n00bie Challenge - WickedFire - Affiliate Marketing Forum

SEO_Mike · 10-18-2007, 08:10 PM

We all started somewhere, and sometimes it takes a challenge to really get the blood flowing. So, I'm throwing down the guantlet, and challenging you n00bs to make some money.

A couple posts got me thinking about this. Check out:

The first post talks about making money with RSS scraping and auto blogging. Bam Bam is making about $8 per day with one of his auto blogs in his first month. Awesome! He took an idea that he found here and ran with it instead of sitting around doing nothing.

The second is from Eli's BlueHatSEO site. Eli lays out the initial framework and mindset for building your own SEO empire. If you don't already read BlueHatSEO, you need to. Take some time off from WickedFire and read his blog.

The goal of my challenge is:

Help you make money
Get you off of your ass and doing something
Teach you that persistence pays off

The toughest part of Internet Marketing is just doing something. I remember when I started, it took me 6 months of reading and thinking before I got the guts to try something. That's stupid. Once I started doing something, things started to pick up and I started making money. Now, I'm not Mr. Baller here, but I'm working on it. When I'm making 6 figures per month, then I'll be happy.

Here's the rules: you have to build sites, blogs, do ppc, anything. The guy with the most revenue / profit after 60 days wins. Simple.

What do you win? Self esteem, bragging rights, the money you make, skillz that you can expand on to make more money, and possibly something from WickedFire (I have to run that by the powers-that-be first).

I'm going to participate in this as well using a Wordpress mU setup. This is something I haven't tested, and now seems like the perfect time. Something I'll also do for you is post the links, niches, etc that I use. I don't expect you to do the same, but I'm going to. I think it will be a great way to get things started and if you get stumped, you can just steal one of my ideas

Good luck to everyone! Can't wait to see what shapes up!

turbolapp · 10-18-2007, 08:33 PM

Alright I guess this means I have to finish trying to figure out wordpress. I managed to get it installed the other day and then the freakin themes had me yelling obscenities at the computer and haven't peeked at it since.

Nomara · 10-18-2007, 08:46 PM

Alright, I'm in. I'm going to try a variety of projects, but I'll be keeping track of my autoblogging project here.

My plan for today is to finish writing the autoblogger I wrote. Tomorrow, I will set up two domains each with 5 autoblogs (on subdomains). Each autoblog will have a different niche.

I'll use Eli's QUIT tool to try and get indexed quickly. I'll try and build links by using Eli's RSS trick and by doing some manual link dropping. Maybe I'll try my hand at building throw-away blogs on Blogger.com and Wordpress.com and using those to link to my autoblogs as well. I just need to figure out the best way to attack it and automate it.

I'll start by just using AdSense, but I might add in other ads or affiliate links. My goal is to be making 50 cents a day per autoblog. I think it should be doable and I will hopefully have everything so automated that I can ramp up to several hundred autoblogs in no time flat, at which point the autoblogs would be making decent money and would also be able to provide my other projects with backlinks.

Let me know if you see any big flaws in my plan and if you have any niche suggestions for autoblog topics (although I could probably pick some out of a hat). It will be interesting to see how quickly (or slowly or if at all) my autoblogs ramp up in traffic.

whynot · 10-18-2007, 08:48 PM

Yep, I'm a noob here... been lurking for a couple of weeks and you people are just so fuckin funny. Well done Mike for setting up this challenge, I'm ready to go...

I'm going over to the links you suggest but can you please explain a little more about wordpress mu and what you'll be doing with it.

SEO_Mike · 10-18-2007, 08:51 PM

If you're having problems Lauren, PM me and I'll see what I can do to help.

Okay, here's my main page for the Wordpress mU site:
Welcome to X7G.net

It actually lists all of the blogs. I just went through and created all of those under the admin account. Don't bother trying to sign up for your own blog there unless you have an email address that is about 20 characters long and matches the bullshit one that I put in the admin panel for signups

If you need a free blog account, check out Blogger.com, Wordpress.com, or one of the thousands of others out there.

The blogs I just set up are off the top of my head or ideas taken from various sources. SearchEngineWatch has a good list of sites to get ideas from. Just for your info, my list is not necessarily even a good one, just shit I threw at the wall for now. I may throw some out, add others, etc. My personal goal for those sites is to have them skinned and some content on them by the middle of next week.

I'm going to be using Adsense primarily for these blogs, and some targetted CPA ads (mostly from Copeac, of course). The site is setup on a LiquidWeb VPS account, so I should have plenty of room to grow.

SEO_Mike · 10-18-2007, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whynot

I'm going over to the links you suggest but can you please explain a little more about wordpress mu and what you'll be doing with it.

Welcome to WickedFire!

Wordpress mU is a multi-user setup of WP. It allows you to create new blogs under one primary domain. It will setup the new blogs under a subdomain, or subdirectory. The biggest drawback to it is the setup. I couldn't figure out how to allow WPMU to do automatic subdomains, so I had to contact LiquidWeb to set it up for me. No big deal really, but still annoying.

If you can't get WPMU set up, don't worry, this is just how I'm doing it. If you're more comfortable building static sites: Great! That will work also. Check out OSWD for a bunch of free templates.

If you are more technical, you can try setting up some YACG or RSSGM sites. Whatever gets you going.

SEO_Mike · 10-18-2007, 08:59 PM

Nomara - sounds like a solid plan! Keep us updated and don't be afraid to ask questions

argh01 · 10-18-2007, 09:05 PM

I'll take that challenge too.

I'm not sure what I'll be doing but it won't be the yogareflection.com site you saw from the n00bie thread (since I've already started it, I had a head start). I'll find something new and use it for your challenge.

I'm starting from a goose egg too, with regards to affiliate ads. My daily average for adsense is, uh twenty cents or so.

turbolapp · 10-18-2007, 09:20 PM

Mike, How about if you make this idea/challange one of your blogs? You can blog about your journey with WordpressMU and helping lead the n00bs along the way. That way we can spare this thread getting too big, and also we can see what you're doing in real time, and make comments and post questions there?

Just a thought.

This is good timing and gives me just the push I needed.

shinysign · 10-18-2007, 10:05 PM

Hello, I am a newbie as well.

This is a good post. I am not sure which approach to take, here is the other approach from an earlier post when someone was asking what to do with 80 dollars:

"My final suggestion, do what Smaxor said- or hang on to your money and read your ass off for now, cuz you don't have a clue what you're doing and you will just lose it and give up."

So I don't know which is better, read for a while and learn or just jump in and start messing with things. Both have their advantages.

Advantage of not doing anything for a while is you don't lose needless money that you could of kept if you knew what you were doing. Of course you don't make money either. Advantage of doing something is you could make money, but also you could lose it and get frustrated.

Which do you think is the better approach?

Supergeek · 10-18-2007, 10:11 PM

Since I've gotten my custom site "finished" for the most part, now I can start pushing out the money makers. I'm game for this challenge.

I have no problem with the technical side... Marketing is my Achilles' Heel.

MyOwnDemon · 10-18-2007, 10:26 PM

egonitron · 10-18-2007, 10:38 PM

Mike, you're awesome

I'm having the same problem. I keep reading around all day but I don't end up actually doing anything. I was going to start by setting up each blog on it's own domain, would you recommend saving money and putting then all on sub-domains even if they're different subjects?

bubbles · 10-18-2007, 10:45 PM

I'll join in. I've got a video blog I started but never took anywhere. We'll see how it goes.

