Muslims behead a 9-year-old boy

1. Massive number of Catholics quit the church as a direct result of boys being molested, being disgusted with the reaction of church leaders. How does it compare to the Muslims?

2. Do you really think there are no gays and pedophiles among Muslims and Muslim leaders?


Did you? Was it because of this?

Lots of Catholics also thought what what happened was fucked up and didn't quit the church.

Also, do you know the number of muslims that quit practicing after each terrorist incident? Maybe massive numbers did quit islam when the events of the last 2 decades started.
 


As low as WF goes I think there needs to be standard as to whats gets moderated. This thread should have been killed just as much as an underage porn thread would have been killed. I seem to remember a sticky post about not posting underage porn. I think those rules need to be amended to cover stuff like this too.
 
I am with eliquid, I personally dislike muslims as a general rule. I think the world would be a much better place without islam.
Count me in too. eLiquid is right on, except he's being nicer than I would be about it... We're not safe with them existing at all, as Benjamin Franklin found out in a very funny way soon before the battle of Tripoli.

As low as WF goes I think there needs to be standard as to whats gets moderated. This thread should have been killed just as much as an underage porn thread would have been killed. I seem to remember a sticky post about not posting underage porn. I think those rules need to be amended to cover stuff like this too.
Freedom of speech; love it or leave it; Asshole.
 
To all of you that are talking about the IRA or Priest molestations - the difference is widespread disapproval and vocal outrage at the incidents WITHIN the religion itself. This is not found from the Islamic leaders.

To Moxie who was smart ass enough to leave this link for me:
let me google that for you

The results were interesting - if you cared to read the actual Google results. As my previous thread said - I was willing to change my mind. But change it - I did not.

The primary results were about some Canada Muslim attack and the denouncing of it by the clerics - but this is what their FATWA said:

“Therefore, any attack on Canada and the United States is an attack on the freedom of Canadian and American Muslims. Any attack on Canada and the United States is an attack on thousands of mosques across North America. It is a duty of every Canadian and American Muslim to safeguard Canada and the USA."

So in essence they only care because there are Muslims in the USA and Canada. Not because it is wrong.

Other results - I saw many organizations right after 9/11. But then google the organization names - many are up to some bad shit - so lets not think for a moment they were sincere.

@music4mic - I also put in my post about personal Muslim friends denouncing such things - but if they are unwilling to stand up then their stance is meaningless. It seems like too many Muslims look the other way when faced with extremism for fear of retribution - that is a big problem. Religions need to clean themselves up from within. Just like Christianity had to.

@conv3rsion - What the hell - I get all types of news. And as stated above I regarding the LMGTFY results. Dig in and you will see organizations right after 9/11 denouncing and then convicted in courts of aiding terrorists later. You will also see the denunciation in Canada was as stated above - to protect Muslims - not to protect everyone.
 
My kid is 100x more likely to get hit by a car, or drowned in a pool, or get cancer, than to be molested by whatever guy I am trusting him with. And the vast majority of kids who do get molested are molested by family members. That's just statistics and those stories are on the local news every night. But human fear is completely irrational.

The chance of dying in your car or of heart disease is much higher than that of skydiving, but ask people what scares them more.

My point is that everyone is trying to manage risk, we just focus on the wrong shit.

Stats like that piss me off. There were 100,000 cars that went by on i-95 today and there were no accidents. If you put those same 100,000 people and took them skydiving several of the idiots would die :)
 
Count me in too. eLiquid is right on, except he's being nicer than I would be about it... We're not safe with them existing at all, as Benjamin Franklin found out in a very funny way soon before the battle of Tripoli.


Freedom of speech; love it or leave it; Asshole.

freedom of speech has absolutely nothing to do with an internet forum.
 
My kid is 100x more likely to get hit by a car, or drowned in a pool, or get cancer, than to be molested by whatever guy I am trusting him with. And the vast majority of kids who do get molested are molested by family members. That's just statistics and those stories are on the local news every night. But human fear is completely irrational.

The chance of dying in your car or of heart disease is much higher than that of skydiving, but ask people what scares them more.

My point is that everyone is trying to manage risk, we just focus on the wrong shit.

I think the difference is:

1. If I die of a heart attack, that is unstoppable pretty much because of genetics and such. Eating right only goes so far.
2. If I die in a car crash where a drunk driver is responsible, that is unstoppable unless I was out driving on New Years or some shit like that.
3. If I died in the world trade center, that was unstoppable

However, if my kid got molested because I allowed a Catholic priest into my home, or left my kid with them unattended.. then that is something I could have prevented and should have. If not a matter of "your 100x more likely to X then die in an attack", its more of this is some shit that could have been prevented compared to shit that can not be prevented which is what a lot of what that data represents when they say "you 1000x time more likely to die from heart attack then from jihad".

Can you prevent a drunk driver from killing you? Maybe if you never drive, but whats to stop them from jumping the curb and killing you as you walk down the sidewalk. Not driving or going out is a major disruption to life for something you cant control.

