Plateu'd on my SEO - need advice and suggestion

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TigerUK

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I've pushed my backlink campaign and have done it to death, and yet I Im still #4 (sometimes #5) on my primary keyword.

And #9 on my secondary keyword

and #12 on my tertiary keyword.

ANd it hasn't budged up in a long time.

I don't know where my seo is going wrong, I've got more backlinks the the sites above me, they aren't dmoz/yahoo listed. So I can take them.

I'll pm my url to anyone who wants it to analyse where I'm going wrong, I'd be very greatful to anyone who can lend a hand

Thanks

Tiger
 


get the people over you to place links to your site on theres. ;)
check to see if they have a public comment list.
if not, drop them an email.
 
I'm doing all the usual backlink stuff.

My seo results are stagnant at the moment.

I have over 66 backlinks a lot of them with very good anchor text as well.

I am beginning to lose hope, maybe the free blog/forum commenting campaign has gotton me as far as I can take it.

Maybe it's time to invest in paid dirctory listings and sponsored backlinks.
 
Add a shit load of spammy bad neighbour links to your competitors. Create a few hundred link directories and add a ton of spammy anchor text and links to all of their product pages, submit these directories to google/yahoo at a rate of 2 per day.

Of course, that would be an asshole thing to do, but, you know, they maybe have done exactly the same SEO as you only they are aged more and are more of an authority.
 
66 backlinks is not a huge number. If you're just doing blog comments and forum comments then there's plenty of things to consider that are still free:

article submissions
social bookmarks
free directories
reciprocal links

All of these tactics (especially the last one) can apparently be bad for rankings depending how they are used. However I have see them all providing a boost to the rankings. (maybe in a slash and burn kinda way) and especially the last one over the last few months, believe it or not.

Do your own research and don't take the word of some bloke off a forum though. Use Yahoo! site explorer to check your competitors backlinks... download them into excel and see what tactics other people are using to rank.

Make sure that not all your links point directly to your homepage. You need to get links pointing to your deep-pages also, with decent anchor text.

Have a blended strategy as to where you get your links from, that way your backlinks look less 'spammy'... also try to get thematically created links. That is, links from sites related to your theme are probably going to provide more benefit than links from random sites.

Finally the size of your site will also have an impact on your rankings. If your site is a one pager, then bigger sites with more content are going to rank higher than you. At least in theory.

Of course this could all be terrible advice if you want to be super white hat.

Good luck.
 
I've got 66 backlinks listed on linkdomain:myurl query on yahoo. But I know for sure I've submitted loads more than that. Yahoo only shows some of the backlinks

All my backlinks are manual, theme relevant, on carefully selected forums from dmoz listed websites, and quality article sites comments like hubpages and squidoo. I also have a couple of articles on them as well.

A couple days ago, I added <h2> tags to title every big paragraph on my body text, and it took my ranking up by 4 places. form 12 to 8 on my secondary keyword.

These are basics but I neglected this entirely all this time. :S

Thanks for the tips guys I'll keep on pushing, although I shouldn't complain cos right now my site is giving me a full time wage for very little work.
 
Get a good article spinner and submit a new spin each time to a few hundred article directories. Don't go too fast though...maybe 5-10 spins per week. Always use 3 backlinks in your resource and deep link your site.

Spun articles go a long, long way for rankings. You're basically getting a unique page pointing at your site for every one you post.

SEO certainly works but IMO it takes too damn long. PPC is the way, the truth, and the light. I"ll never go back to SEO.
 
Why do you want to be #1? Because there is a higher number of clicks. But you can achieve that same number of clicks from position #4 by adding some interesting characters to your titles - so they attract attention in the SERPs. Take a look at bluehatseo.com
 
You're right that makes absolutely no sense </sarcasm>

You're a dumbass. Read what he typed. It makes sense, and is worth testing. Think of how much easier it would be to rank #4 and still pull possibly as much traffic as rank #1 (again, would need testing). It would at least be better than ranking as #4 without the cool title to attract traffic, and could hold you up until you reach ranking #1. Oh well, your loss. And if I misinterpreted your interwebs sarcasm, I apologize.
 
For my ecommerce site being in position 3/4 on ppc saw more sales than position 1.

