Prostitutes & Affiliates - The Cops Don't Care

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“Craigslist has become the high-tech 42nd Street, where much of the solicitation takes place now,” said Richard McGuire, Nassau’s assistant chief of detectives. “Technology has worked its way into every profession, including the oldest.”

I figured that was a good opening line from the article published in today's New York Times. - http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/05/n...8989380-UmwT8nutLjOCAXSSmZ8hfw&pagewanted=all

I had heard some rumors about an article like this being published sometime this week, so I wanted to do some investigating of my own into the matter. I ended up finding out a lot more than any of the law enforcement detectives I spoke to about Craigslist and it's prostitution problem.

But how does this effect Affiliate Marketing and our industry? Well, unfortunately for many affiliates using Craigslist as a spamming haven, your days are numbered. Not because Craigslist will do much more than try to report you to your affiliate network, but because now the police are getting involved. Personally, I'd be A LOT more afraid of getting a call from the cops for pretending to be some hot chick who is looking for someone to signup to talk to her on a dating site than from your affiliate manager asking you to please stop spamming CL with their offers. Because that's going to be the next step, and it's not as far off as you think.

During my search, I picked up TONS and I seriously mean TONS of Craigslist spammer ads. Sure most of them were for prostitutes, but then there were those that were advertising True.com, Match.com, AdultFriendFinder.com, Alt.com, Passion.com, and just about every other dating site offer you could think of. I took a few of the ads I found and traced them to a handful of networks. I'm not going to name them here either, so you're safe for now, but holy shit, you networks need to haul ass in the compliance departments. I didn't bother reporting any of the listings, because I'm not a rat, and I'm sure some goody goody CL user will do it anyway. Plus I was just there to see how quickly it would take for me to find an affiliate using Craigslist as a marketing tool. It took me well under 10 minutes.

When I spoke to some police dept contacts about this, they said straight away that they knew the difference between a prostitution ad and an affiliate spam ad, but that they were going to start treating them instead of being a major prostitution charge, but rather as a computer crime, better explained as a type of FRAUD. A similar charge that has recently ROCKED the industry is that of the Florida State Attorney General's office in which they were investigating affiliates and affiliate networks allowing the use of advertising something that was not free, as a free service because no one told them not to. Sorry, but that excuse is getting old, and all it takes is ONE company to be on the losing side of a civil or criminal suit for that excuse to never be able to work again.

Either way, consider this a warning to the industry. STOP SPAMMING CRAIGSLIST AND STOP USING CRAIGSLIST AS A FORM OF ADVERTISING OFFERS FROM AFFILIATE/AD NETWORKS -- I DON'T CARE WHAT AN EBOOK OR BLOGGER RECOMMENDED, NOW IS THE TIME TO STOP. (real estate is still fine)

There's a great movie called "HEAT" (Al Pacino is a cop and Robert DeNiro is the bad guy). In it, DeNiro's character uses a reall solid line that I often use for myself sometimes --
"Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner." -- Meaning, don't kid yourself and think that just because you are spamming/advertising there and/or think you can push it for just a wee bit longer or let the greed take it's hold on you causing you to ignore this warning. Well, this is the heat coming around the corner, and I sure as hell hope that the affiliates who do spam or use CL as a marketing tool for dating sites or services that promote the chance to have sex, in exchange for paying the service money (while adult sites like these are not considered prostitution, creating an ad that has the user THINK it is, can be mistaken for it).

I've also heard from one great source over the last month or so that the boys over at the FTC are starting to take a long hard (no pun) look at how affiliates market and promote adult dating sites. While for years most of the rumors have been pure speculation, there are ad networks that are starting to be named a hell of a lot more often than usual, and advertisers/adult dating sites that are also catching a lot more attention than they'd probably prefer.

Our industry does catch a lot of bad reps, and that has a lot to do with things like this. I've never claimed to be a role model or some saint. I definitely do not have the ethics and morals most people think I do. I am very drawn to the dark side of advertising and marketing. But I have this thing called COMMON SENSE, and I also learned the hard way, many times, that you CANNOT by any means let your greed factor or warnings like this one get the best of you. Sometimes we only learn by learning something the hard way, and even then it can take one or two times more than we'd like. But when it comes down to it, I do not touch anything that is illegal (even the slightest shred of a chance to land myself in jail) or anything that will harm someone else (physically). Those are my rules and since I've stuck to it, I've been able to distance myself away and literally avoid tons of shit that I've unfortunately seen many friends get sued or locked up over. But I've always sent out warnings, and this time is no different.

Do not for any moment think that I did this for my health or for attention.

Damn right I did it for attention. To get all of YOUR attention to understand that this is your first and only warning. If you think you're smarter, slicker, or untouchable, goodluck to ya, I'm sure your lawyers love people like you.

For you networks reading this... crack down. All of you. Now. I don't care if the advertisers won't find out, or if they say it's okay. Clean your act up.

For you affiliates reading this... Hang up your CL spam tools, go outside and do something productive.

For everyone else... you shouldn't be on Craigslist looking for sex. So go join a porn site or something.

Alright, I'm done.
 


No responses.. does that mean people are actually following my advice and routing this shit out??? Are those pigs I see flying by??
 
I've also heard from one great source over the last month or so that the boys over at the FTC are starting to take a long hard (no pun) look at how affiliates market and promote adult dating sites.

Thanks for the warning, I'm about to look at all my ad copy and images again and maybe tone it down a bit in a few cases.
 
Nice post Jon. Never used craigslist, but interesting shit. Probably safe to assume other countries' police are doing the same thing.
 