Can you prevent a priest from molesting your child? Yeah, dont put them in Catholic church unattended with the priest. Thats not a major disruption and something you can plan out. How about some freaking sex offender on your street? Yeah, dont let your kid out of site when at home and keep a neighborhood watch on that guys house.

So all this talk about your likely to die from X before you die from a jihad attack is BS to me. its comparing things that are not easily preventable and almost unstoppable without major planning and disruption to you life with something you can easily plan against and protect against. Dont hang around muslims or places they frequent and hang out at, and your chances get reduced IF such an attack were to take place.

There are always outliers though. The people in the World Trade center had no clue or option to prevent what happened to them. Thats an outlier, but these reporters that travel to Egypt, Iran, and other places put themselves in that position though and it could have been prevented. I am not saying what was done to them was right at all, but in the same light I would have never put myself in that position either.

Also, we do all manage risk and we all have different tolerance levels. Your risk for investment and tolerance is probably different then mine too. However, at what level is it acceptable to make fun of, look down on, or act like someone is doing something wrong because they dont have the same risk tolerance as you?

I see your point, I do.. but you have got to see some of mine.
 
Stats like that piss me off. There were 100,000 cars that went by on i-95 today and there were no accidents. If you put those same 100,000 people and took them skydiving several of the idiots would die :)

Actually 1 out of 100k would die skydying and 93 will die driving in the US today.

And I'm talking more about your risk of dying in a given year of driving vs regular skydiving.
 
lukep: I don't care about the hate speech. I care about the images/video. I am sure no images of kiddie porn or links to kiddie porn are allowed for decency. Same thing goes here.
 
Actually 1 out of 100k would die skydying and 93 will die driving in the US today.

And I'm talking more about your risk of dying in a given year of driving vs regular skydiving.

That skydiving statistic would increase drastically if the same people that drove down the interstate were to do it. The ratio wouldn't stay the same.... that's why it irritates me.

93 people would die on the way to the airport - then probably thousands and thousands would die sky diving.

Because the stat you have for skydivers isn't a normal representation of the public. Most people doing it are fit, and doing it willingly.


They are just feel good numbers to justify something that's really not safe as safe.

BTW - not trolling you - just a pet peeve of mine. My kids use stats like that to justify doing crap I won't let them.
 
Ahhhh so lukep is the one that wants the kiddie porn! He must also be the guy who yells fire in a crowded theater.
There are many on here that admit to being far more interested in the kiddie porn than I, and no, I'd kick the ass of anyone shouting fire wrongfully in the theatre I'm at.

But there is a deadly fucking serious problem with Islam. It WILL kill one of your family given time. Here, this is just who they killed & maimedTHIS WEEK:

Date Country City Killed Injured Description
2011.05.10 Dagestan Makhachkala 1 1 A suicide bomber detonates at a checkpoint, killing a cop.
2011.05.10 Somalia Mogadishu 3 7 Islamic militia take out three civilians with a roadside bomb.
2011.05.09 Pakistan Nowshera 2 4 A bombing at a courthouse leaves two dead, including a woman.
2011.05.09 Pakistan Orakzai 1 0 Tehreek-e-Taliban kidnap and brutally execut a tribesman.
2011.05.09 Iraq Baghdad 3 2 A liquor store owner is among the casualties of various Mujahideen blasts.
2011.05.09 Afghanistan Laghman 5 3 Three children are among five civilians torn to shreads by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2011.05.09 Afghanistan Ghazni 6 0 The Taliban machine-gun a half-dozen policemen at point-blank range.
2011.05.08 Egypt Imbada 1 0 Salafists shoot the 16-year-old nephew of a Catholic bishop in the head.
2011.05.08 Dagestan Makhachkala 2 0 A journalist is among two people slain by Jihadi gunmen in separate attacks.
2011.05.08 Thailand Pattani 2 0 Islamists gun down two Buddhists in front of a mosque.
2011.05.07 Egypt Cairo 12 232 Fundamentalists assault two churches with firebombs and gunfire, killing five Copt defenders and seven more in an ensuing rampage.
2011.05.07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Religious separatists shoot a farmer to death.
2011.05.07 Thailand Pattani 4 12 Muslim militants detonate a bomb at a soccer field where police are playing a friendly game with villagers, killing four.
2011.05.06 Iraq Fallujah 1 0 An accused 'enemy of Allah' is kidnapped and beheaded.
2011.05.06 Nigeria Kano 17 3 Seventeen residents of a Christian village, including a pastor's wife and three children are massacred in a pre-dawn Muslim attack.
2011.05.06 Pakistan Quetta 8 15 Eight Shiites visiting a cemetery are targeted and killed in a Sunni rocket attack.
2011.05.06 Algeria Baghlia 1 0 Armed fundamentalists gun down a journalist.
2011.05.05 Nigeria Maiduguri 2 0 A child is among two people shot to death by Boko Haram Islamists.
2011.05.05 Pakistan Karachi 2 0 An imam is among two people assassinated by Religion of Peace rivals.
2011.05.05 Iraq Hilla 24 72 Two dozen police are sent to Allah by a Holy Warrior in an explosives-packed vehicle.
2011.05.05 Iraq Mosul 1 1 A woman is shot to death in her home by 'insurgents'.
2011.05.04 Iraq Karbala 3 4 Three agricultural workers are murdered by Islamic bombers.
2011.05.04 Pakistan Karachi 1 0 A 45-year-old Shia man is assassinated by Taliban gunmen.
2011.05.04 Yemen Abyan 7 9 Seven people at a market are laid out by al-Qaeda bombers.
2011.05.04 Thailand Yala 4 13 Muslim militants roll up on a tea shop and machine-gun four people to death, including two teenagers.
2011.05.04 Nigeria Maiduguri 3 0 Three guards are killed in a Boko Haram shooting at a prison.
2011.05.04 Pakistan Bara 1 2 Militants kidnap three civilians from a market and execute one.
2011.05.04 Nigeria Borno 2 0 A woman is among two people taken down by Islamist assassins.
2011.05.04 Somalia Baidoa 2 0 al-Shabaab executes two young 'apostates' at a soccer stadium, forcing children to watch.
2011.05.04 Iraq Halila 2 0 Mujahideen stop two trucks and execute the drivers.
2011.05.03 Iraq Baghdad 16 37 Sixteen Shiites in a poorer neighborhood are blown to bits by Sunni bombers while watching soccer at a cafe.
2011.05.03 Iraq Baghdad 2 5 A woman is among two who bleed to death in separate bombings.

