Stupid Frames and Issues

[jonathan501]

I'm redoing a site, an online radio station, and it dawned on me that the player with navigation is going have to be loaded in a frame at the top of the page or the the station will reload on every click. I was adding Joomla to manage the content.

Then I got PISSED because that fucking frame ruins a lot of internal SEO content ideas because in order to keep the unframed pages from being indexed I'm go to have to tell the robots to not crawl index.php since it will be loaded into index.html. The whole point is to drive traffic to the site to hear the station and buy products....wouldn't this be ruined because you really couldn't deep crawl the site if the address is always the same?

As I typed this, I thought maybe redesign the site with the station on the bottom frame....

Anyone have experience with this or had to deal with it? Am I correct in the SE indexing issue assumptions?

 

[kblessinggr]

I had this sort of issue before. Except I fixed it with iframes.

Greater Community Christian Fellowship

There's a very thin iframe at the top of the site, that contains within a flash music player. The controls below in the site's header are just javascript buttons, but the flash player can be controled by javascript. Thus allowing player controls in the visible frame, but not reloading the music every time someone navigates in the frame below. Course this means without the help of javascript, the address bar also remains the same (which depending on your browser can have an effect on the back/forward button).

 

[jonathan501]

Love the site! I'm a Gospel fan too. Been doing things in that industry for awhile.

You have the same problem too though. I googled the church and see the backlinks but no internal links.

Pulled a stripped page
GCCF

If you Google: gccfchurch.com about
#2 is an internal link and if you click it, you have no radio
http://www.gccfchurch.com/site/index.php?page=about

Do you do a lot of church sites?

I've been thinking that the solution of flipping the radio to the bottom frame would solve the issue but I would still have the issue because the page wasn't loaded from index.html.

 

[kblessinggr]

Love the site! I'm a Gospel fan too. Been doing things in that industry for awhile.

I kind of got sick of that work, most of the pastors milk you for rich work but pay so little (and then try to lay the guilt trip on thick). You wouldn't believe how cheap they got that bible search for that I did from scratch as well as converting 10 versions of the bible into a mysql database ( course the code for it was written by me several years prior before It got an overhaul for that site in the ajax fashion)

You have the same problem too though. I googled the church and see the backlinks but no internal links.

Pulled a stripped page
GCCF

If you Google: gccfchurch.com about
#2 is an internal link and if you click it, you have no radio
http://www.gccfchurch.com/site/index.php?page=about

yea that was to be expected, the only other way to do it would be to check for frames, and then force the user back to the home site if not in one. The pastors were more worried about aesthetics and so forth than SEO optimization (and the transparent pngs without the fixes wouldn't work on IE6, course that can be fixed now, but I no longer work with them).

Do you do a lot of church sites?

Not as much anymore, I mainly dealt with a lot of churches thru a local designer I was working with. But I'm not much for loud vocal praying and such at the beginning of every business meeting, and then being penny pinched for my work.

I've been thinking that the solution of flipping the radio to the bottom frame would solve the issue but I would still have the issue because the page wasn't loaded from index.html.

Personally I get annoyed by music immediately playing when I visit a site. I'd rather have the music off, with the option for the user to turn it on if they wish, and ideally a popup would work best, you get continuos music that way, plus google doesn't give you frame hell. (though there are meta tags to help)

 

[jonathan501]

HA HA! Yeah you have to get paid up front or make sure it's cash upon completion. Pastors are the worst!

I hate music blare'n at you too. That's what made me hate myspace, I want to hear music and sounds when I want to, not when I am searching around.

Ok I shot my theory up a frame can't be used at all. So how do I create a permanent piece on a webpage that lives past refresh.......Short of an applet or something....I don't know if there is a way.