Fact or Myth: Xrumer Links Pointed to your site - Case Study



Okay since so many people are interested, I'll go into a bit more detail. I blasted the site within one week by using 9 different computers on a Comcast Business Class connection (50Mbps). Comcast sent me an email saying that a bot had infected my network. LOL. They send me an email like that every week since I blast at LEAST a million sites per month using ScrapeBox.

As for the type of links used, on this site it was mostly ScrapeBox. I also used DFB. I used one anchor text only. But you know how things go. A lot of the time the anchor text changes to something else so anchor text diversity is pretty good. For example, if you take a look at some of the blogs, they say "visitors website" as the anchor text sometimes. Or just the website URL itself as the anchor. Xrumer diversifies the anchor text even more. But I really don't like buying Xrumer blasts anymore. The shit just doesn't get indexed in YSE or Google. But out of the 3 million links blasted, over 500,000 links now show in YSE.

I did nothing to index the pages (since they're obviously already indexed) and it took roughly a month and a half to see any ranking in Bing or Yahoo. Within the first week though I was on the second page of Google. Then I dropped like a rock and was no where within the top 1000. Then it floated around 650 for months and months. I woke up one day and my AdSense account said I had an extra $200 that day than I normally had so I checked all my sites and sure enough, that one had gotten ranked.

I've been raking #2 consistently for almost a year now. I routinely blast it with more ScrapeBox links as often as I can. Seriously, ScrapeBox with some web 2.0 properties can be your one solution to ranking. I didn't use web 2.0 properties at all on the site in question. I just blasted everything directly. But just remember that ScrapeBox links, though better than Xrumer links, are still shitty so you need a lot of them in order to rank. 10,000 ScrapeBox links can get you ranked for "cheap nighties for women under 40" but don't go after anything remotely competitive if that's all you're going to buy.

EDIT: As for unique domains, that's not as important as people would have you believe. Though it is a good idea to have at least 10% unique domains because if you don't, when one site goes down you lose thousands or tens of thousands of links overnight.

More of this, less of everything else in this thread.
 
Ok, adding something to the pot since it seems like xrumer isn't sandboxing my site. Let's see if 100k guaranteed blog comments from loopline will. I spread the 100k amongst 5 keywords:


business cards - 58th
business card printing - 63
print business cards - not in top 300
plastic business cards - 11
cheap business cards not in top 300

Let's find out what happens. I'll keep you all posted on when the order is delivered.

I have you on the 4th page today for Business Card Printing, actually @ #43. It seems to have danced back nicely from page 11.
 
guys, just read this article:
TheSpec - The Dirty Little Secrets of Search

according to the article, google has figured out how to combat manipulation of their search algorithm. Widely used by many seo "consultants". Google will drop a sites ranking. eg jc penny was/is doing this and google dropped their ranking....who knows if the people who wrote this know wtf they're talking about, but just thought i'd share.

excerpts:

from the article:

At 7 p.m. Eastern time on Wednesday, J. C. Penney was still the No. 1 result for “Samsonite carry on luggage.”

Two hours later, it was at No. 71.

At 7 p.m. on Wednesday, Penney was No. 1 in searches for “living room furniture.”

By 9 p.m., it had sunk to No. 68.
 
guys, just read this article:
TheSpec - The Dirty Little Secrets of Search

according to the article, google has figured out how to combat manipulation of their search algorithm. Widely used by many seo "consultants". Google will drop a sites ranking. eg jc penny was/is doing this and google dropped their ranking....who knows if the people who wrote this know wtf they're talking about, but just thought i'd share.

excerpts:

from the article:

At 7 p.m. Eastern time on Wednesday, J. C. Penney was still the No. 1 result for “Samsonite carry on luggage.”

Two hours later, it was at No. 71.

At 7 p.m. on Wednesday, Penney was No. 1 in searches for “living room furniture.”

By 9 p.m., it had sunk to No. 68.

The bottom line is Google can't combat manipulation if it's done right. If you have the budget, you can rank for anything.
 
