SEO for new site in health niche? Noobiest. noob. ever.

[thegame888]

Hi

I'm new to the game but I'm highly motivated and I'm going to succeed at this or die trying!

Hopefully you guys can give me a little helping hand and push me in the right direction.

I have created my site for a health niche and it has about 30 pages of content. I know I need to get ranked in the first couple of pages of google permanently if I'm going to have any success.

My plan now is to:

1) submit some articles manually (do all need to be spun?) to some high pr article directories and blogs (Don't how many I need to do to see meaningful results?).

2) Not sure. What should I do next? Looking at the SEO trader forum, there are so many automated options, but from what I can see they aren't really for new sites. Plus my budget is fairly crappy, like $200, so bang for buck is important to me.

And one more thing, if I have a bunch of other domains based around the same niche (I've set them up to redirect to my main site), do I need to do any work with them or should I just focus on the main site?

Get me going, please. :bowdown:

 

[proplayer44]

I'm a noob too but I can tell you are not going to get answers to questions so vague.

You are trying to rank you site in the SERPS right.

Let's start with what keywords you want to rank.

How competitive are they? Use Serpiq ( free version) and use the competition tool for the top 5 keyword phrases and report back on the results.

Let's see the exact match monthly searches and CI.

Have you read all the Stickie pages here yet?

You need to work/ try and fail and then post questions with more details.

The last thing you want to get is the hammer from these guys.

 

[Tobias Funke]

Don't waste too much time on manually submitting articles. Build some web 2,0s, use bookmarking services, and get some high PR links. That's a good start, if you want to have some article linking in the mix use AMR to submit tons of articles at once.

 

[rcriger]

Get Senuke and scrapebox and go to town!

 

[CimmerianSage]

Find high volume low competition keywords for your pages

Put interesting/useful information on the pages, preferably 500+ words per page.

Use a social bookmarking service to blast your keywords.

Something like this will do
http://www.wickedfire.com/links-seo...ks-10-2hrsta-exact-link-report-bulk-urls.html

See how well you rank for your keywords after just that.

If you need more juice, get high PR links, web 2.0's and blast them with SENuke and the like.

Once you get page one and preferably rank one on your keywords and get decent traffic, optimize your page and see what people respond to. See what converts.

That's a really simplistic guideline but it's better than doing nothing.

Good luck. =)

 

[TheTroglodyte]

If you are going to do article submission, you need to spin it and do it in mass or else it's a waste of time. Manually spin too!

 

[TheJoker]

Well, first of all, you need to be sure that your site is well optimised for the keywords you want to rank for. Make sure you have h1h2h3 tags, keywords in the title and a good keyword density ( I always use 1.5 or 2%).

Once that your onsite SEO is good, you can focus on links building. If you're on a small budget, I always recommend to try some fiverr gigs. Try some link pyramids, i had some fairly good result with them in the past. You can order manual bookmark as well, it certainly gives a boost.

I bet the keyword competition is hard, since you're in the medical niche. Its going to be a long battlle to the top. That being said, I wish you the best of luck. Feel free to PM if you need any other advice.

TJ

 

[thegame888]

I'm a noob too but I can tell you are not going to get answers to questions so vague.

You are trying to rank you site in the SERPS right.

Let's start with what keywords you want to rank.

How competitive are they? Use Serpiq ( free version) and use the competition tool for the top 5 keyword phrases and report back on the results.

Let's see the exact match monthly searches and CI.

Have you read all the Stickie pages here yet?

You need to work/ try and fail and then post questions with more details.

The last thing you want to get is the hammer from these guys.

Yes, I'm trying to rank on SERPS.

As you may understand, I don't really feel comfortable revealing the keywords.

I have chosen my niche based on the fact that it's a low comp niche (based on google adwords). That being said, there are quite a few searches on these keywords (approx 100,000) so I guess it's going to be pretty hard, especially this being my first site and it being new.

By the way, I have read the stickies and though there is some really good information there, I'm still finding it hard to decide on what my first steps should be. There seems to be quite a few methods to tackle this, each with it's own merits. I'm just stuck on that first move and don't want to make the mistake of devoting time on one SEO method, only to realise later I focused on the wrong thing. I understand there is a lot of trial and error involved and it's not an exact science, but I want to make this experience as efficient and effective as I can make it.

Don't waste too much time on manually submitting articles. Build some web 2,0s, use bookmarking services, and get some high PR links. That's a good start, if you want to have some article linking in the mix use AMR to submit tons of articles at once.

So I should write some articles based around my keywords and then buy a web 2.0 package from here? Red virus? Which one is good? Also, I keep reading about drip feeds vs blasts. Should I only focus on drip feeds for a new site? :question4:

Get Senuke and scrapebox and go to town!

