CTR Experiment

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ROIShare

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Hey,

So last night and today, I decided to run an experiment on gaming my CTR on Adwords. In hopes that it will overall lead me to top positions for my keywords for a while.

First of all, I took one of my keywords. I bid high enough to remain on the first page. My AD was floating between positions 7-8. I let it run for exactly 3 hours. I just wanted to record the amount of impressions my AD received.

At the end of the 3 hours, I had about 3,000 impressions in my data; 60 clicks.

What I was planning to do, was get my AD to a CTR of 20% on my own.

Once I activated the AD again. I used different IP's to click my AD about 200 times an hour. Within three hours, I had 612 clicks recorded, 3,200 impressions, close to 20% CTR.

Upon examining my AD position after 3 hours. My ad was located above the organic results. I then let it run for 5 more hours. During that time, my CTR bounced down to 15%; and stayed constant at the level.

When I was first doing the impression test on positions 7/8; I was running a 2% CTR; and paying an average of $2.00/click. Once I got above the organic results, I was paying an average of $1.00/click. Also, quality score had gone from 5/10 to 9/10.

Just wanted to point this out to all. If you have good money to burn, then you can easily gain a quick high position, and bank from there.
 
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Sneaky sneaky but how did you manage clicking from all those different IPs? I would imagine if they were all proxies G would catch on pretty quickly.
 
All done through VPN's. I personally didn't click on them, I had my 4 regular workers do so. But all the work was done through private fresh VPN's, and couple hundred through SOCKS.

But yes, every click came from a different IP; that wouldn't trigger as a proxy server.
 
Can you let it run for a couple more days (w/o manual click) and let us know if it stays at that level? ($1 per click with high pos)

What time of the date did you do the test? Notice any advertiser missing during the test time frame (ad scheduling?)

Great test & result, but there is still a lot of variables involved imo

PS. I was afraid this was going to be another dick rolling thread...LOL
 
Jardini said:
Can you let it run for a couple more days (w/o manual click) and let us know if it stays at that level? ($1 per click with high pos)

What time of the date did you do the test? Notice any advertiser missing during the test time frame (ad scheduling?)

Great test & result, but there is still a lot of variables involved imo

PS. I was afraid this was going to be another dick rolling thread...LOL
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Yes, I agree; I could have done a much more intensive research and record my data; but I mostly ran this for a quick test.

I'll surely keep the campaign going, since it's actually performing quite well at the moment. I started it late, probably at around 12 AM. Finished recording impressions results by 3 AM. Then I had my workers get busy from 3 AM - 6 AM, I slept during that time. I woke up, recorded the results. Then let it run. After 5 hours, I recorded that my CTR dropped from 20% to 15%, plus my CPC kept dropping. It stopped dropping once it got to 0.95-$1.00 a click. And now, I made this post.

With advertisers, all I memorized were the three advertisers located above the organic listings. I replaced one of them, and now they are first position on the side. Otherwise, I didn't record any other side advertisers. Don't think it matters. Since it's a competitive keyword. Three full pages of ADs.
 
Nice post. Will definately try this out.

I'm guessing you spent around $1k+ on this. Good for the long term though I guess.
 
i thought it was pretty common knowledge that you have to give google a good chunk of change before you can secure a top position. it's the same on yahoo. their bid prices/estimates are all jacked up initially, but once you start getting those initial clicks coming through at inflated rates, they'll go down fairly quickly... within a day or so. seems really shiesty to me, but i guess it's necessary.
 
Yaxxx said:
Nice post. Will definately try this out.

I'm guessing you spent around $1k+ on this. Good for the long term though I guess.
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The $1k+ spend was a drop in the bucket for me. I guess others can try on a lower scale.

beejeebers said:
Good way to get your account banned.
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Not if your IQ level is above 85.

jenzkc said:
i thought it was pretty common knowledge that you have to give google a good chunk of change before you can secure a top position. it's the same on yahoo. their bid prices/estimates are all jacked up initially, but once you start getting those initial clicks coming through at inflated rates, they'll go down fairly quickly... within a day or so. seems really shiesty to me, but i guess it's necessary.
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Yes, I'm sure everyone knows that. But even then, typically it's hard to even give Google your money, since you may not be getting enough clicks to start out with.
 
