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Tennessee folks don't fuck around, never have.
Larry Pratt v Piers Morgan (Round 2)
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Tennessee folks don't fuck around, never have.
The local game wardens still come around to the middle schools and teach kids how to handle firearms. The bigger kids got to use 12-Gauges, but back then I was young for my grade, so they handed me a .22 rifle. I finally got them to let me shoot the 12-Gauge, and I had a bruise on my shoulder, but I still hit the target (skeet shooting).
They also make sure all the kids know why TN is the Volunteer State, and if there is an uprising, they'll put that name to the test.
In my mind this is the argument we (all americans) SHOULD be having, but can't because there is no good solution.
Of course we know that the powers that be are controlling the argument 100% and won't ever steer it close to the mental health arena, but if they weren't, we really should be focusing on finding a fair way to keep likely-nutters away from ALL guns while the rest of the public can use ALL guns, including fully-automatics and frigging tanks too.
In fact, short of doing away with the government altogether, I'd like to see the military be taken away from the federal government, given to the individual states. Texas would have the power to secede then if it wanted, and the worst thing any of us could fear from a tyrannical federal government is that our state stops doing business with them. (Which would obviously be a good business move at this point.)
But then I woke up and had some breakfast.
I have a problem with this in general, because IMHO even the most advanced understanding of psychology is pseudo-science.
I'm well aware that there are REAL mental health issues, no doubt.
And I agree that psychotic/violent criminals shouldn't have weapons.
But then there's the problem of "who decides who's crazy?"
Everyone's "crazy" at some point. A relative dies, yeah I get depressed. Sometimes I get nervous or stressed out. Sometimes I have problems focusing.
Everyone does.
That's my problem with using mental health to regulate, any doc can diagnose anyone as "crazy".
The reality is, no matter what happens with the laws, the people who want to use guns for crime/violence will do so, despite the law.
Any further restrictions simply impose on the personal liberty of individuals.
This is 100% right. Not to mention that the psychological and drug industries are constantly trying to push more people in the official 'crazy' category so they can sell them their drugs and services.
If you knew the percentage of people estimated by these biased cunts to have some type of psychological disorder you'd realize that eventually nobody would have gun rights. I've heard many stats but can't remember the exact numbers. But some of the numbers I've heard are above 50 fucking percent. That's right, they want to label over 50% of the people as disturbed in some way (i think in Europe). At some fucking point you can't call a behavior a disorder.. and you have to call it part of normal human behavior.
On behalf of the UK, I'd like to apologise for Piers Morgan. We knew he was shit back in the 80s and have been putting up with him ever since.
We have a hero called Ian Hislop who has been railing on PM for years. Check this:
and if Im being a massive Noob and not embeddin right, here's the link: Room 101(Paul Merton Last Ever) Ian Hislop - Piers Morgan - YouTube
Have I Got News For You is absolutely hilarious. I've not seen any political comedy US shows that quite compare (Daily show used to be alright - imo not great now).
Would love it if Piers Moron ended up in jail some day (he certainly deserves it).
AR15s and AKs account for a absolute miniscule number of murders (Mass murders and otherwise) there's truly no reason to talk about them. Mass murders occur in countries who have sweeping bans on such weapons, and the number of people who are killed in the events aren't statistically different than what we have in the US.
Additionally, plenty of mass murder events have happened in the United States with low capacity, non assault weapons that have resulted in significant death tolls. Out of the worst 6 cases of school massacres in the US, only 1 involved an assault rifle (Sandyhook), 5 involved other weapons - #1 Used explosives, #2 Used handguns, #3 Used an AR (Sandyhook), #4 Used shotguns & handguns, #5 & #6 both used hunting-style rifles (Bolt actions).
Additionally, plenty of mass murder events have happened in the United States with low capacity, non assault weapons that have resulted in significant death tolls. Out of the worst 6 cases of school massacres in the US, only 1 involved an assault rifle (Sandyhook), 5 involved other weapons - #1 Used explosives, #2 Used handguns, #3 Used an AR (Sandyhook), #4 Used shotguns & handguns, #5 & #6 both used hunting-style rifles (Bolt actions).
Canadian here, looking for an honest answer:
1. Are Americans really afraid of their government turning on them?
2. If citizens are limited to pistols and semi's... aren't you already heavily outgunned should the gov't turn on you?
1. Are Americans really afraid of their government turning on them?
2. If citizens are limited to pistols and semi's... aren't you already heavily outgunned should the gov't turn on you?
If you believe that history tends to repeat itself, as it has in cases of democracies slaughtering its citizens, then yes you're weary of that prospect.
I wouldn't underestimate a large number of people with weapons and what's possible.
I find it funny that the same liberal minded people that usually are insulting the U.S. governments deadly mass killings of civilians of other nations (Iraq, Vietnamese, all of Latin America, and much more) laugh when they think of the same deadly government turning that force on their own citizens.