SEO_Mike · 10-18-2007, 11:08 PM

Awesome! Great to see so much participation so early in the game!

Looks like I need to clarify a few things:

How you build your sites / landing pages is unimportant. I'm using WPMU, but that doesn't mean you have to. I may even do some static sites for shits and giggles.
Reading and learning is great, but your learning will accelerate like crazy by doing. So, IMO, it's best to jump in with both feet.
If you are uncomfortable with scripts like WP, but have some basic HTML knowledge, build a static site and go from there. If you need help installing Wordpress or another script, ask for help. If I can't help, then there is probably someone else that can.

Turbolapp asked me via PM what the next step is after getting Wordpress installed. Well, let's start by pointing people to this thread for the definitive answer. I'll provide the short answer.

After I get Wordpress installed, I'll upload several different themes and plugins. Once I get the themes and plugins uploaded, I'll go about setting all the options I want and turning on the plugins.

This is the list of options I change / edit:

Under Options, I edit the tagline, blog address (if needed), membership and what day of the week to start on. WP defaults to Monday, I like it to start on Sunday. Then hit "Update" to save.

Next, I go to the Writing tab and add some additional sites to ping under Update Services. This is the list I currently use:

Code:

http://rpc.pingomatic.com
http://www.blogpeople.net/servlet/weblogUpdates
http://bulkfeeds.net/rpc
http://ping.myblog.jp
http://ping.bitacoras.com
http://ping.bloggers.jp/rpc/
http://bblog.com/ping.php

Moving along, I go to the Reading tab, and change the Syndication Feeds to 10 and "Use Summary". I do this so that if someone uses my RSS feed for their own splog, they won't get the whole article. This will only work if you use the "More" button when writing your posts. For my splogs, I don't bother with this setting.
Under Discussion, I uncheck the email notification stuff (I get enough crap in my mailbox) and check the box for "Administrator must always approve a comment" This controls spam.
Skip Privacy
For Permalinks I use
Code:
```
/%category%/%postname%/
```
That way my URLs show up as
Code:
```
http://www.my-blog.tld/category/post-name
```
This is for SEO reasons. Not a big deal, but every little bit helps.
Skip Misc
Done

I like using Wordpress because: a) I'm used to it and can set it up very quickly. b) It's very widely supported. c) See a.

If you plan on building static sites, that's fine, just don't forget to ping the aggregators occasionally. This will tell them that your site / page has fresh content and hopefully draw the spiders (Search Engine spiders that is).

Umm...time for a cigarette...I'll add more later

SEO_Mike · 10-18-2007, 11:19 PM

Meant to add: The goal of the sites is to make money. Period. So don't get too attached to one site / one idea. Diversify. This is about numbers and doing something.

Momentum brings momentum. In other words, a rock rolling downhill only picks up speed, it doesn't slow down. If you are just sitting on your ass reading WickedFire and not spending any time working on sites, then you'll notice that your revenue starts dropping. But if you pile a heap of shit on your plate and just dig in, you'll see your revenue go up and your forum reading go down.

Plus as an added benefit, you're knowledge of what works and what doesn't will increase exponentially. The information you get on WickedFire is all theory and hearsay until you put it into practice. Once you start working it, you'll see what really works for you and what doesn't. The only way to get that knowledge is to do the work. You can't learn that any other way. Period.

/end one thought/

Another thing I meant to address was cost. I'm going to be doing this as cheaply as possible. I don't want to spend any money if possible. That's one reason I'm using WPMU. I'm not going to spend any money on PPC at all, I'm not going to buy banner ads or links, I'm not going to buy content. This should all be about getting dirty and doing the labor yourself.

If you are a TOTAL n00b to internet marketing and need hosting, domain name, etc, you can figure you'll spend about $20 to get started. $9.95 at Hostgator (or somewhere else) for hosting on a shared server, and about $7 - 10 for a domain (Use GB3 at GoDaddy and get .com's for $6.95). If you can't afford $20, then donate some plasma. They'll pay you at least $20.

Finally, if that doesn't convince to get something started, contact me. I'll be happy to get out the bullwhip and kick your ass.

snapcount · 10-19-2007, 02:12 AM

I want to get in on this. Right now I feel like I've been throwing shit at a wall and watching it slide down all the while praying something will stick. So far, nothing is really sticking. I've also been trying to think of a way to contribute to this forum when I don't know what the fuck I'm doing so perhaps I can learn and help someone else at the same time.

This is what I've got so far and my plan. In all fairness I started about 2 months ago but I am in the red so in my eyes I have to make up the loss ( ~$800 ) just to catch up with everyone who started yesterday at $0. Also, this is a really long post so sorry.

The Plan:

1 - I'm running email and zip submits (non-incentivised) from Copeac for 4 days now. Current strategy with this is voting pages. Two of these are direct from ad to offer via an instant redirect. The other three are ad -> my vote page -> offer. I have everything running from a CMS/App framework so I can put these up very quickly which is nice. I have my affiliate links cloaked... I think. The link posts to my site which does a redirect to the offer with my aff id... I figure more people will click if they don't realize they are about to leave the site and it may help a bit with SEO.

This is currently a looser overall. It's been running PPC from 7search.

Stats - 408 clicks @ $43.44 (0.11/AvgCPC), CTR - 162 (Vote -> Offer), Conv - 6 @ $8 (Entered email or zip), Net loss -$35.34

I tried running these with AW and the fuckers wouldn't start running the ads for 2 days and then they would jump in CPC drastically w/i a few hours. I did my best to optimize the pages (meta-tags, relevant content, privacy & contact pages, friendly urls with keywords in them and keywords in title)

With this I'm going to let it ride for a while as I'm guessing I haven't had enough traffic to really know if it will do well. Extremely open to suggestions on how not to suck.

2 - I implemented the Black Hole SEO idea from Eli's blog. I started with RudeDoggs software which worked great but I wanted something I could run from my server instead of my home PC with windows. I also wanted some diff features so I rolled my own with MySQL/Perl/Crontabs.

For this month it's made 2.5GB of rss files and consumed ~ 20GB bandwidth and generated ~ 2.5 million fake posts. I'm targeting 5 backlinks, 2 -> index pages, 3 -> deeplinks.

The two sites it's trying to get backlinks for are affiliate based sites (CJ offers)... content heavy to the niche. It's been running for about 1.5 months and I show 60 backlinks that I can attribute to fake posts in Yahoo and 0 in Google. The sites are ranking in the top 100 results on Google for several of my keywords though which is good.

I don't pay for any advertising for these sites and threw adwords up. Adwords has made like $3 though. I get about 40 uniques a day on each one. I also paid Kamesh to directory submissions for me for 1000 deeplinks and 1000 regular links. About 15 of those show up in Yahoo and 0 in Google after about 2 months.

Overall I'm about $300 in the red from buying the software from RudeDogg initially and paying for dir submissions. My plan here is to give the backlinks time to get indexed and drive traffic organically. If I can get traffic I will focus on getting the aff offers to convert. Hopefully adsense will continue to throw a few dollars in every once in a while. This is a longer term investment.

