Conversion Death Never Fails !

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snavr

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Every single time I start a new offer ... I've done different niches, LPs, direct linking, short form, zips, sale, AdWords, YSM, FB ... I start to get a couple conversions and then it pretty much instantly dies.

I'm on NBA and I'm running very small volume, but still, statistically it doesn't make sense with all the variations I've tried.

I usually get a couple of conversions right away (5-10%), and then it just dies. I just don't fucking get it.
 


Ever tried running the same offers through a different network?
 
Yea this happens a lot for me as well. You just gotta keep pushing forward until you find something stable.
 
I sent out an email yesterday, the first 100 clicks 66% conversion, the remaining couple of hundred clicks almost no conversion.

You know, networks are concerned about fraudulent affiliates... but what about fraudulent advertisers? They never seem to put any effort into monitoring their practices... or whatever else causes this phenomenon.
 
This happened to me several times in the last 2 months, with email submits on NBA and Copeac. I don't think the network will do anything about this. Just forget about the offer and look further. That's what I do!
 
This happened to me several times in the last 2 months, with email submits on NBA and Copeac. I don't think the network will do anything about this. Just forget about the offer and look further. That's what I do!

Any idea on what's causing this? I really like the short-form submits (3-4 field). If my conversions kept going, I think I could do alright with these.
 
if its zip and email offers youre running, this happens all the time. If its not profitable for them on the backend, then they will scrub you until it is.

For example, i was bidding on the "jonas brothers" and sending it to a email. It was converting well for me, but after a few days, leads stopped comming in all together.
Because 10-13 year old girls dont have money or credit cards to do the incetivized offers that the merchant wants them to do.
 
I've heard from several sources that networks/advertisers will often give you a couple of free leads when you start running an offer to make you think that it's profitable. Don't know if NB does this, but I'm sure some shady zip submit advertisers do.

Tracking for zip/email submits is always iffy, my EPC is all over the place for the same traffic.
 
I've heard from several sources that networks/advertisers will often give you a couple of free leads when you start running an offer to make you think that it's profitable. Don't know if NB does this, but I'm sure some shady zip submit advertisers do.

Tracking for zip/email submits is always iffy, my EPC is all over the place for the same traffic.

I've heard this too and it makes you wonder.
 
You know, networks are concerned about fraudulent affiliates... but what about fraudulent advertisers? They never seem to put any effort into monitoring their practices... or whatever else causes this phenomenon.


It's because advertisers are paying into the system and affiliates are taking it out. Networks naturally have to protect their merchants.
 
It might have been a coincidence but this is what happened to me:

Zip Submit offer was starting out great. After 4 days conversions on the advertiser landing page dropped by 50%. I told my AM about it and that I will have to kill the campaign because I was barely breaking even. The next day conversions went back up to about 80% of what they were in the beginning.

Makes you wonder....
 
speaking of dead campaign I think the campaign I had just died... It's been this way for 3 days now. and yes.. I feel the frustration.
 
I've heard from several sources that networks/advertisers will often give you a couple of free leads when you start running an offer to make you think that it's profitable. Don't know if NB does this, but I'm sure some shady zip submit advertisers do.

Tracking for zip/email submits is always iffy, my EPC is all over the place for the same traffic.

This is what I'm thinking. If this is the case, the whole industry is just asking for a federal fraud investigation. Wall Street can be dirty, but not ALL of it, and not that fucking dirty.
 
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