WOW smart , but dumb at the same time what the fuck is your problem asshole you are just spoiling the whole system. Whcih by the way is something i would like .
 
This works because of how Google calculates the QS and position formulas. The more clicks an ad receives, the higher it's "quality". Also, if the site is using Google Analytics, the longer the clickee stays on the site (or just the landing page), the more relevant Google considers the ad to have been.
 
ROIShare said:
16% at the moment.
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I do the exact same thing.

Not only do you get more traffic with increased CRT, but your CPC is lower. More volume and better ROI for just sending yourself a few clicks to get these where they should be. ;D

Often, if you have great ad copy, and your in position 7-10+, no one is going to see your ad to even read it. Sure return perhaps will be better since you're not getting click happy people, but the traffic just isnt there. Just being in the top 1-3~ gives your ad better CRT just because some people click the first thing they see, and then see the first 1-3 places first.

Of course, your ad copy can just suck, and your ad will get bad CRT even if in position 1. At times, you just need to give yourself that extra push that get's whatever your doing over that "hump" to get things rolling.
 
Xenon said:
I do the exact same thing.

Not only do you get more traffic with increased CRT, but your CPC is lower. More volume and better ROI for just sending yourself a few clicks to get these where they should be. ;D

Often, if you have great ad copy, and your in position 7-10+, no one is going to see your ad to even read it. Sure return perhaps will be better since you're not getting click happy people, but the traffic just isnt there. Just being in the top 1-3~ gives your ad better CRT just because some people click the first thing they see, and then see the first 1-3 places first.

Of course, your ad copy can just suck, and your ad will get bad CRT even if in position 1. At times, you just need to give yourself that extra push that get's whatever your doing over that "hump" to get things rolling.
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What is CRT?
 
narsticle said:
You are such a scumbag.
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I'm not going to get into another conflict with you. I told you earlier, if you have any problems, then please PM me. There is no reason to post non-relevant links on all my threads.

Mike90 said:
WOW smart , but dumb at the same time what the fuck is your problem asshole you are just spoiling the whole system. Whcih by the way is something i would like .
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Don't really see how it's dumb. Am I somewhat gaming the system? Yes I am. Either way, Google still makes their promised amount off me.

beejeebers said:
Yeah I'd trust this guy...LOL

:costumed-smiley-015
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Please read all my responses on that thread. Please notice how my first three responses were either saractic replies or made for humor.

merlin981 said:
This works because of how Google calculates the QS and position formulas. The more clicks an ad receives, the higher it's "quality". Also, if the site is using Google Analytics, the longer the clickee stays on the site (or just the landing page), the more relevant Google considers the ad to have been.
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Yes, thank you for the ad. Though, that wasn't the reason for the creation of this thread. The reason why I made this thread was to show other affiliates my results when it came to gaming my CTR with concrete numbers.

Xenon said:
I do the exact same thing.

Not only do you get more traffic with increased CRT, but your CPC is lower. More volume and better ROI for just sending yourself a few clicks to get these where they should be. ;D

Often, if you have great ad copy, and your in position 7-10+, no one is going to see your ad to even read it. Sure return perhaps will be better since you're not getting click happy people, but the traffic just isnt there. Just being in the top 1-3~ gives your ad better CRT just because some people click the first thing they see, and then see the first 1-3 places first.

Of course, your ad copy can just suck, and your ad will get bad CRT even if in position 1. At times, you just need to give yourself that extra push that get's whatever your doing over that "hump" to get things rolling.
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That's good to hear. I'm also about to revert to this on all my current campaigns. Typically I align myself in the first three positions on the right side. Now I want to get all my AD's above the orangic results.
 
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