3 - I read the SEO Empire post from ELI. I auto-generated two db sites and can do them in about 4-5 hours now. The first one has ~ 23K pages the other has ~6K. I used Eli's QUIT tool on them and now have about 40 pages indexed by Google between the two sites. I put them up like 2 weeks ago. I have adsense on every page but neither of them have made any money yet.

Plan is to build more of these... I have 4 or 5 more content databases and have got my autogen script to where I can modify it pretty quickly for this type of site. I'm going to add links to each of these pages to the sites I spoke of in #2 above to help with SERPs.

That's all. Sorry for writing a fucking novel. If anybody has any questions about what I've done I'd be happy to answer them. If anything stands out as a classic newb mistake I'd appreciate the input... I've tried some other techniques as well but they failed too so I've decided to focus on the ones listed here.

egonitron · 10-19-2007, 02:20 AM

Wow dude, no clue what's wrong here. I'm interested in hearing Mike's (or another seasoned member's) response on this.

Notius · 10-19-2007, 03:30 AM

I will take this challenge. I have been all over this forum over the last couple of weeks trying to soak in the insane amount of actual information. You guys are fucking great!

I say actual information because most of the other sites I have found have been more about selling shit then teaching. So here is a big

to you SEO_Mike and everyone else here that don't fuck around (Unless it is funny

).

I am not sure what my strategy will be yet. I will go through the links you have provided and figure out my niches and strats over the next couple of days and some sites up by the end of the first week.

emp · 10-19-2007, 04:04 AM

Quote:

1 - I'm running email and zip submits (non-incentivised) from copeac for 4 days now. Current strategy with this is voting pages. Two of these are direct from ad to offer via an instant redirect. The other three are ad -> my vote page -> offer. I have everything running from a CMS/App framework so I can put these up very quickly which is nice. I have my affiliate links cloaked... I think. The link posts to my site which does a redirect to the offer with my aff id... I figure more people will click if they don't realize they are about to leave the site and it may help a bit with SEO.

This is currently a looser overall. It's been running PPC from 7search.

Stats - 408 clicks @ $43.44 (0.11/AvgCPC),
CTR - 162 (Vote -> Offer)
Conv - 6
Earnings - $8 (Entered email or zip)
Net loss - $35.34

(emphasis mine)

OK, you are paying 11 cents per click? You need to get your numbers straight.

This is why elementary school math is important kiddos.

at 400 clicks getting you 6 conversion and 8$ (yes, I am ignoring the 408, easier to calculate)

so 400 = 800 cents
1= 800/400
1 = 2

You can only break even when you spend 2cents per click.

I would say that campaign is fucked.

CTR seems ok.
Adjust your site to look more like the merchant page.
Maybe change the offer. (Who is looking at this, what are they interested in?)

::emp::

emp · 10-19-2007, 04:12 AM

Oh, and Mike... GREAT idea. I know you will follow through with this.
I'll check this thread regularly and try to help where I can.

Undecided noobs, join now!!
You have the attention of at least 2 WF mods trying their best to help you.

::emp::

SEO_Mike · 10-19-2007, 04:19 AM

Snapcount - read this thread if you haven't already:

Lot's of good stuff there, if your campaign is just a slow bleed and you're losing money, shut it off. Try something else. I've had good luck with an auto warranty campaign. Not an email / zip submit. Personally, I was never good with email / zips and PPC, but that's just me.

# 2. Remember that the blackhole SEO is more about links and less about traffic. Don't expect to get rich from it in the short run, it more about the marathon.

# 3. DB sites are another thing that are great for inbound links, some money, but more about the links they can garner.

Take a look at his post again and pay attention to the Cycle Sites. I missed that the first 6 times I read it, so don't feel bad. Eli is even nice enough - nice enough, hell Eli's my hero - to provide you with a copy of his modified WP script.

I just set one of these sites up tonight on a different domain that I had lying around. Within 10 minutes there were 1700+ posts, now there are 2500+. Crazy shit.

Here's the site (told you I'd keep this transparent):

Code:

http://arizonamlslistings.com

SEO_Mike · 10-19-2007, 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emp

Oh, and Mike... GREAT idea. I know you will follow through with this.
I'll check this thread regularly and try to help where I can.

Undecided noobs, join now!!
You have the attention of at least 2 WF mods trying their best to help you.

::emp::

Awesome Emp! Glad to have you here!

egonitron · 10-19-2007, 04:22 AM

Mike, I set up one cycle site so far (have to do it manually for now, don't have a script to auto-configure) but I spent a ton of time gathering related feeds for it. Am I missing something? So far I've seen very little traffic (but some) so I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong here?

JamesH · 10-19-2007, 07:08 AM

I'm fucking down. However I've had a bad start so far. Oh by the way is this starting now?

argh01 · 10-19-2007, 09:46 AM

It's always starting now, pal, getcher ass off the forums and into the work!

turbolapp · 10-19-2007, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by egonitron

Mike, I set up one cycle site so far (have to do it manually for now, don't have a script to auto-configure) but I spent a ton of time gathering related feeds for it. Am I missing something? So far I've seen very little traffic (but some) so I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong here?

Me too, Mike. I feel like there was a huge jump in the thread that I missed. I'm sure it has something to do with the methods in bluehat that you are implementing but you went from your wordpressmu Welcome to X7G.net site which I was totally following along with. And this morning I read this thread and you're saying you did Arizona Real Estate Blog "Within 10 minutes there were 1700+ posts, now there are 2500+" ( AWESOME, btw) But keeping within n00b fashion, I got lost somewhere along the way.

I'm going to spend the morning studying back through all the wordpress threads and look back at Bluehat (yet once again. Maybe this time I'll get it all

)

SEO_Mike · 10-19-2007, 11:49 AM

Sorry about that. I tend to do many things at once. I'm still setting up the blogs in the WPMU, and actually that was what led me to the Cycle Sites that Eli describes. I was drawing a complete blank last night and IM'd Eli to ask if he knew of a WP plugin for autoblogging. He replied that I should go back to his SEO Empire post and there was one there.

Soooo...like a good little n00b. I did. Found the script, installed it, plugged in about 1000 feeds and let 'er rip.

Now that I have his WP install, I'm going to see if I can adapt part of it to work with WPMU and automate my those blogs.

For some of you this may be too advanced. That's okay. You don't have to do things exactly like I'm doing it. Trying to keep up with my crazy mind is a challenge anyhow.

So, lets slow it down a bit. Yeah, we all want to make a ton of money in the time frame of this challenge. That would be a blast. Realistically, you probably won't make a ton of money, but you will lay down the foundation of hard work, site-building knowledge, how to monetize a site, etc. Plus, you'll have a small (maybe bigger) network of sites slowly pulling in some cash for you to expand on.

Try not to get too caught up with what I'm doing with my sites. Get your sites going.

If you are comfortable with Eli's WP install, use it. I think its a great way to get started. Don't worry about setting it up like a Cycle Site. Just use it as an autoblog for now. The difference being scale. Cycle Sites are big and burn themselves out within a month or so. A simple autoblog could go on forever (in theory). I've got one that makes about $0.50 per day, but it just chugs along. Should probably check to see what kind of backlinks it has.

