Reversing Type 2 Diabetes

I don’t think I articulated what type 2 diabetes is properly.

When I said ’Type 2 is where the pancreas is producing too much insulin in response to blood sugar due to insulin resistance.’, what I meant to say is the pancreas needs to produce a lot more insulin in response to an amount of blood sugar vs a non diabetic and this is due to insulin resistance.

So for a non diabetic to bring down X amount of serum glucose, they require Y amount of insulin. For a type 2 diabetic to bring down X amount of serum glucose, they require Y + more insulin. A type 2 diabetic pancreas produces much more insulin than a non diabetic. So for a type 2 diabetic, their serum insulin levels are elevated vs a non diabetic since a non diabetic does not require that high level of insulin to control blood sugar. As the disease progresses, the amount of insulin required to reduce X serum glucose increases also. And when the amount of insulin required becomes too much for the pancreas to produce, external insulin needs to injected.


This is in sharp contrast to a type 1 diabetic who produces little or no insulin.
 


I've spent hundreds of hours over the last few years researching diabetes (both types) and the efficacy of various treatment protocols (conventional and non).*

Most of what I've seen corroborates SeoReborn's posts. The only discrepancy was regarding the definition of Type 2, which SeoReborn addressed in the post immediately preceding this one.




* I don't consider "resources" like WebMD to be credible. Much of their content is outsourced to freelancers. Instead, I read findings from RCTs as well as studies/articles found on the doctor side of medscape. (I also ignore trials that have been fully or partially funded by drug companies.)
 
This is how it is.
Both Type 1 and type 2 are from a lack of ability of the pancreas to create enough Insulin needed to store blood glucose in cells. But much of that lack of ability is also because as you get fatter your cells also get more INSULIN RESISTANT. Which means the insulin that is produced is less effective at doing it's job. One thing that helps majorly with insulin resistance is working out (immediate positive effect on insulin resistance) and losing weight (longer term positive effect on insulin resistance).

Now Type 1 is more serious than Type 2 because your pancreas produces little to no insulin in Type 1. Type 1 is usually more genetic than Type 2 as it can happen at birth/childhood more often, whereas Type 2 is often caused by eating bad with little exercise, fat gain, which causes more insulin resistance (which is bad). The hope for Type 2 patients is that most of their high blood sugar problems is caused by insulin resistance because then their high blood sugar is reversible if they lose weight and low carb.

Now if you define Diabetes as the condition of having high blood sugar (which can cause long term organ damage) then yes it's curable/reversible. As long as you low carb, work out, lose weight and maintain low blood sugar YOU WILL NOT HAVE ORGAN DAMAGE and you will not have other effects of high blood sugar. You can do all of this WITHOUT MEDICATION if you're Type 2, and you can do it with extremely low doses of artificial insulin if you're Type 1. Its really important to realize that all dangerous Hypoglycemic (low blood sugar) instances only happen due to ARTIFICIAL INSULIN INJECTION. This is because, normally, if your blood sugar is low, your body can create it's own sugar through gluconeogenesis. But you can pump more artificial insulin into your body than your body has time to compensate for via gluconeogenesis.. and that's when dangerous hypoglycemia can happen. This is why low carbing, and reducing or eliminating insulin injections completely is so fucking advantagous. Both Type 1 and Type 2 can reduce or eliminate the need for artificial insulin so much, with low carbing, that hypoglycemia is not even a risk factor.

But if you define Diabetes as abnormally low insulin production in the pancreas then it's not quite as curable/reversible as the previous definition. However there has been evidence that occasionally some people's pancreas production has improved after low carbing a long time and giving their pancreas a break. This can happen in some Type 2's.

But either fucking way, low carbing and keeping control of your blood sugar with little to no artificial insulin IS A CURE for organ damage, long term diabetic complications, and every other complication related to diabetes.. including occasional hypoglycemia. Your diabetes basically doesn't exist if you keep low blood sugar. Low carbing is 100% beneficial to Type 1, Type 2, and Prediabetics (probably most of us). You'd be surprised how many of us are prediabetic.. If your blood sugar gets higher than 120 or so 2 hrs after you eat something sugary you're pre-diabetic. And why tempt fate, even completely healthy people should lay off the carbs.
 
MentallyDisturbed, you're living up to your name bro. Calm down and stop yelling like a nutjob. In Type 2, the pancreas is working perfectly fine. In fact, too good, as it's producing more insulin than the body normally needs due to insulin resistance in the body's cells.

Kiopa_Matt said:
No, that's control, not reversal. Even if you manage to maintain your blood sugar levels at a healthy level, you're still diabetic. Stray from your diet, and you'll find that out very quickly.
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If you revert to a prediabetic state, that would be a "reversal" of your condition. It's not a cure, in that if you a predisposed to being diabetic you're still at risk, but eating a Twinkie isn't going to send you into diabetic shock or completely undo the progress you've made.

