Hyphens in between only some words?

Muninn

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So I hate to bring up a topic that seems to be discussed to death, but I didn't see anything concerning this specifically.. Let's say I have "big blue widgets" as my longtail I'm targeting, so I'd like bigbluewidgets.com of course, however, unavailable.

Well let's say I could either get bigbluewidgets.co,.biz,.cm, etc. (good ones are all taken), or however, I could get a .com if I go with big-bluewidgets.com (all the good "big-blue-widgets" are gone as well). Would this be preferable to settling on an uncommon TLD?

I'm speaking in terms of SEO by the way, specifically a niche site.
 


So I hate to bring up a topic that seems to be discussed to death, but I didn't see anything concerning this specifically.. Let's say I have "big blue widgets" as my longtail I'm targeting, so I'd like bigbluewidgets.com of course, however, unavailable.

Well let's say I could either get bigbluewidgets.co,.biz,.cm, etc. (good ones are all taken), or however, I could get a .com if I go with big-bluewidgets.com (all the good "big-blue-widgets" are gone as well). Would this be preferable to settling on an uncommon TLD?

I'm speaking in terms of SEO by the way, specifically a niche site.


Hmm.....interesting question.

Dashes are preferable to an underscore between words. And of course periods are pretty much a big negatory.

The potential problem I see with big-bluewidgets for SEO is that if people are not putting bluewidgets as one word in the search query you will most likely not show up for the people who type blue widgets as two separate words.

This would be why the good big-blue-widgets domains are already taken. I know this sounds a little off since if you did have the bigbluewidgets domain you would show up for the words together or separated. But it is "my" understanding that once you use the -as a signifier in the domain that the crawler will look at any letters NOT separated by the dash as a supposed word to match against the words in a search query.

I may be mistaken on this, but I would not use the big-bluewidgets against the other competition of big-blue-widgets or bigbluewidgets to rank in the SERPs. (That is if you/I thought that exact match domains were a significant advantage to ranking.)

Maybe instead you could get a domain of say largebluewidgets or large-blue-widgets and then use big blue widgets in your meta tags and anchor text instead. Then use content and links to out rank the users of the more traditional domain of your widget.

You know, as the domains get harder to come by (Dirty Domainers!! Lulz) I have not been to concerned about exact match domains anymore. I could use y8fgh34.com for any product and still rank above the fold against exact match domains with my code, content, & links so long as the market is not over saturated.

That and I have found that most people don't pay a whole lot of attention to the actual domain name. Unless you are building a Brand and using offline methods of promotion where you need for the potential customers to remember the site's domain to type in later, exact match domains are not as important as they use to be for SEO.

The last week or so I have been laughing at the Yellow Pages ads on TV using yp.com instead of
Code:
www.yellowpages.com
YP.COM - Yellow Pages, the new YELLOWPAGES.COM. I guess they feel that typing yellowpages is just too much for people to handle today. So they are taking the Yellow Pages brand that started in 1886 and cutting it down to just YP. So, do you really need an exact match domain anymore?

Now a days Content is King and Links are the Nectar of the GODS!! LOL

Oh and Steve Krug who wrote a book on website optimization titled, "Don't Make Me Think" hit the nail right on the head!! Lulz (That link is to a 10 page summary of the book. It is a GOOD overview worth reading. I have the whole book but have not read it yet!! LOL)
 
i took a brand new site, partially hyphenated domain with fairly strong competition, and it is now ranking on the 2-3rd page of G. The only links I threw at it were directory submissions. And yes, its a fairly competitive keyword.


Try it.
 
The real answer here is to test it. That's the true wf answer.

I personally think it depends on your long term plans for the site. If you want to build and hold onto it, then i would add a word - i have used premierkwkw.com or dealsonkwkw.com.... if you are doing everything else right (on page, linking, whatever) you will have a couple of month delay behind where you would be if you had the domain you really wanted.

and doesn't k-wkwkw.com look really awkward and over-SEO'd as well?

just another noob's opinion.
 
Unless you are building an authority site, that's the only time I would advise against it. But yeah, the shit works.


Try it.
 
I don't place very high value on exact match domains.

In the long run, you can make anything rank for anything with a backlink campaign, use of <title> tags, and anchor text. I also refuse to own any spammy over-optimized domain name because I'm a fucking gentleman.
 
You want to make sure that your main keyword is at the beginning of the domain if you plan to use a hyphen. You could also try adding the words "tips", "reviews", or even "news" at the end of the domain to see if that particular .com domain has been snatched up.