Here's how to get started, Step by Step:

FTP the script to your server, don't forget to setup a database and the wp-config.php file
Go through and adjust everything just like you would a normal wp install
Turn on Autoblog and Adsense Deluxe
Goto options and choose the AdsenseDeluxe tab. Create an Adsense block. I used 250x250, but 468x60 or another one of the squares would work as well.
Go to Google, Yahoo!, whatever and find feeds that match your niche. Copy and paste the feed URLs to a note somewhere
Back to your Wordpress, click on Plugins, then WP Autoblog Configuration. Add the list of feeds you found to the box, and click Save Settings
Now, Run the script. This will populate your blog with all the posts from those feeds and ping the aggregators.
Rinse, repeat with another niche.

egonitron · 10-19-2007, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SEO_Mike

Found the script, installed it, plugged in about 1000 feeds and let 'er rip.

...

Go to Google, Yahoo!, whatever and find feeds that match your niche. Copy and paste the feed URLs to a note somewhere

You manually found and inserted 1000 feeds? how long did that take?

egonitron · 10-19-2007, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SEO_Mike

Goto options and choose the AdsenseDeluxe tab. Create an Adsense block. I used 250x250, but 468x60 or another one of the squares would work as well.

Sorry for another post here, but with AdsenseDeluxe you have to put in the adsense code wherever you want it every time. How do you use this?

Nomara · 10-19-2007, 12:12 PM

Mike, thanks for the great posts. A few questions for you:

1. You say that the difference between Cycle Sites and what you're doing is scale. So a true Cycle Site would have more pages and scrape more RSS feeds than what you're doing?

2. Do you anticipate getting any complaints sent to your host or to adsense regarding your cycle site/autoblog? Or do you think that you won't get any due to the smaller scale?

3. How did you create your autoblog that makes 50 cents a day? Is it a simple RSS scraper or does it follow the cycle site idea of using trackbacks? Have you been able to avoid getting labeled as duplicate content?

Okay that was more than a few questions. I got carried away. I'm going to try out Eli's cycle site idea in addition to the autoblogs I'm already setting up.

SEO_Mike · 10-19-2007, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by egonitron

You manually found and inserted 1000 feeds? how long did that take?

Not long. I used a script to pull them. About 30 seconds.

Quote:

Sorry for another post here, but with AdsenseDeluxe you have to put in the adsense code wherever you want it every time. How do you use this?

Eli, being the stud that he is, already has it set in the themes included in that script. So, nothing to worry about there.

Quote:

1. You say that the difference between Cycle Sites and what you're doing is scale. So a true Cycle Site would have more pages and scrape more RSS feeds than what you're doing?

2. Do you anticipate getting any complaints sent to your host or to adsense regarding your cycle site/autoblog? Or do you think that you won't get any due to the smaller scale?

3. How did you create your autoblog that makes 50 cents a day? Is it a simple RSS scraper or does it follow the cycle site idea of using trackbacks? Have you been able to avoid getting labeled as duplicate content?

1. The difference between a Cycle Site and an Autoblog is scale. That ArizonaMLS site is a Cycle Site. From what I gathered most people are running 250 - 4000 feeds for their cycle sites.

2. Yep. Already got an email from a pissed of realtor. Guess I should have set my Whois info to private

Oh well.

3. I don't worry about dupe content, it won't be up long enough to garner any search engine traffic, so I don't care about rankings.

/edit/ Starting over on the ArizonaMLS site. Need to find different feeds to use. Shit.

egonitron · 10-19-2007, 12:46 PM

Ok, so you wrote a script for it, I don't really know how to do that yet, haha. looks like I'll just have to hold off on the cycle sites, I don't have the time to manually harvest all those RSS feeds, unless there's a script hovering around somewhere.

turbolapp · 10-19-2007, 12:47 PM

Guys don't forget to check out Eli's follow up Blue Hat SEO-Advanced SEO Tactics » Followup: SEO Empire Part 1

Also he mentioned to " be sure to put up a fake hosting provider in your name servers. That’ll give them someone to complain to and will make them happy. "

I'm a little confused about this. My hosting is with hostgator, how do I do a fake name?

I'm not really sure if this matters yet because I would like to just work on a few autoblogs instead of mass producing cyle sites so hopefully , I wouldn't get too many complaints.

Ok back to studying...

mkrongel · 10-19-2007, 12:58 PM

This is an awesome idea by SEO Mike. I will try to help out as well if i can.

mkrongel · 10-19-2007, 01:02 PM

im suprised no one has jumped on this
Rapper T.I Arrested For Buying All Kinds Of Machine Guns - Gossip - MySpace News

Only AOL is bidding on him

Google

I am also surprised Google Trends: soulja boy no one has jumped on this one either

Nomara · 10-19-2007, 01:09 PM

mkrongel,

What would you suggest? A ringtone offer? Or a voting page with a zip/email submit? Or maybe I need to think out of the box more than that?

wsmith810 · 10-19-2007, 01:14 PM

Notice that hook that appears to go straight down after the straight up? Better come up with some good new shit lol

mkrongel · 10-19-2007, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nomara

mkrongel,

What would you suggest? A ringtone offer? Or a voting page with a zip/email submit? Or maybe I need to think out of the box more than that?

Either ... its all how you present it.

if you did ringtones i would say don't be the last to get the soulja boy ringtone

Or if email submits i would say, do you think the soulja boy dance is better than the macarena

ArtDeco · 10-19-2007, 01:32 PM

I'm a lurkin' and a learnin'. None of this makes much sense to me yet. Lead on Mike.

turbolapp · 10-19-2007, 01:35 PM

Do a video of yourself attempting the soulja boy dance, and then post it on youtube watermarked with your blog, which would then have the funny story of you learning to do the soulja boy dance and how retarded you are. Throw up some lyrics, adsense and ringtone offers and voila theres your souljaboy.x7G.net blog.

SEO_Mike · 10-19-2007, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbolapp

Do a video of yourself attempting the soulja boy dance, and then post it on youtube watermarked with your blog, which would then have the funny story of you learning to do the soulja boy dance and how retarded you are. Throw up some lyrics, adsense and ringtone offers and voila theres your souljaboy.x7G.net blog.

LOL!! OMG That would be...funny, yet very scary. Not a bad idea though.

Nomara · 10-19-2007, 01:50 PM

Haha good idea. Wow, a search for white soulja boy dance on YouTube brings up a lot of whiteboy dances. I don't know how I would make my whiteboy dancing stand out!

mkrongel · 10-19-2007, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbolapp

Do a video of yourself attempting the soulja boy dance, and then post it on youtube watermarked with your blog, which would then have the funny story of you learning to do the soulja boy dance and how retarded you are. Throw up some lyrics, adsense and ringtone offers and voila theres your souljaboy.x7G.net blog.

Better yet, take all the dances already on youtube watermark them with your website and reupload.

Really good idea Turbo

turbolapp · 10-19-2007, 02:04 PM

Yeah alot of good it does me since I'm sooooo slow on all the technical googly mook. Which is why I'm taking this thread really seriously.

LIke for example:
I really have no idea how to set up video on my blog. Also, I finally got watermarking down the other day but when I re uploaded back to youtube it was a terrible quality video.

But yeah I like youtube marketing...I keep circling it. If I could just get all the coding, plugins, and just about anything on bluehats site down, then I would be freakin set.

