Forbes, Shoemoney, & Graywolf on Arbitrage

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Graywolf & Shoemoney just got quoted by Forbes discussing Arbitrage. Decent read. Although the example they give of a false positive is arbitrage to me. I guess they only recognize arbi 1.0 because MarketShareBuilders can be considered arbi 2.0.

Bitten By The Google Spider - Forbes.com
Critics say the new restrictions have missed the mark, punishing people like Kris Jones who run legitimate Web sites. Search engine marketer Michael Gray says Google’s new scoring has led to an uncountable number of “false positives,” particularly for coupon and shopping-review sites like Jones’ MarketShareBuilders. “It’s frustrating,” Gray says, “because you don’t even know why you failed the test.”
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Yeah, it takes balls to call out Google on fucking Forbes.com.

I guess I better learn how to cloak or I'm toast. Anyone wanna disagree with that?
 
I agree on the cloaking part. But I do not think it is everything. I spend some time on DP reading all threads started by Shoemoney. If you read carefully the postings from his very beginning at DP you can gather some interesting stuff about what he is doing and how he is doing it. Of course some stuff changes over time, but he got to where he is today from there.

Chris
 
Regardless of whether or not arbitrage is looked down upon it would be wise for all of us to diversify our income.

But Shoe is right, arbitrage will always exist in some form. Google will never be able to get rid of the arbitrage concept, because quite simply it is how countless businesses make money. Buying low, selling high. The big G will lose if they try.
 
there's been alot of changes lately, it kind of freaks me out. I definately want to start putting money in things outside of the internet
 
andyem said:
Won't cloaking get you banned from adsense?
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from the TOS:

Webmaster Guidelines
In addition to the standards above, AdSense participants are required to adhere to the webmaster guidelines posted at Webmaster Help Center - Webmaster Guidelines. Some relevant items from the guidelines are included below for your reference:
  • Do not load pages with irrelevant or excessive key words.
  • Do not employ cloaking or sneaky redirects.
  • Do not create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially duplicate content.
  • Avoid hidden text or hidden links.
  • Keep the links on a given page to a reasonable number (fewer than 100).
  • Do not participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web as your website may be affected adversely by those links.
 
Avoid hidden text or hidden links.

So I assume that this is acceptable than?


nachoninja said:
from the TOS:

Webmaster Guidelines
In addition to the standards above, AdSense participants are required to adhere to the webmaster guidelines posted at Webmaster Help Center - Webmaster Guidelines. Some relevant items from the guidelines are included below for your reference:
  • Do not load pages with irrelevant or excessive key words.
  • Do not employ cloaking or sneaky redirects.
  • Do not create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially duplicate content.
  • Avoid hidden text or hidden links.
  • Keep the links on a given page to a reasonable number (fewer than 100).
  • Do not participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web as your website may be affected adversely by those links.
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DannyJ said:
nooooo way. they'll drop any big money makers. It's just pennies and dimes to them anyway.
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They will probably warn you, if you are making a buttload.
 
Arbitrageurs know the search engine’s IP addresses, the fingerprints that reveal the source of any Web page visitor. So Schoemaker says he sets his web pages to automatically display legitimate content to the Google spider, while giving other users the ad-filled arbitrage page. Schoemaker says that makes him virtually immune to Google’s quality-regulation measures.
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Can somebody explain how exactly this works?
 
what most people fail to realize is that any business is arbitrage

Everywhere it's buy low, sell high. So should we ban business now? Hah

what really worries me is that google is trying to play god with free market and free speech
it is not transparent, it wants to control free market, it is arbitrary in who it will favor... these are disturbing trends. I hope M$N and yahoo get their shit together and slap google
 
Interesting read, nice post. Seems in order to succeed you are now required to play a little on the dark side, even if you are running a legitimate business (like the one in the article)
 
int_josh said:
what most people fail to realize is that any business is arbitrage

Everywhere it's buy low, sell high. So should we ban business now? Hah

what really worries me is that google is trying to play god with free market and free speech
it is not transparent, it wants to control free market, it is arbitrary in who it will favor... these are disturbing trends. I hope M$N and yahoo get their shit together and slap google
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Couldn't agree more. But ads don't have to be from just search engines. There should be a better way for buyers and sellers to exchange ads then going through a fucking search engine.
 
who the fuck cares? hey if you like the gay Portuguese boys there are 22 of 35 seats left at the shit retreat!
 
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