So, in short yes, many of us realize how deadly and fucked up our current gov is and are afraid of it turning their cannons on us. Even if that were not currently the case.. the firearms in the hands of individuals help to protect us against something like that in the future.
Yes, but North Vietnam was heavily outgunned by the US gov in that war. We used 3x as many bombs on North Vietnam as we used during the entire WW2. We used chemical weapons on them. Yet the Vietnamese won with savage weapons and the will to conquer invaders. Pistols and Semi's can go a long way.. especially since the US gov is not likely to nuke it's own land.
-America has the largest prison population per capita on the planet, primarily made up of non-violent offenders.
-America is involved with perpetual wars of aggression by design. My kids most likely will never live in a world where we're not blowing people up in other countries.
-It's projected that by 2016 there will be 30,000 drones, many of them armed, patrolling US skies.
-The US President has assumed the legal authority to assassinate or detain indefinitely any person for any reason.
-The average, law abiding citizen unknowingly commits 3 felonies a day.
-US sanctions on Iraq in the 1990's alone were responsible for the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children. The official statement from the Government is "it was worth it". There are no reliable stats on fatalities from the "war on terror".
-We routinely bomb targets in countries that we aren't at war with. We routinely use "double-tap" drone strikes, a common tactic used by "terrorists" to maximize kill counts by targeting first responders.
-Every year there are more laws and regulations put into place to control the people. Every year our government grows in size.
-Our prisons are big business. There is HUGE financial incentive to keep as many people locked up as possible.
I have to get back to work, that list is far from exhaustive... But it seems to me that anyone with just a hint of situational awareness may look around and think "damn, that's some evil shit. Maybe I should be cautious of them."
I hope it never comes to armed conflict. But it's not like it's unheard of throughout history. Every Government eventually gravitates towards despotism.
If it ever did come down to armed conflict, I'd much rather have a semi-auto and a handgun to defend myself than just wait to be slaughtered without a fight.
Keep in mind, if it ever got to that point, a large part of our Government, police and military would side with the people.
I doubt it'll ever get to that point. But to think that it's impossible is delusional IMO.
I think it's in the State's best interest to keep people content, controlled and productive so I don't see it playing out in armed conflict. Also, tyranny can come in other forms than the Federal Government.
Ok. Joking and messing around aside, why do we have to live in a Country where if you disagree about anything (in this case guns) then you're automatically wrong and an extremist? I'm talking to both Maniac Gun Owners and Hippie Commies who dont have guns.
I personally do not own a gun nor do i ever plan on it, but if someone wants to, then fine. Go through the proper channels, and buy one. You really need an assault rifle to protect your penthouse apartment (mother's basement) ? Cool, but you should have to pay for it.
Samesies for abortions, drugs, etc.
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I personally do not own a gun nor do i ever plan on it, but if someone wants to, then fine. Go through the proper channels, and buy one. You really need an assault rifle to protect your penthouse apartment (mother's basement) ? Cool, but you should have to pay for it.
Samesies for abortions, drugs, etc.
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How the hell is Piers Morgan getting so much airtime? Why don't you just ignore him like we do? He's just a washed-up ex-newspaper editor.
Well I'm not assuming anyone's wrong or calling anyone an extremist, just wanted to hear the opinions on the 2 above questions 
Thanks for taking the time to respond guys.
@wickedjoe, didn't the Vietnamese "win" because the American public demanded the war to end? So I wouldn't consider this example a good one.
The samurai era ended in Japan when their swords and horses were no longer adequate to fight wars against guns. In my opinion, this would be the same situation in America except swords = semi-guns and pistols and guns = I don't know.. hallucinogenics in the water supply or something else that gov't is capable of in mass scale.
My point is, I think Americans should be able to own guns but the fear of gov't turning on you is irrational if you think about how futile the weapons you're allowed to own are.
Thanks for taking the time to respond guys.@wickedjoe, didn't the Vietnamese "win" because the American public demanded the war to end? So I wouldn't consider this example a good one.
The samurai era ended in Japan when their swords and horses were no longer adequate to fight wars against guns. In my opinion, this would be the same situation in America except swords = semi-guns and pistols and guns = I don't know.. hallucinogenics in the water supply or something else that gov't is capable of in mass scale.
My point is, I think Americans should be able to own guns but the fear of gov't turning on you is irrational if you think about how futile the weapons you're allowed to own are.
It all comes down to this: Our guns would ensure the Military has a say.
As long as we have guns, even just handguns with 5 bullets in the clip, we'll fight when the next emperor palpatine becomes the POTUS and does away with congress and the ballot box. (If not sooner.)
At this point, the US military, his enforcers, will be told to go and kill their friends and families, who are resisting his will. As brainwashed as they are, they will still face a serious moral dillemma... And the military would be split if not fully siding with us.
If we didn't have the guns though, we couldn't fight at all, and the military wouldn't be needed to go out and stop us.