Supergeek · 10-19-2007, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbolapp

Yeah alot of good it does me since I'm sooooo slow on all the technical googly mook. Which is why I'm taking this thread really seriously.

I shall destroy all the non-technical n00bs with my awesome powers of technosity!

springer · 10-19-2007, 03:03 PM

Try this for embedding text and links into videos http://www.bubbleply.com/Default.aspx

Here's another plug-in for auto-populating a WP blog Rad Geek’s Projects » FeedWordPress

Go here Viper007Bond.com and follow the "plug-in" link at the top to get a WP plug-in to embed videos into your blog.

snapcount · 10-19-2007, 03:14 PM

Thank you for the feedback guys. SEO_Mike, your post on voting sites is actually where I got the idea from... I'm even using the template from the Michael Vick example you posted. It was doing well at first and now it's not converting for almost 3 days. In fact, no conversions on any offers at all so something is up. I did some testing and found my leads aren't posting. It's probably something stupid I'm doing but thankfully my AM at Copeac is patient with me =)

I'm reading on cycle sites now, I did miss that on the first read... going to try that too. This thread is awesome... I was starting to feel a bit dejected but competition is a big motivation and it helps to know that I'm not the only n00b in the world.

turbolapp · 10-19-2007, 03:16 PM

Thanks springer, I'll look into it.

Mike, what is your plan for themes for all your blogs? I am especially interested in this as the wp themes are KICKING MY ASS ALLOVER THE PLACE right about now.

springer · 10-19-2007, 03:22 PM

GODDAMMIT! Wish I had gotten that WP Cloner from dealdotcom a couple days ago when it was just $67! I've finally got a primo WP template set up and now I have to dupe the fuggin thing by hand. ARGH!

Somebody kick me in the nertz!

10-18-2007, 08:10 PM	#1 (permalink)
SEO_Mike Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,808 iTrader: 26 / 100%	n00bie Challenge We all started somewhere, and sometimes it takes a challenge to really get the blood flowing. So, I'm throwing down the guantlet, and challenging you n00bs to make some money. A couple posts got me thinking about this. Check out: A self proclaimed n00b making money in his first month Blue Hat SEO-Advanced SEO Tactics » SEO Empire - Part 1 The first post talks about making money with RSS scraping and auto blogging. Bam Bam is making about $8 per day with one of his auto blogs in his first month. Awesome! He took an idea that he found here and ran with it instead of sitting around doing nothing. The second is from Eli's BlueHatSEO site. Eli lays out the initial framework and mindset for building your own SEO empire. If you don't already read BlueHatSEO, you need to. Take some time off from WickedFire and read his blog. The goal of my challenge is: Help you make money Get you off of your ass and doing something Teach you that persistence pays off The toughest part of Internet Marketing is just doing something. I remember when I started, it took me 6 months of reading and thinking before I got the guts to try something. That's stupid. Once I started doing something, things started to pick up and I started making money. Now, I'm not Mr. Baller here, but I'm working on it. When I'm making 6 figures per month, then I'll be happy. Here's the rules: you have to build sites, blogs, do ppc, anything. The guy with the most revenue / profit after 60 days wins. Simple. What do you win? Self esteem, bragging rights, the money you make, skillz that you can expand on to make more money, and possibly something from WickedFire (I have to run that by the powers-that-be first). I'm going to participate in this as well using a Wordpress mU setup. This is something I haven't tested, and now seems like the perfect time. Something I'll also do for you is post the links, niches, etc that I use. I don't expect you to do the same, but I'm going to. I think it will be a great way to get things started and if you get stumped, you can just steal one of my ideas Good luck to everyone! Can't wait to see what shapes up! __________________ Get HARD with PPC Keyword Research Are you ready for No *Excuses - Part Three*? Introducing: A4DHelp.com - Helping you make more money (it's free too!) Read My Stupid Fucking Blog because.

10-18-2007, 08:33 PM	#2 (permalink)
turbolapp Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Houston, TexASS Posts: 4,527 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Alright I guess this means I have to finish trying to figure out wordpress. I managed to get it installed the other day and then the freakin themes had me yelling obscenities at the computer and haven't peeked at it since. __________________ Wanna see my twitter? I even have another twitter for my Turbostation.

10-18-2007, 08:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
SEO_Mike Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,808 iTrader: 26 / 100%	If you're having problems Lauren, PM me and I'll see what I can do to help. Okay, here's my main page for the Wordpress mU site: Welcome to X7G.net It actually lists all of the blogs. I just went through and created all of those under the admin account. Don't bother trying to sign up for your own blog there unless you have an email address that is about 20 characters long and matches the bullshit one that I put in the admin panel for signups If you need a free blog account, check out Blogger.com, Wordpress.com, or one of the thousands of others out there. The blogs I just set up are off the top of my head or ideas taken from various sources. SearchEngineWatch has a good list of sites to get ideas from. Just for your info, my list is not necessarily even a good one, just shit I threw at the wall for now. I may throw some out, add others, etc. My personal goal for those sites is to have them skinned and some content on them by the middle of next week. I'm going to be using Adsense primarily for these blogs, and some targetted CPA ads (mostly from Copeac, of course). The site is setup on a LiquidWeb VPS account, so I should have plenty of room to grow. __________________ Get HARD with PPC Keyword Research Are you ready for No *Excuses - Part Three*? Introducing: A4DHelp.com - Helping you make more money (it's free too!) Read My Stupid Fucking Blog because.

10-18-2007, 08:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
SEO_Mike Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,808 iTrader: 26 / 100%	Nomara - sounds like a solid plan! Keep us updated and don't be afraid to ask questions __________________ Get HARD with PPC Keyword Research Are you ready for No *Excuses - Part Three*? Introducing: A4DHelp.com - Helping you make more money (it's free too!) Read My Stupid Fucking Blog because.

10-18-2007, 09:20 PM	#9 (permalink)
turbolapp Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Houston, TexASS Posts: 4,527 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Mike, How about if you make this idea/challange one of your blogs? You can blog about your journey with WordpressMU and helping lead the n00bs along the way. That way we can spare this thread getting too big, and also we can see what you're doing in real time, and make comments and post questions there? Just a thought. This is good timing and gives me just the push I needed. __________________ Wanna see my twitter? I even have another twitter for my Turbostation.

10-18-2007, 08:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
Nomara Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 40 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Alright, I'm in. I'm going to try a variety of projects, but I'll be keeping track of my autoblogging project here. My plan for today is to finish writing the autoblogger I wrote. Tomorrow, I will set up two domains each with 5 autoblogs (on subdomains). Each autoblog will have a different niche. I'll use Eli's QUIT tool to try and get indexed quickly. I'll try and build links by using Eli's RSS trick and by doing some manual link dropping. Maybe I'll try my hand at building throw-away blogs on Blogger.com and Wordpress.com and using those to link to my autoblogs as well. I just need to figure out the best way to attack it and automate it. I'll start by just using AdSense, but I might add in other ads or affiliate links. My goal is to be making 50 cents a day per autoblog. I think it should be doable and I will hopefully have everything so automated that I can ramp up to several hundred autoblogs in no time flat, at which point the autoblogs would be making decent money and would also be able to provide my other projects with backlinks. Let me know if you see any big flaws in my plan and if you have any niche suggestions for autoblog topics (although I could probably pick some out of a hat). It will be interesting to see how quickly (or slowly or if at all) my autoblogs ramp up in traffic.