Great thread bro,

I did a similar experiment about a month ago;

I would buy 4 new domains all with the keyword in them, put up a 500 word article, then order 100 social bookmarks to each one, and bompas 100k xrumer blast with ping spread to all 4.

The result,

each one would get up to the top 5 spots for that keyword, make me money - then 2 weeks later receive a -50 penalty.

I did this for a while until I ranked my more solid sites for that keyword, but I've got about 10 sites all with -50 penalties. (if anyone knows anything about this penalty and what I can do with these sites now please share)

Every single time I did it, I received a -50 penalty after 2 weeks. I have a feeling though that this was caused by manual reviews of the site. I have done this for other keywords (which weren't heavily bid on with adwords) and they seem to stick.

Cheers

Naveed
 
guys, just read this article:
TheSpec - The Dirty Little Secrets of Search

according to the article, google has figured out how to combat manipulation of their search algorithm. Widely used by many seo "consultants". Google will drop a sites ranking. eg jc penny was/is doing this and google dropped their ranking....who knows if the people who wrote this know wtf they're talking about, but just thought i'd share.

excerpts:

from the article:

At 7 p.m. Eastern time on Wednesday, J. C. Penney was still the No. 1 result for “Samsonite carry on luggage.”

Two hours later, it was at No. 71.

At 7 p.m. on Wednesday, Penney was No. 1 in searches for “living room furniture.”

By 9 p.m., it had sunk to No. 68.

I'd have to disagree with this, their last Algo change seemed to affect the whole article distribution industry and not any site specifically. It doesn't take a supercomputer or genius to figure out how to target a whole section of the Internet with a -15 to -30 penalty.

JC Penney was outed by the NY Times so Google had to react.

Personally I am not too worried since all my Keywords are relevant to my website and the products that I sell. But I am also not going to go out and do anything too stupid either like JCP.
 
I hit a 1 day old site with over 3 million links within a week one time. The fucker got sandboxed for about 9 months but now it ranks #2 on page 1 in Google (EXTREMELY competitive niche). I should point out that the site ranked well in Bing and Yahoo throughout the sandbox period with Google so it was still bringing in a decent amount of income. Though it seemed to jump from #3 to around #850 for a few months in Bing and Yahoo. The fact of the matter is, links will NOT hurt your site. They'll definitely sandbox it, but they won't hurt it. Now if you're buying links and you get a manual review you might be in for some trouble, but Xrumer/ScrapeBox can't really hurt your site. Though you should try to hit only unmoderated autoapprove blogs with ScrapeBox to avoid problems with Akismet.

Dude, this shit is epic. Unfortunately, I do not have the resources to fire 3 million links in one week LOL.

Also, did you only use 1 anchor text? haha
 
I see you at #44, but it looks like your hosting account got suspended. Fix that before the crappy "suspended" page gets indexed....that will ruin the case study.
 
What I can't understand.... why would you be punished for links??? Google wants the links to be natural... But natural is created by people... How is any of it natural??? What the hell does natural really mean... Manupilation is created by people. News of giant earthquakes would create 100,000's of links to be created. How could this be punished because of an overnight explosion. I believe the -50 or the penality that usually is recieved is just the search engine calculating where to place you in the serps... Its scary when it last months but there is no pressure on google because they dont owe webmasters anything. The process feels like forever but what ive noticed is it always comes back.
 
What I can't understand.... why would you be punished for links??? Google wants the links to be natural... But natural is created by people... How is any of it natural??? What the hell does natural really mean... Manupilation is created by people. News of giant earthquakes would create 100,000's of links to be created. How could this be punished because of an overnight explosion. I believe the -50 or the penality that usually is recieved is just the search engine calculating where to place you in the serps... Its scary when it last months but there is no pressure on google because they dont owe webmasters anything. The process feels like forever but what ive noticed is it always comes back.

If you think the amount of links created and the timeframe are the only signals, you're an idiot.

What about the %age of these links that disapear within a few days? That's a huge signal right here. It screams **SPAM**. There are a lot more signals like this.
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