Media Buying Ask Me Anything, Ho Ho Holidays

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I haven't done this in a long time here so I figured I'd bring it back. For the next little bit ask me anything about media buying and I'll spill what I know.

You can also ask me about other random topics which I will answer as I go if I can.

Happy Holidays
 


What campaign tracking software do you use to keep track of your clicks, conversions...
I am using P202 but its limitation on split testing is a pain in ass
 
What campaign tracking software do you use to keep track of your clicks, conversions...
I am using P202 but its limitation on split testing is a pain in ass

When I ran traffic I used Prosper202 in combination with an adserver like SiteScout or AdShuffle. Prosper was more of a fall back for me while the adserver ended up being my primary means of tracking imps, clicks and conversions from my buys and split tests
 
When running on Google Content,
Do You Prefer using KW, Placement, Topic or Audience Targeting

At what point do you begin using conversion optimizer?
 
I've around $250 to invest, can you tell me a descent mobile traffic source.

I am not very new to Mobile marketing, have invested about $1.5k in a traffic source some time ago with a pretty good ROI but it got many competitors while the traffic volume was same so i moved on.

Any suggestions you want to give me?
Have already tested Airpush and figured it out that it requires big pocket($1k atleast to make a profitable ROI), tried buzzcity but the quality is crap, etc tried a few others, with extremely less ROI.

If you can't post it here then PM me.
Thanks!
 
Best place right now to test a new diet offer. It's not Garcinia or Green Coffee and is a straight sale.
 
10 surprising things you found out about media buys once you started spying on others

This is a great question.

1. Brands and affiliates buy a lot differently than anyone thinks, for brands it's not always or even often about ROI (depends on the brand), it's more about top of mind, relevance and placement

2. The amount of advertising that is shown on the wrong inventory country wise is mindblowing. We see american only companies advertising in international countries due to poor targeting all the time

3. People are lazy and don't translate their ads when doing international advertising, it's leaving money on the table

4. Mobile is a big black box. No one knows what's going on there in terms of transparency from a large picture view

5. Mobile is one big circle. The amount of inventory that gets constantly rebrokered is crazy.

6. Direct buys on large sites are huge, the amount of inventory that doesn't make it to ad networks and programmatic platforms is staggering

7. Affiliates are growing up. More and more businesses are pushing entire value chains and owning pieces or the entire chain instead of just promoting another persons product for quick cash.

8. The world of Adult. Having never done any adult advertising before I didn't realize how big of an industry it was before I saw the data we collect on it.

9. Performance is ahead of the curve. The stuff performance marketers do is way ahead of where brands are, it's kind of crazy to see.

10. People don't split test. A lot of people launch one idea and stick with it, the amount of people that don't split test is mind blowing.

When running on Google Content,
Do You Prefer using KW, Placement, Topic or Audience Targeting

When we bought, I liked buying on a keyword basis or placement basis and heavily optimizing what placements it was actually showing up on with huge negative lists and blacklists.

At what point do you begin using conversion optimizer?

I am old school and always optimized by hand on a micro level. I used automatic optimizers from day one on the beginning split tests for general campaign rules.

I've around $250 to invest, can you tell me a descent mobile traffic source.

I am not very new to Mobile marketing, have invested about $1.5k in a traffic source some time ago with a pretty good ROI but it got many competitors while the traffic volume was same so i moved on.

Any suggestions you want to give me?
Have already tested Airpush and figured it out that it requires big pocket($1k atleast to make a profitable ROI), tried buzzcity but the quality is crap, etc tried a few others, with extremely less ROI.

If you can't post it here then PM me.
Thanks!

I have never bought mobile media, so I can't really comment here. Just being honest.

Best place right now to test a new diet offer. It's not Garcinia or Green Coffee and is a straight sale.

Use WhatRunsWhere (shameless plug there), look up what the industry is doing, spot hot placements, test and test some more until you find out whats working. This will cut your up front risk but in the end of the day, you don't know what works until you try.
 
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What is a good idea to understanding mindset of banner ad traffic compared to search/social. Thanks

I try to put myself in the shoes of a consumer, what really would drive me to buy the product. I also look at the demographics, purchasing habits and locations, and any other info I can get on my actual decision maker (The person that buys something from my ad). I also talk to people that are similar if I know then. For me, a direct response ad needs to speak to someone.