10-18-2007, 08:48 PM	#4 (permalink)
whynot Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Yep, I'm a noob here... been lurking for a couple of weeks and you people are just so fuckin funny. Well done Mike for setting up this challenge, I'm ready to go... I'm going over to the links you suggest but can you please explain a little more about wordpress mu and what you'll be doing with it.

10-18-2007, 09:05 PM	#8 (permalink)
argh01 Little Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 504 iTrader: 5 / 100%	I'll take that challenge too. I'm not sure what I'll be doing but it won't be the yogareflection.com site you saw from the n00bie thread (since I've already started it, I had a head start). I'll find something new and use it for your challenge. I'm starting from a goose egg too, with regards to affiliate ads. My daily average for adsense is, uh twenty cents or so.

10-18-2007, 10:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
shinysign Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 24 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Hello, I am a newbie as well. This is a good post. I am not sure which approach to take, here is the other approach from an earlier post when someone was asking what to do with 80 dollars: "My final suggestion, do what Smaxor said- or hang on to your money and read your ass off for now, cuz you don't have a clue what you're doing and you will just lose it and give up." So I don't know which is better, read for a while and learn or just jump in and start messing with things. Both have their advantages. Advantage of not doing anything for a while is you don't lose needless money that you could of kept if you knew what you were doing. Of course you don't make money either. Advantage of doing something is you could make money, but also you could lose it and get frustrated. Which do you think is the better approach?

10-18-2007, 10:11 PM	#11 (permalink)
Supergeek The Uberest Nerd Join Date: May 2007 Location: Denver Posts: 613 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Since I've gotten my custom site "finished" for the most part, now I can start pushing out the money makers. I'm game for this challenge. I have no problem with the technical side... Marketing is my Achilles' Heel.

10-18-2007, 10:26 PM	#12 (permalink)
MyOwnDemon Face Rocker Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,069 iTrader: 55 / 100%	__________________ Custom Landing Pages starting at $65 Hundreds of LPs designed for Wickedfire members. Quality, custom work with a quick turnaround. AIM: SiteStomp \| Portfolio Website: Sitestomp.com

10-18-2007, 10:38 PM	#13 (permalink)
egonitron Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 128 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Mike, you're awesome I'm having the same problem. I keep reading around all day but I don't end up actually doing anything. I was going to start by setting up each blog on it's own domain, would you recommend saving money and putting then all on sub-domains even if they're different subjects?

10-18-2007, 10:45 PM	#14 (permalink)
bubbles Domainers... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 844 iTrader: 3 / 100%	I'll join in. I've got a video blog I started but never took anywhere. We'll see how it goes. __________________ Best Regarded Google Webmaster Mr Khanceff John http://twitter.com/johnwineman

10-18-2007, 11:08 PM	#15 (permalink)
SEO_Mike Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,808 iTrader: 26 / 100%	Awesome! Great to see so much participation so early in the game! Looks like I need to clarify a few things: How you build your sites / landing pages is unimportant. I'm using WPMU, but that doesn't mean you have to. I may even do some static sites for shits and giggles. Reading and learning is great, but your learning will accelerate like crazy by doing. So, IMO, it's best to jump in with both feet. If you are uncomfortable with scripts like WP, but have some basic HTML knowledge, build a static site and go from there. If you need help installing Wordpress or another script, ask for help. If I can't help, then there is probably someone else that can. Turbolapp asked me via PM what the next step is after getting Wordpress installed. Well, let's start by pointing people to this thread for the definitive answer. I'll provide the short answer. After I get Wordpress installed, I'll upload several different themes and plugins. Once I get the themes and plugins uploaded, I'll go about setting all the options I want and turning on the plugins. This is the list of options I change / edit: Under Options, I edit the tagline, blog address (if needed), membership and what day of the week to start on. WP defaults to Monday, I like it to start on Sunday. Then hit "Update" to save. Next, I go to the Writing tab and add some additional sites to ping under Update Services. This is the list I currently use: Code: http://rpc.pingomatic.com http://www.blogpeople.net/servlet/weblogUpdates http://bulkfeeds.net/rpc http://ping.myblog.jp http://ping.bitacoras.com http://ping.bloggers.jp/rpc/ http://bblog.com/ping.php Moving along, I go to the Reading tab, and change the Syndication Feeds to 10 and "Use Summary". I do this so that if someone uses my RSS feed for their own splog, they won't get the whole article. This will only work if you use the "More" button when writing your posts. For my splogs, I don't bother with this setting. Under Discussion, I uncheck the email notification stuff (I get enough crap in my mailbox) and check the box for "Administrator must always approve a comment" This controls spam. Skip Privacy For Permalinks I use Code: /%category%/%postname%/ That way my URLs show up as Code: http://www.my-blog.tld/category/post-name This is for SEO reasons. Not a big deal, but every little bit helps. Skip Misc Done I like using Wordpress because: a) I'm used to it and can set it up very quickly. b) It's very widely supported. c) See a. If you plan on building static sites, that's fine, just don't forget to ping the aggregators occasionally. This will tell them that your site / page has fresh content and hopefully draw the spiders (Search Engine spiders that is). Umm...time for a cigarette...I'll add more later __________________ Get HARD with PPC Keyword Research Are you ready for No *Excuses - Part Three*? Introducing: A4DHelp.com - Helping you make more money (it's free too!) Read My Stupid Fucking Blog because.

10-18-2007, 11:19 PM	#16 (permalink)
SEO_Mike Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,808 iTrader: 26 / 100%	Meant to add: The goal of the sites is to make money. Period. So don't get too attached to one site / one idea. Diversify. This is about numbers and doing something. Momentum brings momentum. In other words, a rock rolling downhill only picks up speed, it doesn't slow down. If you are just sitting on your ass reading WickedFire and not spending any time working on sites, then you'll notice that your revenue starts dropping. But if you pile a heap of shit on your plate and just dig in, you'll see your revenue go up and your forum reading go down. Plus as an added benefit, you're knowledge of what works and what doesn't will increase exponentially. The information you get on WickedFire is all theory and hearsay until you put it into practice. Once you start working it, you'll see what really works for you and what doesn't. The only way to get that knowledge is to do the work. You can't learn that any other way. Period. /end one thought/ Another thing I meant to address was cost. I'm going to be doing this as cheaply as possible. I don't want to spend any money if possible. That's one reason I'm using WPMU. I'm not going to spend any money on PPC at all, I'm not going to buy banner ads or links, I'm not going to buy content. This should all be about getting dirty and doing the labor yourself. If you are a TOTAL n00b to internet marketing and need hosting, domain name, etc, you can figure you'll spend about $20 to get started. $9.95 at Hostgator (or somewhere else) for hosting on a shared server, and about $7 - 10 for a domain (Use GB3 at GoDaddy and get .com's for $6.95). If you can't afford $20, then donate some plasma. They'll pay you at least $20. Finally, if that doesn't convince to get something started, contact me. I'll be happy to get out the bullwhip and kick your ass. __________________ Get HARD with PPC Keyword Research Are you ready for No *Excuses - Part Three*? Introducing: A4DHelp.com - Helping you make more money (it's free too!) Read My Stupid Fucking Blog because.

