Sitescout RTB >> Most expensive traffic ever?

sumohax0r

what that be like?
Nov 1, 2009
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has anyone else here tried sitescout RTB? I've tested about $500 now with ads I know have 0.80% CTR and Higher with very similar niche sites and have never been able to achieve above 0.02% CTRs,

3 Sample tests, each getting at least 50k impressions.

Every single clicks is $2.00+ when I'm getting the same traffic for much much much cheaper elsewhere.

Are they ripping me off or is the platform wack?



// scratching head in confusion of such epic fail //
 


Off late, its becoming super expensive. I could only profit on 1 campaign out of the 6 i tested. The issue is you have to bid the highest to win impressions so in a bidding war, its only going to cost you more and more while everyone is struggling to make profits.
 
Probably people from DP flooded it, right after Leadbolt post a tutorial how to get traffic there
 
Consider this

Sitescout buys across the 3 largest supply-side platforms in the industry - Rubicon, Pubmatic, and Admeld. All 3 are focused on yield optimization for publishers. Pretty much every DSP, ad exchange, and network in the world can readily access their inventory by just contacting any of them.

What you end up with is 10-20 different folks competing alongside you for the same impression and a handful of these competitors are often brands. So the first problem is that you're being outbid on the lion's share of the remnant traffic sent by publishers through the SSPs.

The second problem is that you'll have to pay more for the margin every intermediate player makes on each impression. Let's count all the intermediates to find the possible total markup:

1) Pubmatic/Rubicon/Admeld
2) Sitescout
3) data aggregators/platforms (if behaviorally targeting)

Not the most efficient way to buy media. In most circumstance this should be offset by the ability to target audiences using segments from many different data providers in a DSP, but you're buying untargeted traffic at the moment.

In which case, then, I strongly recommend buying directly on those publishers.


*Note

MistorToker was formerly a DSP/ad exchange/horizontal ad network marketer. Now, all of his media spend is on behavioral networks or directly with publishers.
 
@sumohax0r

The platform is certainly not to blame, and ripping off advertisers would be simply short-sighted. I assure you that is not the case.

As to why your campaign failed, there are too many variables for anyone other than your account rep to give you meaningful advice. Contact Steve (stevem@sitescout.com) or John (johnb@sitescout.com)

Ask them about URL targeting. If your campaign was run in the last week, it will have stored performance logs on the backend. Admins have the ability to run detailed reports about where your conversions occured and target only those URLs - assuming there were any conversions. There must also be a good reason for that poor CTR, which is far below average. There are people getting penny clicks with 1-3% CTRs on some placements.

We are also integrating with a couple of data providers to allow both demographic and contextual targeting across the entire reach of the network, which should help everyones CTR and conversion rate.

@MistorToker

For the most part you are right. The RTB exchanges (Admeld/Rubicon/Pubmatic) operate on a rev-share model with the publishers, so there is no margin there, just a mutual incentive for them to yield the highest CPMs possible.

As for DSPs, the margins are so small compared to the infrastructure/bandwidth costs associated with running a DSP that it's effectively a loss leader without massive volume. You could consider the margin as essentially the cost of ad serving.

3rd party data provider costs are usually just passed on to advertisers, if and when they choose to use them.

But there are pros and cons to both approaches.

Media buying via RTB...

Pros:
- Lower barrier of entry for advertisers in terms of minimum $ commitment
- Maximum reach across all exchanges
- Integration with targeting data (audience, demographic, contextual, etc.)
- Real-time stats and bidding + all the bells and whistles each DSP brings to their platform

Cons:
- Auction process breeds competition
- Non-guaranteed traffic
- Typically higher session depths (remnant in most cases)
- Strict ad review process and central blocklists in place

Media buying via direct buys...

Pros:
- Guaranteed traffic (impressions)
- Typically lower session depths (resulting in higher CTRs)
- Full control over ad units (using an ad server)
- More flexibility with respect to allowed verticals/ads

Cons:
- Higher barrier of entry for advertisers in terms of minimum $ commitment (IO + 3rd party ad server costs)
- Lack of real-time control over the publisher's traffic
- Lack of integration with 3rd party data providers
- Higher fixed CPMs (you pay for 'premium' inventory)
- Traditional process that requires negotiation, Insertion Order, etc.
- Many publishers are reluctant to deal with affiliates or non-branded advertisers

Even though they are not mutually exclusive, which approach people take depends on their experience and the size of their testing budget.
 
Wow wait a minute....

i feel like a DP member asking this but what does

- RTB ( .... traffic broker?)
- DSP
- SSP
and yield optimization means?

:$
 
@sumohax0r


Ask them about URL targeting. If your campaign was run in the last week, it will have stored performance logs on the backend. Admins have the ability to run detailed reports about where your conversions occured and target only those URLs - assuming there were any conversions. There must also be a good reason for that poor CTR, which is far below average. There are people getting penny clicks with 1-3% CTRs on some placements.

Are you saying that there is an additional layer of specific URL targeting available for a given domain or site ?

Thanks for the detailed info.
 
Are you saying that there is an additional layer of specific URL targeting available for a given domain or site ?

Thanks for the detailed info.

Yes, but right now it can only be added to campaigns by account reps. However, it should be a self-serve feature in the near future.

The platform is logging detailed performance data for all active campaigns. For advertisers that request it, and only for campaigns with a reasonable amount of conversions, we can pull reports on where the conversions occurred and create a new campaign targeting only those profitable URLs.
 
I haven't really heard of this place and from what ive seen on the website it seems like pulse360 with a ppv bidding style without the top 3 bidding. Is that basically what it is? With the ability to buy image placements instead of pulse360 text with a little image on the side?
 
SiteScout RTB=Cheap, easy platform to get started media buying. Should be able to get cheap clicks if you know what you're doing..
 
Yeah if you buy direct on one of the DSP's like Rubicon you can Freq cap + url target. Say you want pagerage traffic you can run 1,2,3.. ads per day per url source.

The adserver we have you can actually buy with freq capping at multiple granular levels. Campaign level would mean for the whole site, per placement on that site, or per ad which means can show each ad 1 time per placement for example. Gives you much more control to test.

Be careful what you're buying. You never know how many times people are refreshing or how many ads they're showing to a single user per day. For example if you buy our toolbar display traffic we show users around 80 display ads a day. So if you buy up a ton of impressions with no frequency capping the same user might buy up 80 of your impressions. If you're running the same ad with no freq cap that would just be a waste of money. However you might want to test a bunch of different ads or placements that may seem like they have legs for you.

So with that said always be sure what you're buying. Try and get close to the source if you can because most of the time you're going to have more control.

DSP's are great because they typically work with sites directly, give you some nice abilities, take relatively low margins for the industry, make it so you don't have to run your own adserver, can start with relitvely low $ amount.

Only issue is some are hard as hell to get into. Especially Rubicon, they really just don't want to deal with anyone that's not going to spend a ton and need next to 0 support. In other words selling to other networks/exchanges. Something like sitescount is a great way to start with Rubicon for relatively low $ with a lot of support. Once you find some stuff that works lease and adnetwork platform of some sort and buy direct on the DSP's yourself.
 
has anyone else here tried sitescout RTB? I've tested about $500 now with ads I know have 0.80% CTR and Higher with very similar niche sites and have never been able to achieve above 0.02% CTRs,

3 Sample tests, each getting at least 50k impressions.

Every single clicks is $2.00+ when I'm getting the same traffic for much much much cheaper elsewhere.

Are they ripping me off or is the platform wack?



// scratching head in confusion of such epic fail //


i tried. Very expensive and not converting. May its my niche. Not too sure.