Most people are hunting for the cheapest price, i made sure that after a few mins searching they found my site and made sure i had the lowest prices with the sites above me.

It's nice being in the number one position but will it help with what you're trying to achieve?
 
Hey I think SERPs is weak on my site, this is possibly affecting my ranking because if people aren't clicking on my link then google could downgrade my rankings a bit.

here's the deal, and I'm splt in 2 minds about this.

My title, desc and keyword are optimised for.

Buy [product name]

buy [product name] <-- has 100 seaches a day (I am ranked #4 on this now)
[product name] <--- has 2666 searches a day ( I am ranked #4 on this now for UK searches).

Because my site title is buy [product name], I don't think people who are just searching for [product name] are clicking on the link.

I want to drop off buy from my site title, but this could potentially kill my rankings for that search term.

I also noticed from a few adwords campaigns that people click adwords more when it has a featre + benfit + action words on it.

For instance,

"Lost weight fast! Get your copy of diet doctors" will have a higher CTR than
"Buy diet doctors to help you lose weight"

I will apply this principle of feature + benifit + action words to my site descript and titles tags to see what effect it has on CTR.

I will look up SERPs more to get more hits.
 
My opinion is don't worry so much about a single site. Make 20 more you'll be much better off if you have 21 sites on the first page. Vs. 1 site ranking 1 or 2. The problem with 1 site is google couple change stuff and you could be screwed on a single site. If you have 20 sites you have a chance some will go and some sill stay if there's a shake up. Just my 3 cents based on years of getting beat down 1 site at a time :D
 
Smaxor, while I agree with you that he should diversify, there is definitely value in him continuing to test what affects CTR for a site he's already ranking for keywords with and I'd say he's on the right track.
 
It is most obvious that the top 3 sites have more than what you have or just are aged more. The only way you can beat an aged domain in your target market is to out content and out link it with more deep links to the inner pages as well as the front page.

I would say that is the biggest mistake new SEO guys and gals do. Concentrating on just the home page for links. Big, no, no........................................

Smaxor is right on what he said. You may not have to go big like Smax, but at the very least have 5 sites per niche and have at least 3 target niches or your just setting yourself up for failure. One site blows, you have back up, one niche blows, you have a back up. Always hope for the best yes, BUT ALWAYS AND I MEAN ALWAYS, plan for the worst because in life and on Google, nothing is guaranteed.
 
Quick update, guys.

I haven't implemted the SERPs yet, my site just got ranked higher on all 3 keywords I'm targeting.

I rank #3 on primary and secondary keyword, and #7 on my tertiary keyword.

I've set up a blog side with a keyword stuffed domain, to send traffic from.

I'm still learning about SEO, and have made a lot of time consuming mistakes I've started off with creating lots of static pages on bad domains like 0fees.net and vndv.com that never get ranked, and were immediately and permenantly sandboxed :p

As well as register to over 50+ different forums manually to post up a backlink, some forums would have NO URL POSTING ALLOWED FOR USERS WITH < 10 POSTS rule or something, and I'd spend ages on one forum posting stuff to get backlinks.

This was probably a very google friendly way to get backlinks as other people are unlikely to go through such mundane measures to do this. But it cost me a LOT of time to do.

So I'm keeping this site purely white hat, and it would be a terrible shame to let it get slapped.

My next strategy would be from the immediate edge recommendation, which is to link 5 or 6 web 2.0 page articles from different domains, straddle on the domain strength and directory submit each page. And link all of them to 1 article, and link that article to my site. This should be a good PR experiment, which I hope will give me a PR1 site and some legitimacy to ge to #1 and stay in #1

I'll do all SEO experments, and shotgun submission en masse on my experiment sites purly to get traffic to pass onto my main site.

We'll see how this goes.

It's funny, I thought my SEO plateau'd and stopped working on backlinks for a couple weeks now, I wake up today and check my ranking, and I've moved up in all 3 keywords I'm targeting.

I'm really enjoying it so far, I'm making a minimum £50 a day, and I've made over £200 on some of my good days.

If I was working as an employee, I'd be happy and content with his, but oddly enough I don't even feel like I'm anywhere near my income potential.

:P

Tiger
 
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