10-19-2007, 02:12 AM	#17 (permalink)
snapcount Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 14 iTrader: 1 / 100%	I want to get in on this. Right now I feel like I've been throwing shit at a wall and watching it slide down all the while praying something will stick. So far, nothing is really sticking. I've also been trying to think of a way to contribute to this forum when I don't know what the fuck I'm doing so perhaps I can learn and help someone else at the same time. This is what I've got so far and my plan. In all fairness I started about 2 months ago but I am in the red so in my eyes I have to make up the loss ( ~$800 ) just to catch up with everyone who started yesterday at $0. Also, this is a really long post so sorry. The Plan: 1 - I'm running email and zip submits (non-incentivised) from Copeac for 4 days now. Current strategy with this is voting pages. Two of these are direct from ad to offer via an instant redirect. The other three are ad -> my vote page -> offer. I have everything running from a CMS/App framework so I can put these up very quickly which is nice. I have my affiliate links cloaked... I think. The link posts to my site which does a redirect to the offer with my aff id... I figure more people will click if they don't realize they are about to leave the site and it may help a bit with SEO. This is currently a looser overall. It's been running PPC from 7search. Stats - 408 clicks @ $43.44 (0.11/AvgCPC), CTR - 162 (Vote -> Offer), Conv - 6 @ $8 (Entered email or zip), Net loss -$35.34 I tried running these with AW and the fuckers wouldn't start running the ads for 2 days and then they would jump in CPC drastically w/i a few hours. I did my best to optimize the pages (meta-tags, relevant content, privacy & contact pages, friendly urls with keywords in them and keywords in title) With this I'm going to let it ride for a while as I'm guessing I haven't had enough traffic to really know if it will do well. Extremely open to suggestions on how not to suck. 2 - I implemented the Black Hole SEO idea from Eli's blog. I started with RudeDoggs software which worked great but I wanted something I could run from my server instead of my home PC with windows. I also wanted some diff features so I rolled my own with MySQL/Perl/Crontabs. For this month it's made 2.5GB of rss files and consumed ~ 20GB bandwidth and generated ~ 2.5 million fake posts. I'm targeting 5 backlinks, 2 -> index pages, 3 -> deeplinks. The two sites it's trying to get backlinks for are affiliate based sites (CJ offers)... content heavy to the niche. It's been running for about 1.5 months and I show 60 backlinks that I can attribute to fake posts in Yahoo and 0 in Google. The sites are ranking in the top 100 results on Google for several of my keywords though which is good. I don't pay for any advertising for these sites and threw adwords up. Adwords has made like $3 though. I get about 40 uniques a day on each one. I also paid Kamesh to directory submissions for me for 1000 deeplinks and 1000 regular links. About 15 of those show up in Yahoo and 0 in Google after about 2 months. Overall I'm about $300 in the red from buying the software from RudeDogg initially and paying for dir submissions. My plan here is to give the backlinks time to get indexed and drive traffic organically. If I can get traffic I will focus on getting the aff offers to convert. Hopefully adsense will continue to throw a few dollars in every once in a while. This is a longer term investment. 3 - I read the SEO Empire post from ELI. I auto-generated two db sites and can do them in about 4-5 hours now. The first one has ~ 23K pages the other has ~6K. I used Eli's QUIT tool on them and now have about 40 pages indexed by Google between the two sites. I put them up like 2 weeks ago. I have adsense on every page but neither of them have made any money yet. Plan is to build more of these... I have 4 or 5 more content databases and have got my autogen script to where I can modify it pretty quickly for this type of site. I'm going to add links to each of these pages to the sites I spoke of in #2 above to help with SERPs. That's all. Sorry for writing a fucking novel. If anybody has any questions about what I've done I'd be happy to answer them. If anything stands out as a classic newb mistake I'd appreciate the input... I've tried some other techniques as well but they failed too so I've decided to focus on the ones listed here.

10-19-2007, 02:20 AM	#18 (permalink)
egonitron Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 128 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Wow dude, no clue what's wrong here. I'm interested in hearing Mike's (or another seasoned member's) response on this.

10-19-2007, 03:30 AM	#19 (permalink)
Notius Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 16 iTrader: 0 / 0%	I will take this challenge. I have been all over this forum over the last couple of weeks trying to soak in the insane amount of actual information. You guys are fucking great! I say actual information because most of the other sites I have found have been more about selling shit then teaching. So here is a big to you SEO_Mike and everyone else here that don't fuck around (Unless it is funny). I am not sure what my strategy will be yet. I will go through the links you have provided and figure out my niches and strats over the next couple of days and some sites up by the end of the first week.

10-19-2007, 04:12 AM	#21 (permalink)
emp Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,067 iTrader: 7 / 100%	ALRIGHT, LETS DO THIS!! Oh, and Mike... GREAT idea. I know you will follow through with this. I'll check this thread regularly and try to help where I can. Undecided noobs, join now!! You have the attention of at least 2 WF mods trying their best to help you. ::emp:: __________________ "We are here to unlearn the teachings of the church, state, and our educational system. We are here to drink beer. We are here to kill war. We are here to laugh at the odds and live our lives so well that Death will tremble to take us." - Charles Bukowski Blind Ape Seo ¦ My WickedFire articles

10-19-2007, 04:19 AM	#22 (permalink)
SEO_Mike Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,808 iTrader: 26 / 100%	Snapcount - read this thread if you haven't already: Lot's of good stuff there, if your campaign is just a slow bleed and you're losing money, shut it off. Try something else. I've had good luck with an auto warranty campaign. Not an email / zip submit. Personally, I was never good with email / zips and PPC, but that's just me. # 2. Remember that the blackhole SEO is more about links and less about traffic. Don't expect to get rich from it in the short run, it more about the marathon. # 3. DB sites are another thing that are great for inbound links, some money, but more about the links they can garner. Take a look at his post again and pay attention to the Cycle Sites. I missed that the first 6 times I read it, so don't feel bad. Eli is even nice enough - nice enough, hell Eli's my hero - to provide you with a copy of his modified WP script. I just set one of these sites up tonight on a different domain that I had lying around. Within 10 minutes there were 1700+ posts, now there are 2500+. Crazy shit. Here's the site (told you I'd keep this transparent): Code: http://arizonamlslistings.com __________________ Get HARD with PPC Keyword Research Are you ready for No *Excuses - Part Three*? Introducing: A4DHelp.com - Helping you make more money (it's free too!) Read My Stupid Fucking Blog because.

10-19-2007, 04:22 AM	#24 (permalink)
egonitron Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 128 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Mike, I set up one cycle site so far (have to do it manually for now, don't have a script to auto-configure) but I spent a ton of time gathering related feeds for it. Am I missing something? So far I've seen very little traffic (but some) so I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong here?

10-19-2007, 07:08 AM	#25 (permalink)
JamesH BIG FACE HUNDREDS $$$ Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,885 iTrader: 12 / 100%	I'm fucking down. However I've had a bad start so far. Oh by the way is this starting now?

10-19-2007, 09:46 AM	#26 (permalink)
argh01 Little Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 504 iTrader: 5 / 100%	It's always starting now, pal, getcher ass off the forums and into the work!

