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I have been reading a lot about US laws that have been passed further prohibiting online gambling in the US. It seems that a lot of the gambling companies are choosing to stay away from US traffic, in light of this weeks news

My question is to those who promote online gambling .... What will you run that can take its place?
 


I dont promote gambling affiiiates, but im still keeping a close eye on how this will unfold.

Looks like party poker just suspended real money games

http://www.unitedstatespoker.org/press-releases/partypoker-message

I'm an avid reader of Tyler Cruz's blog, he makes around 7k a month mostly from his site pokerforums.org through affiliates and private ads. So it will be intersting how this effects him as well as other gambling affiliates
 
I think it is ridiculous that some companies are pulling their real money games.
From all the summaries that I've read of the bill, there is a 270 day period from the passing of the bill to when it goes into effect. Also, it is for real money games where the casino has a wager on the game (bj, roulette, etc..) and initial readings by lawyers have said it shouldnt affect online poker, since the casino doesn't have a stake in those games.
 
This is the email affiliates received from PartyPoker today -
Dear Affiliate,

As you might be aware, on September 30, 2006 the United States Congress passed 'The Safe Port Act'. That measure also contained certain provisions, known as the 'Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006'.

On October 2, 2006 we made an announcement regarding the impact the legislation would have on business when, as expected, it is signed into law.

We just wanted to keep you informed about the latest developments, and address any queries that you might have regarding the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006.

What is the impact of the act on our business?

PartyGaming will no longer accept wagers from US customers once the act becomes law.

Customers resident in the United States, or accessing us from the USA will no longer be able to access our real money gaming services. Customers will still be able to use our play money and non-gambling services. They will also be able to cash out their present balance if they wish to.

There will be no impact for non-US customers.

A detailed FAQ on the impact to US customers will be available on our gaming websites very shortly.

What does this mean for affiliates?

We no longer recognize US customers as real money players for our gambling services.

This means that with immediate effect, there will be no per sign up plan revenues accrued for new players from the United States. Percentage Plan revenues from US customers will continue until the point those customers are unable to play for real i.e. until the legislation becomes law.

Your statistics will continue to include US players in the RMP column, though they will not be included in your accruals. Soon after the act becomes a law, the RMP column will be modified to display only non-US RMP, retrospectively starting on October 2, 2006.

Your percentage plan revenues will include revenues from US customers, until the point those revenues stop.

US customers will also no longer be eligible for sign-up bonus incentives. Players who have already received bonuses will be able to cash out a part of the bonus amount, in proportion to the wagering restrictions that have been met.

Will I be able to cash out my earnings as usual?

Your September 2006 accruals will be processed on schedule, and you will be able to cash out your earnings as usual.

What does PartyPartners still have to offer me?

By remaining a part of PartyPartners, you will continue to enjoy the benefits of PartyGaming's aggressive brand marketing strategy in non-US markets. PartyPartners will continue to offer you the best returns for your traffic, and has an excellent reputation for trust and integrity.

Will affiliates from the USA continue to be allowed to be a part of PartyPartners?

The restrictions apply only to customers located in the USA. There are no new restrictions that prevent affiliates based in the USA from promoting PartyGaming brands to non-US players.

You can also look at the PartyGaming Press Release on this topic for further details at www.partygaming.com

Please feel free to contact your respective account managers in case you have any further queries, and they will be glad to address them or alternatively you can write to us at affiliates@partypartners.com


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i read tyler's blog too. it seems like a lot of his revenue comes from private ads he secures himself. so, perhaps he can salvage his income a bit better consider it's not mainly from affiliates
 
trigatch4 said:
i read tyler's blog too. it seems like a lot of his revenue comes from private ads he secures himself. so, perhaps he can salvage his income a bit better consider it's not mainly from affiliates
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If you take a look at the ads, they are trying to get users to sign up to thier individual poker networks. If US players arent able to deposit money into poker accounts anymore, why would poker networks continue advertising on the site?
 
this bill doesn't stop online gambling. it slows it down a lot by not allowing deposits with your credit card. for the people that still want to gamble online, they just have to use another deposit method, like western union.
 
projectdwhl said:
this bill doesn't stop online gambling. it slows it down a lot by not allowing deposits with your credit card. for the people that still want to gamble online, they just have to use another deposit method, like western union.
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Yeah I thought that too.. but it looks like the big operators will not be accepting US customers anymore, they are worried enough to not even try to take US money at this point.

The interesting thing is if you go to 7search and look at the top 100 high bids, 97 of them are gambling related.
 
projectdwhl said:
this bill doesn't stop online gambling. it slows it down a lot by not allowing deposits with your credit card. for the people that still want to gamble online, they just have to use another deposit method, like western union.
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That is 100% false...