(It was a slow week.)

And you don't want me talking about it online because....?

EDIT: Ha ha, after your phrase change this isn't really relevant anymore... But still, the problem exists, even if the film doesn't give enough info to correctly attribute the exact causes.
Our ability to freely speak about it is the only way we can find out what those causes are and not make a rash move with too little information.
 
Can you prevent a priest from molesting your child? Yeah, dont put them in Catholic church unattended with the priest. Thats not a major disruption and something you can plan out.

Right I get what you are saying, there are some risks you can control for, regardless of how they stack up to unpreventable risks.

My point is if we all live our lives that way, our kids aren't going to be able to even play sports, because the chance of your son dying playing high school basketball or football is probably higher than the chance of your current priest molesting him. For every 1 million male athletes 7.5 wil die from playing their sport.

Even if its not much higher risk, where do you draw the line? You feel me?
 
Freedom of speech has nothing to do with Patrick wanting this thread banned because he thinks it sounds like hate speech??

Go smoke another one, brah.

Do you even know what freedom of speech is? Here's a hint, it has nothing to do with a private website.
 
That skydiving statistic would increase drastically if the same people that drove down the interstate were to do it. The ratio wouldn't stay the same.... that's why it irritates me.

93 people would die on the way to the airport - then probably thousands and thousands would die sky diving.

Because the stat you have for skydivers isn't a normal representation of the public. Most people doing it are fit, and doing it willingly.


They are just feel good numbers to justify something that's really not safe as safe.

BTW - not trolling you - just a pet peeve of mine. My kids use stats like that to justify doing crap I won't let them.


I didn't say you are more likely to die driving to the airport. And you are saying that skydiving is not safe?
 
If you really believe that Islam kills people then you must believe that Christianity does also. Because those KKK guys were good upstanding Christians.

You cannot have a rational discussion with anybody that believe a certain religion or race all behave the same. I don't know the equivalent word on the religious side. But on the race side it would be called racism.
 
Right I get what you are saying, there are some risks you can control for, regardless of how they stack up to unpreventable risks.

My point is if we all live our lives that way, our kids aren't going to be able to even play sports, because the chance of your son dying playing high school basketball or football is probably higher than the chance of your current priest molesting him. For every 1 million male athletes 7.5 wil die from playing their sport.

Even if its not much higher risk, where do you draw the line? You feel me?

I feel you and understand it, yeah 7.5 will die from playing their sport out of 1 million. It will happen for sure.

As far as drawing the line, I think what people have missed here is this is me protecting my family. Once my kids turn 18-21, there is not much I can do to control their situation. Im not the type of person to tell them at 18 to not hang around muslims, they will have to make that choice on their own with no input from me.

However, until their 18.. I get to make that choice for them no matter if they like it or not. I can prevent them from playing sports until their 18, but once their grown and out ,I cant stop it.

As far as whats my level while I have control of them.. well thats the beauty of being a parent. Everyday shit changes and expectations go out the window. I have no clue how I will feel about this topic or any others in 3 years. I just have to play it by ear and see how it works out for me and mine.
 
If you really believe that Islam kills people then you must believe that Christianity does also. Because those KKK guys were good upstanding Christians.
I do, but to a much more reasonable extent. Christians will still execute a KKK member after he's gone on a killing spree.

You cannot have a rational discussion with anybody that believe a certain religion or race all behave the same. I don't know the equivalent word on the religious side. But on the race side it would be called racism.
I like to call it Smart. All Religion is evil.
 
My only 2 cents: ALL god based religions is half of what's wrong with this world.

The only good religions are those that promote inner thought and reflection and a growing of the being. Not some imaginary man that you are supposed to blindly trust.

I trust logic.