10-19-2007, 11:49 AM	#28 (permalink)
SEO_Mike Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,808 iTrader: 26 / 100%	Sorry about that. I tend to do many things at once. I'm still setting up the blogs in the WPMU, and actually that was what led me to the Cycle Sites that Eli describes. I was drawing a complete blank last night and IM'd Eli to ask if he knew of a WP plugin for autoblogging. He replied that I should go back to his SEO Empire post and there was one there. Soooo...like a good little n00b. I did. Found the script, installed it, plugged in about 1000 feeds and let 'er rip. Now that I have his WP install, I'm going to see if I can adapt part of it to work with WPMU and automate my those blogs. For some of you this may be too advanced. That's okay. You don't have to do things exactly like I'm doing it. Trying to keep up with my crazy mind is a challenge anyhow. So, lets slow it down a bit. Yeah, we all want to make a ton of money in the time frame of this challenge. That would be a blast. Realistically, you probably won't make a ton of money, but you will lay down the foundation of hard work, site-building knowledge, how to monetize a site, etc. Plus, you'll have a small (maybe bigger) network of sites slowly pulling in some cash for you to expand on. Try not to get too caught up with what I'm doing with my sites. Get your sites going. If you are comfortable with Eli's WP install, use it. I think its a great way to get started. Don't worry about setting it up like a Cycle Site. Just use it as an autoblog for now. The difference being scale. Cycle Sites are big and burn themselves out within a month or so. A simple autoblog could go on forever (in theory). I've got one that makes about $0.50 per day, but it just chugs along. Should probably check to see what kind of backlinks it has. Here's how to get started, Step by Step: FTP the script to your server, don't forget to setup a database and the wp-config.php file Go through and adjust everything just like you would a normal wp install Turn on Autoblog and Adsense Deluxe Goto options and choose the AdsenseDeluxe tab. Create an Adsense block. I used 250x250, but 468x60 or another one of the squares would work as well. Go to Google, Yahoo!, whatever and find feeds that match your niche. Copy and paste the feed URLs to a note somewhere Back to your Wordpress, click on Plugins, then WP Autoblog Configuration. Add the list of feeds you found to the box, and click Save Settings Now, Run the script. This will populate your blog with all the posts from those feeds and ping the aggregators. Rinse, repeat with another niche. __________________ Get HARD with PPC Keyword Research Are you ready for No *Excuses - Part Three*? Introducing: A4DHelp.com - Helping you make more money (it's free too!) Read My Stupid Fucking Blog because.

10-19-2007, 12:12 PM	#31 (permalink)
Nomara Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 40 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Mike, thanks for the great posts. A few questions for you: 1. You say that the difference between Cycle Sites and what you're doing is scale. So a true Cycle Site would have more pages and scrape more RSS feeds than what you're doing? 2. Do you anticipate getting any complaints sent to your host or to adsense regarding your cycle site/autoblog? Or do you think that you won't get any due to the smaller scale? 3. How did you create your autoblog that makes 50 cents a day? Is it a simple RSS scraper or does it follow the cycle site idea of using trackbacks? Have you been able to avoid getting labeled as duplicate content? Okay that was more than a few questions. I got carried away. I'm going to try out Eli's cycle site idea in addition to the autoblogs I'm already setting up.

10-19-2007, 12:46 PM	#33 (permalink)
egonitron Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 128 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Ok, so you wrote a script for it, I don't really know how to do that yet, haha. looks like I'll just have to hold off on the cycle sites, I don't have the time to manually harvest all those RSS feeds, unless there's a script hovering around somewhere.

10-19-2007, 12:47 PM	#34 (permalink)
turbolapp Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Houston, TexASS Posts: 4,527 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Guys don't forget to check out Eli's follow up Blue Hat SEO-Advanced SEO Tactics » Followup: SEO Empire Part 1 Also he mentioned to " be sure to put up a fake hosting provider in your name servers. That’ll give them someone to complain to and will make them happy. " I'm a little confused about this. My hosting is with hostgator, how do I do a fake name? I'm not really sure if this matters yet because I would like to just work on a few autoblogs instead of mass producing cyle sites so hopefully , I wouldn't get too many complaints. Ok back to studying... __________________ Wanna see my twitter? I even have another twitter for my Turbostation.

10-19-2007, 12:58 PM	#35 (permalink)
mkrongel Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,224 iTrader: 0 / 0%	This is an awesome idea by SEO Mike. I will try to help out as well if i can. __________________ Mike Krongel President/Founder www.IntermarkMedia.com www.Copeac.com email mike at intermarkmedia.com 631-719-1250 x 3121 AIM: my user name

10-19-2007, 01:02 PM	#36 (permalink)
mkrongel Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,224 iTrader: 0 / 0%	im suprised no one has jumped on this Rapper T.I Arrested For Buying All Kinds Of Machine Guns - Gossip - MySpace News Only AOL is bidding on him Google I am also surprised Google Trends: soulja boy no one has jumped on this one either __________________ Mike Krongel President/Founder www.IntermarkMedia.com www.Copeac.com email mike at intermarkmedia.com 631-719-1250 x 3121 AIM: my user name

10-19-2007, 01:09 PM	#37 (permalink)
Nomara Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 40 iTrader: 1 / 100%	mkrongel, What would you suggest? A ringtone offer? Or a voting page with a zip/email submit? Or maybe I need to think out of the box more than that?

10-19-2007, 01:14 PM	#38 (permalink)
wsmith810 The Ripper Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Summit, IL Posts: 714 iTrader: 2 / 100%	Notice that hook that appears to go straight down after the straight up? Better come up with some good new shit lol __________________ Tool I used to make $1,300 In < 24 Hours W/ Facebook - 0wN3d the Facebook Good free spyware / adware scan and info

10-19-2007, 01:32 PM	#40 (permalink)
ArtDeco Ex-lurker Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PA USA Posts: 557 iTrader: 2 / 100%	Lead On I'm a lurkin' and a learnin'. None of this makes much sense to me yet. Lead on Mike.

10-19-2007, 01:35 PM	#41 (permalink)
turbolapp Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Houston, TexASS Posts: 4,527 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Do a video of yourself attempting the soulja boy dance, and then post it on youtube watermarked with your blog, which would then have the funny story of you learning to do the soulja boy dance and how retarded you are. Throw up some lyrics, adsense and ringtone offers and voila theres your souljaboy.x7G.net blog. __________________ Wanna see my twitter? I even have another twitter for my Turbostation.

10-19-2007, 01:50 PM	#43 (permalink)
Nomara Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 40 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Haha good idea. Wow, a search for white soulja boy dance on YouTube brings up a lot of whiteboy dances. I don't know how I would make my whiteboy dancing stand out!

10-19-2007, 02:04 PM	#45 (permalink)
turbolapp Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Houston, TexASS Posts: 4,527 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Yeah alot of good it does me since I'm sooooo slow on all the technical googly mook. Which is why I'm taking this thread really seriously. LIke for example: I really have no idea how to set up video on my blog. Also, I finally got watermarking down the other day but when I re uploaded back to youtube it was a terrible quality video. But yeah I like youtube marketing...I keep circling it. If I could just get all the coding, plugins, and just about anything on bluehats site down, then I would be freakin set. __________________ Wanna see my twitter? I even have another twitter for my Turbostation.