SeNuke X is $147 p/m and scrapebox is $97. Good first SEO investments? And are they easy to use? :question4:

Find high volume low competition keywords for your pages

Put interesting/useful information on the pages, preferably 500+ words per page.

Use a social bookmarking service to blast your keywords.

Something like this will do
http://www.wickedfire.com/links-seo...ks-10-2hrsta-exact-link-report-bulk-urls.html

See how well you rank for your keywords after just that.

If you need more juice, get high PR links, web 2.0's and blast them with SENuke and the like.

Once you get page one and preferably rank one on your keywords and get decent traffic, optimize your page and see what people respond to. See what converts.

That's a really simplistic guideline but it's better than doing nothing.

Good luck. =)

Awesome info! :thumbsup:

Find high volume low competition keywords for your pages - Check

Put interesting/useful information on the pages, preferably 500+ words per page - Check

The social bookmarking provider you recommended only costs like $20 for 1000 bookmarks. That sounds darn cheap. Is there a catch? Also, should I drip or blast? :question4:

Thanks for your advice.

If you are going to do article submission, you need to spin it and do it in mass or else it's a waste of time. Manually spin too!

I think manually spinning won't be that hard. But how many variations are needed to be effective? :question4:

Well, first of all, you need to be sure that your site is well optimised for the keywords you want to rank for. Make sure you have h1h2h3 tags, keywords in the title and a good keyword density ( I always use 1.5 or 2%).

Once that your onsite SEO is good, you can focus on links building. If you're on a small budget, I always recommend to try some fiverr gigs. Try some link pyramids, i had some fairly good result with them in the past. You can order manual bookmark as well, it certainly gives a boost.

I bet the keyword competition is hard, since you're in the medical niche. Its going to be a long battlle to the top. That being said, I wish you the best of luck. Feel free to PM if you need any other advice.

TJ

Good advice on the site optimisation. Thanks for that.

I know about fiverr, but has anyone had success on there?

Can you please explain what link pyramids are? :question4:

Finally, yes I know I'm in for a uphill battle with my niche, but that doesn't deter me. I'm up for the battle!

Will pm.

Thanks for your help! :thumbsup:

PS Thanks to all for replying to such a major noob! You guys are so cool!

 

[TheJoker]

Good advice on the site optimisation. Thanks for that.

I know about fiverr, but has anyone had success on there?

Can you please explain what link pyramids are? :question4:

Finally, yes I know I'm in for a uphill battle with my niche, but that doesn't deter me. I'm up for the battle!

Will pm.

Thanks for your help! :thumbsup:

PS Thanks to all for replying to such a major noob! You guys are so cool!

Yes Fiverr is good, you wont rank #1 with only 1 or 2 links pyramid, but it will give you some juice.

Link pyramid is basically to blast one of your page with web 2.0 with only 10 to 30 links, and then blast the shit out of your tier 1 with bookmark, web 2.0 and profiles links.

TJ

 

[proplayer44]

Yes, I'm trying to rank on SERPS.

As you may understand, I don't really feel comfortable revealing the keywords.

I have chosen my niche based on the fact that it's a low comp niche (based on google adwords).

Oh I didn't want you to reveal the actual words just the stats.

*******PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE READ THIS******

I made a big error here too which is why I state this.

Competition in google keyword tool is not the competition of websites who are attempting to rank for the keyword. It is the competition of Advertisers that pay google for the click thru. Therefore

** You want the google keyword tool competition to be HIGH not low**

You need to use other tools to see the competition of websites attempting to rank for the keyword. I have found the easiest is to use the free version of Serp IQ (competitive analysis) You want to see a low CI in SerpIQ.

Thanks to member Optimus I'm now on the right track in this regard.

 

[thegame888]

Oh I didn't want you to reveal the actual words just the stats.

*******PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE READ THIS******

I made a big error here too which is why I state this.

Competition in google keyword tool is not the competition of websites who are attempting to rank for the keyword. It is the competition of Advertisers that pay google for the click thru. Therefore

** You want the google keyword tool competition to be HIGH not low**

You need to use other tools to see the competition of websites attempting to rank for the keyword. I have found the easiest is to use the free version of Serp IQ (competitive analysis) You want to see a low CI in SerpIQ.

Thanks to member Optimus I'm now on the right track in this regard.

This is good advice and I'm using SerpIQ as of 5 mins ago to check competition. Low CI = low competition keyword right?

Re google adwords, I imagine this is more important for those who want to display google adsense ads on their site so they can get more advertisers and earn more per click?

 

[proplayer44]

Yes and yes

 

[Tobias Funke]

So I should write some articles based around my keywords and then buy a web 2.0 package from here? Red virus? Which one is good? Also, I keep reading about drip feeds vs blasts. Should I only focus on drip feeds for a new site?

I haven't personally used any of the web 2.0 packages here, I do them manually.

SeNuke X is $147 p/m and scrapebox is $97. Good first SEO investments? And are they easy to use?