Branding wise, it's all about top of mind, so what can I do to make you remember my ad and brand, the best thing that can happen is you talk about it (think the Guinness wheelchair basketball ad, that was great).

Is that what you were asking?
 
I've around $250 to invest, can you tell me a descent mobile traffic source.

I am not very new to Mobile marketing, have invested about $1.5k in a traffic source some time ago with a pretty good ROI but it got many competitors while the traffic volume was same so i moved on.

Any suggestions you want to give me?
Have already tested Airpush and figured it out that it requires big pocket($1k atleast to make a profitable ROI), tried buzzcity but the quality is crap, etc tried a few others, with extremely less ROI.

If you can't post it here then PM me.
Thanks!
At $250 you're going to be in quite a bind most places. Most companies I know in the mobile space require a pretty decent initial payment to get started.
You may want to try Facebook's news feed ads. If you go into the "Power Editor" and edit your campaigns from there you'll be able to make your ads only show up on mobile devices.
I'll dig around some of the mobile networks we cover and see if I can find something that's not ruled by the Zuck's iron fist.
 
This is a great question.

10. People don't split test. A lot of people launch one idea and stick with it, the amount of people that don't split test is mind blowing.

Why do you think this is? I always thought testing was pretty much a given so I'm curious as to why you think some people are so quick to ignore it. Too time consuming?
 
When initially working with someone, how long / much traffic do you buy the first go around, and do you have any standards or formulas you'd like to share with us to increase the success rate with new buys?
 
Why do you think this is? I always thought testing was pretty much a given so I'm curious as to why you think some people are so quick to ignore it. Too time consuming?

I think people are lazy in some cases. They find something that works and test only that, because, hey, it's working. Others just don't know any better (hard to believe but true). Some people just run ads and take it as hit or miss, or have ads handed down to them by an advertiser or brand and are told just run this.

When initially working with someone, how long / much traffic do you buy the first go around, and do you have any standards or formulas you'd like to share with us to increase the success rate with new buys?

When I bought my min buy size was a 5k minimum, this meant there was enough volume there to make it worth my time. Personally I would just test and optimize quickly. Start with a standard split test and never stop testing. For me what made my buys successful was a combination of great offers, being able to lock in low media rates and negotiate great terms.

Here's a little trick, if you negotiate with a high IO price but a great out clause, you can get significant discounts on your media spend. If it's not working, simply activate your out clause.
 
I've heard great things about: Bonadza and Wam Media Group.

Do you recommend these, or other media buying sources


Edit: If you answer, I'll rep you... then cry at you for outing
 
At $250 you're going to be in quite a bind most places. Most companies I know in the mobile space require a pretty decent initial payment to get started.
You may want to try Facebook's news feed ads. If you go into the "Power Editor" and edit your campaigns from there you'll be able to make your ads only show up on mobile devices.
I'll dig around some of the mobile networks we cover and see if I can find something that's not ruled by the Zuck's iron fist.

Yeah mostly they need around $500-$2k min., but i've found 2 networks which required only $5 min.

About facebook i've tried it but i think i did something wrong and burnt some $$ with zero ROI,I just selected the mobile devices that I wanted my ads to be seen on but i didn't knew about targeting newsfeed via power editor.

Thanks a lot for your answer :)
 
Where are some good places to buy traffic in Spain/France?

POF obviously. But seriously, most programmatic sources have inventory in every country, and some of them at quite cheap prices. When I bought international I only bought with large scale due to no knowledge of that market and the native country sites. Does that make sense?

I've heard great things about: Bonadza and Wam Media Group.

Do you recommend these, or other media buying sources


Edit: If you answer, I'll rep you... then cry at you for outing

I've also heard good things. I have never bought through either so I can't comment. I can say that people seem to love WAM

Yeah mostly they need around $500-$2k min., but i've found 2 networks which required only $5 min.

About facebook i've tried it but i think i did something wrong and burnt some $$ with zero ROI,I just selected the mobile devices that I wanted my ads to be seen on but i didn't knew about targeting newsfeed via power editor.

Thanks a lot for your answer :)

There is a difference between a minimum spend and being successful on a traffic source. Sure you can spend $5, but the chances of you making money with $5 or 10 or even 200 on a media buy are low. Capital is needed to test to figure out what works, once you know what's working it becomes how fast can you scale.

are you scraping in-app ads on mobile?

Yes, we scrape android in app advertising intelligence on the mobile side