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“No person engaged in the business of betting or wagering may knowingly accept” any money transfers in any way from a person participating in unlawful Internet gambling. This includes credit cards, electronic fund transfers, and even paper checks.

You can read more of the analysis by Legal professor and gambling scholar I. Nelson Rose here...

Poker Affiliate World Legal Analysis of Unlawful gambling Act

Not all poker sites are cancelling affiliate account either. Many are stating "Business as Usual" until the 270 day waiting period passes on this bill. Besides, it's not law YET as the president has not signed it.
 
This should be a heads up for people who are in adult as well. In another year or so it wouldn't surprise me to see another bill passed that outlaws a lot of adult sites. It may sound crazy now, but the groundwork is already being laid for this. I don't know what the fuck is going on in the U.S.
 
Jack Swift said:
This should be a heads up for people who are in adult as well. In another year or so it wouldn't surprise me to see another bill passed that outlaws a lot of adult sites. It may sound crazy now, but the groundwork is already being laid for this. I don't know what the fuck is going on in the U.S.
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That was a big concern when John Ashcroft was appointed as Attorney General, however, nothing much came of it.

You are right though that things could change...but hopefully not.

You really want to know what is going on...too many "career" politicians worried about the wrong stuff for the wrong reasons. The first change we as Americans should make is to put term limits on the Congress and the Senate, much like the President and state Governors have. Secondly we should actually start convicting all the crooked ones and setting presidence that it is NOT ok to do what they did! Hell, if a senator can get away with DUI manslaughter, stealing millions, drug possession, so should every other American then!

Besides, those fuckers should have to work for a living too just like every other red blooded American! The way I see it now they aren't "working" for me!

Here's a quote from a TRUE American patriot that us modern Americans need to take to heart, because it accurately descirbes what our government is doing today!

“When so ever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends – life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it and to institute new government.” Thomas Jefferson
 
Jdog said:
So, could someone still gamble online via an overseas proxy?
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Well, it won't matter since you won't be able to fund the account.

....and the companies will no longer accept bets placed via credit cards with U.S.-based billing addresses. The bill is designed to target financial institutions that work with online gambling companies (NETeller and others).

If the bill does pass (which looks very likely) it will be better outlined which companies are affected and how.
 
I think this law will open up a whole new area for banking. Think about it. the law is US based. And as someone who gables both on and offline .. where there is a will there is a way.

Some company can begin offering overseas accounts online. Convert your US dollar to lets say Yen, so you can deposit your Yen in to your party poker account. Then the same bank converts your yen back to US dollars. The initial bank that converted your funds purpose but rather a currency trade, similar to how people trade currency in the public markets.
 
Yeah. There is always a way, especially when it is something so profitable.

An example is Pachinko in Japan:

"... Under Japanese law, cash cannot be paid out, but there is virtually always a small exchange centre located nearby (or sometimes in a separate room from the game parlor itself) where players can conveniently exchange tokens for prizes for cash. Such pseudo-cash gambling is theoretically illegal but from the sheer number of pachinko parlors in Japan it is clear that the activity is at least tacitly tolerated by the authorities."

The ones who find the loopholes are going to be rich.
 
mkrongel said:
I think this law will open up a whole new area for banking. Think about it. the law is US based. And as someone who gables both on and offline .. where there is a will there is a way.

Some company can begin offering overseas accounts online. Convert your US dollar to lets say Yen, so you can deposit your Yen in to your party poker account. Then the same bank converts your yen back to US dollars. The initial bank that converted your funds purpose but rather a currency trade, similar to how people trade currency in the public markets.
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There will no doubt be loopholes in the bill that people will find around and still be able to gamble online from within the US. But from a players perspective it's going to keep the mainstream out and the majority of the "fish" players out of the pool. The competition will definitely increase as the weak and uneducated can't find an easy way to fund their money. This equals better players with lower odds of winning.
 
scott said:
That is 100% false...

§5363
“No person engaged in the business of betting or wagering may knowingly accept” any money transfers in any way from a person participating in unlawful Internet gambling. This includes credit cards, electronic fund transfers, and even paper checks.

You can read more of the analysis by Legal professor and gambling scholar I. Nelson Rose here...

Poker Affiliate World Legal Analysis of Unlawful gambling Act

Not all poker sites are cancelling affiliate account either. Many are stating "Business as Usual" until the 270 day waiting period passes on this bill. Besides, it's not law YET as the president has not signed it.
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actually gambling online has always been illegal. so essentially, it's still the same thing. online gambling will not die, there will always be other means to fund accounts, get around IP blocking and what not.
 
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