No responses.. does that mean people are actually following my advice and routing this shit out??? Are those pigs I see flying by??

We're all busy getting hookers before they really start cracking down.
 
LMFAO
Obviously the person who wrote that is totally clueless.
Escort agency pays for the person's company.
If after said time, the 2 people consent to have sex perfectly legal.
 
Do you think this will translate over to myspace? The same stuff happens there, but I've never heard of someone getting in trouble for it (only heard of the big spammers getting in trouble, and they weren't doing adult).
 
i would like to point out that i have never actually done what i described in my post on how to spam craigslist. could you guys please stop, it was just a joke, ok.
 
I think that was a good post and good read. I think it's scary how there are so many things you think are harmless and couldn't get in trouble for, and next thing you know you could wake up in jail. I've had a bad past as well, and I'm always thinking of ideas and unfortunately some of these ideas that come to my brain are bad ideas, and the messed up part is that, I don't really know that they're bad. We all don't have an RSS feed in our head that updates us automatically with all the new laws being passed, and the law doesn't care if you know or not, they won't hesitate to lock you up.

Just like spam, I'm surprised as to how strict everybody is and how it's against the law. I mean you hear about things that are against the law like, jay-walking and what-not, but these things are looked over. How are you supposed to know if it's a "serious" law or not? I get spam all the time, and would never sue anybody over it. I get so much of it, I'm just kind of "immune" to it, don't read them, just delete, it does bother me, but what am I going to do? I don't have time or the desire to pursue it any further, so it seems like a harmless thing to me. I'm just now beginning to realize how serious it is from what people say about it, or else I would have no idea.

I've wanted to do some similiar stuff on Craigslist, but kept putting it off. Sometimes I try to tell myself I'm too paranoid (think I've smoked too much weed) and that everybody else gets away with it, and haven't heard of anybody else getting "busted" or whatever.

This post reminds me there's really no reason for me to take a chance like this if you value your freedom.
 
Craigslist and other message boards spam sucks. We all know how it works.

Cheap or sexy ad with an email set to suck anyone emailing it into an autoresponder daily.

Lame as hell and no skill. Well except copyrighting.
 
Craigslist and other message boards spam sucks. We all know how it works.

Cheap or sexy ad with an email set to suck anyone emailing it into an autoresponder daily.

Lame as hell and no skill. Well except copyrighting.

Our community and the rest of the world are completely polar opposites. We can see and tell the difference between real and not real posts for the most part. When we come across it, we look at it and marvel at the creativity or uniqueness that the marketer did. When the rest of the world sees it, they believe it.

It may look like shit and may see so unrealistic, but the general population online believe it to be legitimate, and the CTR and profit is pretty significant. The only reason it's so rampant all over the place is because it's obviously working and producing some pretty good numbers for those doing so.
 
Isn't DP calling? Or was it sitepoint? Seriously though things that are simple and require little skill are the things that make the most money. Don't sell um short. You don't have to have a complicated system to not be lame in my opinion, you just have to make coin. By the way isn't that why we're all here?

Craigslist and other message boards spam sucks. We all know how it works.

Cheap or sexy ad with an email set to suck anyone emailing it into an autoresponder daily.

Lame as hell and no skill. Well except copyrighting.
 
I would like to see a list of all the understaffed, overstretched police departments in this country that have the time, resources or inclination to go after affilate marketers who are spamming craigslist.

Because the leaders of every department on that list should be fired immediately for squandering their meager resources.

My guess is that list would be empty. Go after the drugs .. yes, the f*ck'n child predators ... hell yes, prostitution ... looks like they are.

But cops going after affiliate marketers? No, I don't believe it.

Yeah, CL could complain to the networks and get you banned. The worst that will happen is that you don't get that month's commissions.

But in trouble with a task force? No, I don't believe it.
 
this thread is BS.
if a site is advertised as free with a marketer advertising it as free but where all resources on that site require payment, then that site is the one committing fraud, not the affiliate.
when a business commits fraud the ones who put up the posters or handed out the flyers are not the ones arrested.
a dating site can have tens of thousands of affiliates marking the site as free. why would any department or person waste their time knocking off affliates when shutting down the website would kill them all? thats how the fbi nabs drug and crime kingpins. they trace it up to the source.

furthermore, on any given day I can find about five CL posts that suggest or imply selling/asking for underage sex/CP

so post proof of your findings or STFU with your scaring tactics. you probably are just a CL user who is sick of the spam. :1orglaugh:
 
this thread is BS.
if a site is advertised as free with a marketer advertising it as free but where all resources on that site require payment, then that site is the one committing fraud, not the affiliate.

So if a mafia boss offers to sell you a drug and you agree to do that the one to blame is the mafia boss?? I guess the one selling the drugs are also to be blamed. The knew it all along that it is wrong but they keep doing that for money. They all need to be jailed Whatever their reason.

This is my analogy.
 
Haha, the way I see it, they are just fulfilling their status quo without risking themselves on the street.

I would like to see a list of all the understaffed, overstretched police departments in this country that have the time, resources or inclination to go after affilate marketers who are spamming craigslist.

Because the leaders of every department on that list should be fired immediately for squandering their meager resources.

My guess is that list would be empty. Go after the drugs .. yes, the f*ck'n child predators ... hell yes, prostitution ... looks like they are.

But cops going after affiliate marketers? No, I don't believe it.

Yeah, CL could complain to the networks and get you banned. The worst that will happen is that you don't get that month's commissions.

But in trouble with a task force? No, I don't believe it.
 
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