Kiopa_Matt said:
You're sitting here bitching at MentallyDistubed saying he doesn't know what type 2 diabetes is, but you quite obviously don't either. Are you seriously suggesting my grandpa just needed to eat a bunch of salads, and he could have forgotten about his insulin shots?
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That is what the research would indicate. If you're overweight, lose weight. If you drink a lot, stop. If you eat a crappy diet, stop. Fasting is good for you. Etc. Etc. All of these things working together can reverse Type 2 to the point where you no longer need your insulin shots and can manage your condition through diet and exercise alone.

Kiopa_Matt said:
If you're pre-diabetic or only have a very minor case of it, then yes, you can generally just handle it via diet.

If your diabetes advances a little further than that, many times nowadays doctors will just prescribe you a daily pill and tell you to watch your diet, which is all that's required to keep your body in check.

If you advance past that though, and end up with a more serious case like my grandpa had, then no, you're not handling that via diet or a pill. You need your insulin shots.

Once you cross the line and become diabetic, then you're diabetic for life. There's no changing that. Sure, you can reduce the symptoms and things with proper diet, but you're still diabetic.
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There's not some magic switch in your body that once turned on changes everything permanently. Most people that are Type 2 have had the condition all their lives and their bodies have coped with it, whether they knew it or not. Type 2 diabetes is simply a metabolic state, that can be reversed if it gets out of hand. Our metabolism changes as we get older, to the point where something our body was once able to cope with catches up with us if we don't look after ourselves. If you start to look after yourself and change those things that are major risk factors, then things can return to normal. Simple as that.

Have you got charlesmartel on ignore or something? Did you even read the American Diabetes Association studies? I'm pretty sure they know more about diabetes than anyone else here, and they say it can be reversed.

I'll take their opinion over anyone else's here.
 
I don't understand how people can be so fucking stupid.

Type 1 or type 2 has nothing to do with if your pancreas is producing more or less insulin. With type 1 you need insulin to control your blood sugar. Type 2 is controlling it with diet and exercise.

Hypoglycemia is if you have low blood sugar diabetes (pancreas working too well - too much insulin).

Hyperglycemia is if you have high blood sugar issues (most people - pancreas not working well, not enough insulin. Now there is a type 1 and type 2 hyperglycemia diabetics. Type 1 is insulin dependent and type 2 is not.

That's basic shit guys. If you are diabetic you know that shit if you care anything about your condition to do some research.

I'm seriously done now. This is elementary school shit.
 
Mental, I hope you're seriously done because most of what you wrote is completely wrong.

Part of the problem is that Type 1 and Type 2 are loosely defined. In fact most doctors/researchers on the subject these days perfer to think of it as a sliding scale from Type 1 (little to no natural insulin production, resulting in high blood sugar) to Type 2 (normal or reduced insulin production, and insulin resistance, resulting in high blood sugar). You can go from Type 2 to Type 1 without question if you keep pummeling your pancreas.. it happens all the time.

Remember you're out of the conversation :)
 
WickedJoe said:
Mental, I hope you're seriously done because most of what you wrote is completely wrong.

Part of the problem is that Type 1 and Type 2 are loosely defined. In fact most doctors/researchers on the subject these days perfer to think of it as a sliding scale from Type 1 (little to no natural insulin production, resulting in high blood sugar) to Type 2 (normal or reduced insulin production, and insulin resistance, resulting in high blood sugar). You can go from Type 2 to Type 1 without question if you keep pummeling your pancreas.. it happens all the time.

Remember you're out of the conversation :)
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What you stated is correct and I agree with. I am arguing what these other jackasses are saying that type 1 means your pancreas is working too well and and type 2 is not working well enough. That's bullshit. Type 1 and type 2 is like you said just basically a sliding scale that is for hyperglycemia. I don't understand what's so hard for you guys to understand that's all I've been saying. I even used screenshots and googled it for you so it's right infront of your face? Is your head that far up your ass?

I was diagnosed as type 2 years ago and have been controlling it with diet and exercise just fine. No it does not mean I've reversed it. For the rest of my life I have to watch my diet and exercise (which is a good thing).

You can do all the YouTube shit you want at the end of the day I am diagnosed and I manage my diabetes just fine. BUT WHAT THE FUCK DO I KNOW?!? Am I going to listen to you armchair doctors or my blood reports every 3 months showing my A1C??
 
MentalyDisturbd said:
I was diagnosed as type 2 years ago and have been controlling it with diet and exercise just fine. No it does not mean I've reversed it. For the rest of my life I have to watch my diet and exercise (which is a good thing).

You can do all the YouTube shit you want at the end of the day I am diagnosed and I manage my diabetes just fine. BUT WHAT THE FUCK DO I KNOW?!? Am I going to listen to you armchair doctors or my blood reports every 3 months showing my A1C??
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Yeah, dude, apparently you just need to eat more salad and your diabetes will magically go away.

heh, for fuck sakes...
 