You can get Scrapebox for $57

 

[Mightier]

This is good advice and I'm using SerpIQ as of 5 mins ago to check competition. Low CI = low competition keyword right? Re google adwords, I imagine this is more important for those who want to display google adsense ads on their site so they can get more advertisers and earn more per click?

You're missing an important distinction.

Services like Market Samurai and SerpIQ can give you a rough idea of how hard it is to rank a site for a given keyword. They won't tell you, however, how much money you're going to make from ranking #1 for that keyword. Certain keywords are going to be much more strongly associated with buying (or clicking ads, or taking ANY action). For example, think about the difference between "buy blue widget" and "blue widget information."

In most cases, the searchers for search #1 are in buying mode: they're looking for a place to make a purchase whereas searchers for #2 are still gathering information. The traffic on #1 is going to be much easier to make money from than #2 because all you have to do is give the first set of people a place to buy.

CPC is and adwords competition is a decent approximation of commercial intent. If there are advertisements for a given keyword, it's likely that someone is making money from it, which means that the traffic can likely be monetized. That's not to say that monetizing traffic from non-buying keywords is impossible, but it's just a lot harder.

 

[Tobias Funke]

Spinner Chief is a pretty good spinner and it's free, look it up.

 

[Mightier]

By the way, I have read the stickies and though there is some really good information there, I'm still finding it hard to decide on what my first steps should be. There seems to be quite a few methods to tackle this, each with it's own merits. I'm just stuck on that first move and don't want to make the mistake of devoting time on one SEO method, only to realise later I focused on the wrong thing.

Do you understand basic linking strategies? If yes, stop reading and start doing.

I understand there is a lot of trial and error involved and it's not an exact science, but I want to make this experience as efficient and effective as I can make it.

You aren't going to make it effective nor are you going to make it efficient your first time around, so get it out of your mind that reading more will give you more clarity.

I wrote this somewhere else today, but the absolute worst outcome is that your site gets permanently deindexed from Google. For that to happen, you'd have to do something pretty stupid, but even if you do, that's the WORST thing that happens.

Be detached from your site and the outcome and realize that SEO isn't about picking "the most efficient" or the "best" method. Despite what the BST forum will try and convince you of, there is no "right" way to do it, only ways to do it that produce results or don't produce results and the more stuff you try, the more you'll learn about what produces results and what doesn't.

So I should write some articles based around my keywords and then buy a web 2.0 package from here? Red virus? Which one is good? Also, I keep reading about drip feeds vs blasts. Should I only focus on drip feeds for a new site?

There are a lot of theories on link building and with a little searching you can dig up some of them. My advice would be to use as few services as possible at first. Not only will it save you money, but it'll give you a better idea of what you're actually doing when you buy "TEH AWWWWWESOME LINKWHEELZ OF DOOM." That being said, there are certain things that you should just rely on other people for, especially things that are pricey or resource-intensive (like setting up and maintaining X-Rumer).

SeNuke X is $147 p/m and scrapebox is $97. Good first SEO investments? And are they easy to use?

SeNuke is a really powerful tool, but it's only as good as the user. In my opinion, it's overkill by a mile for someone just starting off.

ScrapeBox is powerful, but it isn't easy to use well and can be confusing for people just starting off. If you're willing to put some time into understanding what it can / can't do and how it works, it is a great investment. Again though, you don't NEEED it to be successful.

The social bookmarking provider you recommended only costs like $20 for 1000 bookmarks. That sounds darn cheap. Is there a catch? Also, should I drip or blast?

What you pay is what you get, but the cheap stuff has its uses. As for the drip or blast question, honestly, that's one you need to answer on your own.

I think manually spinning won't be that hard. But how many variations are needed to be effective?

Let me google that for you

I know about fiverr, but has anyone had success on there?

Fiverr can be really useful, but, again, you gotta have an idea of what you need to get results.

Can you please explain what link pyramids are?

Someone gave you a rough idea, but just google it. You'll figure it out.

Nobody is going to gift-wrap you the #1 spot on any search term. Don't believe for an instant that someone suddenly has the secret to Google, especially if they want you to pay for it. I don't mean to be a dick with the answers above, but ALL of those questions have been answered a million times.

Finally, yes I know I'm in for a uphill battle with my niche, but that doesn't deter me. I'm up for the battle!

Picking a competitive niche to start with can be discouraging, but good luck.

 

[aim100]

1.
make web2.0s yourself. write 4 articles, spin them using spinner cheif [free] and make 10 version from 1 article...
2.
do some article marketing.
3.
buy 2k bookmarks for $35 from any provider.
4.
go to 10bucksseo named thread and buy his wikis.
5.
buy ALN posts from any provider, say him to distribute your posts over a week atleast.
that is what, can be done with a budget of $200 and with few hour of yours.
you should get good results with that, if you do things properly.