MentalyDisturbd said:
What you stated is correct and I agree with. I am arguing what these other jackasses are saying that type 1 means your pancreas is working too well and and type 2 is not working well enough. That's bullshit. Type 1 and type 2 is like you said just basically a sliding scale that is for hyperglycemia. I don't understand what's so hard for you guys to understand that's all I've been saying. I even used screenshots and googled it for you so it's right infront of your face? Is your head that far up your ass?
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Once again, you're completely backwards.
 
This 65 year old man reversed his type 2 diabetes. You can say his condition is also complicated by having kidney disease. Yet he still reversed it.

No need for bariatric surgery. Just replicate what happens to bariatric patients lifestyle after their surgery - Fasting:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyUwiF4Zoc8[/ame]
 
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No diabetes but looked into the thing

What I got out of it:
Eat low carbs, avoid starchy foods and processed sweet foods
Fast every once in a while
Workout
Eat whole grain rice instead of the refined one
Brown unrefined sugar instead of the refined one

based on your superior knowledge do you think i got it right?
 
After reading through this article I understood why MentalyDistrubd dislikes almost each post I make. He is a classic troll who goes insane if nobody admits his superior knowledge about everything around and keeps disliking their posts afterwards.

If any dislikes from him follow my future posts - I will accept them with gratitude as it will only confirm my point.

As for diabetes - a close friend of mine has one, type2. His condition was so bad hist teeth began shaking and he lost one. When he had to go on insulin shots but he took it seriously. He is now fasting, eating whole grain products, lots of curd, green veggies, consumes absolutely no sugar or alcohol. He also quitted smoking. His blood sugar levels normalised and his teeth&gums are strong again. He developed a remarkable physique, made a lot of new friends in the gym and can impress any girl on the beach or in the night club.

And yes, not a single insulin shot in a year as of now. His diabetes is not cured yet it is at a controllable stage again. He still takes blood tests once each 3 months and they confirm his condition is stable.

I agree to KiopaMatt that elderly people have no other choice as they simply cannot fast or work out as much as it is needed. Theredore, eating on time and taking insuline shots is the most convenient way to keep insuline at bay for them.

Young people still have other options. I hope MentalyDisturbed will succeed in his fight too.
 
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HostZealot said:
After reading through this article I understood why MentalyDistrubd dislikes almost each post I make. He is a classic troll who goes insane if nobody admits his superior knowledge about everything around and keeps disliking their posts afterwards.
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Its a classic case of egotism coupled with cognitive dissonance.
 
Kiopa_Matt said:
And none of us being doctors I'm sure has anything to do with it.
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No thats just an excuse. He dislikes videos like Dr Jason Fung, who is a doctor that helps people day in day out get off their medication/insulin. Its not me talking in that lecture, its a doctor.
 
Kiopa_Matt said:
And none of us being doctors I'm sure has anything to do with it.
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Few doctors take the time to understand the pathophysiology of conditions. As such, few are equipped with the specialized knowledge to recommend treatments that address underlying causes.

It's not entirely their fault. First, there's a lot to learn and little time to learn it. Second, there's security (i.e. lower risk of being sued) in parroting regimens that other doctors recommend.

Here's an example:

Statins are prescribed to treat high LDL levels. The idea is that reducing LDLs lowers the odds of heart disease, which lowers the odds of a fatal heart attack. Back in 2013, the AHA and ACC came up with updated guidelines that made millions of additional people eligible for statins. So doctors felt confident - or more confident - recommending them to their patients.

But lo and behold, scientists are finding that statins cause vascular calcification, destroy mitochondria and hamper ATP production. Moreover, the FDA cleared the drugs based on proof that they meet surrogate, rather then clinical, endpoints.

And here's the punchline: a bunch of the folks on the AHA/ACC panel that came up with the new guidelines have been paid by statin makers (see pages 52 - 55 of this PDF).

That's all to say, don't put too much stock in a doctor's opinion. It is so often misguided. And when all of a doctor's peers are making the same recommendation - e.g. "start taking statins to avoid a heart attack" - it's way easier and less risky to parrot the same advice than go off the reservation.

It's true for diabetes just like statins, antiemetics, NOACs, etc.
 
Oh, for fuck sakes... WF is definitely one of a kind.

So doctors aren't capable of treating diabetics properly, but you and SeoReborn are? I... I'm lost for words.
 
Kiopa_Matt said:
So doctors aren't capable of treating diabetics properly,
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You know very well I didn't say that.

There are many doctors who have gone off the reservation. They are in the minority.


Kiopa_Matt said:
but you and SeoReborn are?
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You know very well I didn't say that, either.

In fact, I challenge you to find one post in my thousands of posts - just one - where I recommend a form of treatment for a clinical condition. I have always refrained from doing so. I always will. :)
 
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