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First off, I'm a noob to getting indepth with aff marketing. I've used AdWords before for business marketing, so I'm familiar with that part of it... but when it comes to specifically aff marketing, I'm a noob. I've spent a good couple hours just reading stuff* and my question is: in your opinion, do you think (or know??) if it's possible to make decent money without creating your own actual website, and relying on solely using your ad to link directly to your aff page? I hope that makes sense what I'm asking. I don't want to have to fiddle with making an actual website, and worry about paying for hosting, etc. It just seems like if you are a publisher for a worthwhile company, that your aff page should be enough to keep the customers attention. And if not, then you shouldn't be working with that company. Right? Or am I missing something here?

*Yes I know all of you suggest to stop reading & just go out there and do it, but I need a couple things covered first before I just try my shot at AdWords again and loose my ass this time.
 


Aren't you just referring to direct linking? Of course you can make decent bank with that. I recall some kid in high school making a post on WF about pulling $1k daily doing just that. With some offers, however, having a "pre-sell" does wonders (think: weight loss). Whether or not one is needed depends on the offer to be honest.
 
Mr. Websites said:
Aren't you just referring to direct linking? Of course you can make decent bank with that. I recall some kid in high school making a post on WF about pulling $1k daily doing just that. With some offers, however, having a "pre-sell" does wonders (think: weight loss). Whether or not one is needed depends on the offer to be honest.
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Well as long as what I was asking made sense to you, then yes that's probably what it's called. Where all you do is pick your products & create your links, do your Google ads, and link the Google ads to your aff page for them to order the item. No messing with making a website, etc.

What do you mean by having a pre-sell? In the example of weight loss are you talking about those ads that advertise one thing (a workout machine), and then have an upsell of a drink???? If I'm not on the right track can you please clarify? Thanks!
 
I don't have a problem with hosting sites, but generating landing pages is a pain in the ass. If there's a method of selling without landing pages I'm all ears.
 
sexislikemoney said:
Well as long as what I was asking made sense to you, then yes that's probably what it's called. Where all you do is pick your products & create your links, do your Google ads, and link the Google ads to your aff page for them to order the item. No messing with making a website, etc.

What do you mean by having a pre-sell? In the example of weight loss are you talking about those ads that advertise one thing (a workout machine), and then have an upsell of a drink???? If I'm not on the right track can you please clarify? Thanks!
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Direct link = directly linking the customer to the sales page. Adwords ad will direct link to the full page campaign you are trying to earn money from.

Landing page = an intermediate step that allows you to prime the pump. If you customer isn't buying thru direct linking, you might need to warm them up a little bit. "I'm sally, and this is how I lost 25lbs." fill in the story, and then provide a few links to the sales page. The idea is, instead of finding a product they can say no to, they read your landing page, and get a warm fuzzy feeling inside. That sally is real, and your potential customer can not only trust her, but rely on her advice. "buy they berries bitches"

the lading page is a "pre-sell"

Upgrading the product, or multiple sales is considered an "up-sale" eg. "would you like to biggie size that order?" or "You did want leather seats with heaters in that new BMW, didn't you?"
 
From what ive read so far, regarding things like QS, and the chance to talk the potential customer into doing what you want them to do i think the idea of using a landing page is better.

I also think a domain and hosting are minimal investments, if your willing to invest time into researching i feel its equally important to buy a domain, host your landing pages and do it that way.

Im just starting and i wont be direct linking.
 
A lot of times you're gonna find that direct linking, while not verbotten in Adwords, is difficult. The biggest reason is, that by Google rules, only one ad for each landing page (in this case, the advertiser's page that is reached via your aff link) per keyword will be shown.

So if you and 100 other guys are bidding on "secret sauce", and you're all direct linking to seceretsauce.com, the guy with the max bid will be shown and the rest eat his dust. Very expensive dust, because that n00ber will have to pay out the wazoo for "seceret sauce", since he's bidding against the other 100 guys.

That's why landing pages work mo bettah in most cases - lower CPC, more control over QS, and you can push the sale.

Tip: if you are gonna direct link, 1) really research your keywords and competition well, and 2) test the Content Network in a seperate campaign from Search Results (apples and oranges in terms of traffic).

Tip #2: Google is not the entire PPC universe, there are other networks with smaller sticks up their ass.
 
sexislikemoney said:
First off, I'm a noob to getting indepth with aff marketing. I've used AdWords before for business marketing, so I'm familiar with that part of it... but when it comes to specifically aff marketing, I'm a noob. I've spent a good couple hours just reading stuff* and my question is: in your opinion, do you think (or know??) if it's possible to make decent money without creating your own actual website, and relying on solely using your ad to link directly to your aff page? I hope that makes sense what I'm asking. I don't want to have to fiddle with making an actual website, and worry about paying for hosting, etc. It just seems like if you are a publisher for a worthwhile company, that your aff page should be enough to keep the customers attention. And if not, then you shouldn't be working with that company. Right? Or am I missing something here?

*Yes I know all of you suggest to stop reading & just go out there and do it, but I need a couple things covered first before I just try my shot at AdWords again and loose my ass this time.
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This guide here spun me into many different profitable niches from selling meat, lawn equipment, top spinners, etc.
 
You also need to consider that Google doesn't allow direct linking with affiliate links because the destination URL isn't the same as the display URL. If you want to be able to direct link with Google, you need to get creative and risk a ban by going around their rules.

If you're using most other sources though direct linking is fine, you might just find that preselling works better. If you're not willing to shell out $8 for a domain and $10 a month for shared hosting, affiliate marketing is not for you.
 
hannahmcintyre said:
You also need to consider that Google doesn't allow direct linking with affiliate links because the destination URL isn't the same as the display URL. If you want to be able to direct link with Google, you need to get creative and risk a ban by going around their rules.
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What about domain masking? Like using tinyurl. Does that still fall under banned? Because in that case the displayed URL in the ad would be the same as the URL it links to. I can honestly say even after the time I've spent reading about things, I have not yet once come across anything that warned about direct linking with Google, with the possibility of getting banned, I really had no idea. Or what about even paid domain masking? Does that violate TOS?

And I've noticed a few have said to go with a landing page... now in the case of ClickBank, off the top of my head I don't think I've come across any products that *don't* link to a landing page. And in that case I don't have to worry about dealing with making one, paying for it, etc.
 
sexislikemoney said:
What about domain masking? Like using tinyurl. Does that still fall under banned? Because in that case the displayed URL in the ad would be the same as the URL it links to. I can honestly say even after the time I've spent reading about things, I have not yet once come across anything that warned about direct linking with Google, with the possibility of getting banned, I really had no idea. Or what about even paid domain masking? Does that violate TOS?

And I've noticed a few have said to go with a landing page... now in the case of ClickBank, off the top of my head I don't think I've come across any products that *don't* link to a landing page. And in that case I don't have to worry about dealing with making one, paying for it, etc.
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It doesn't matter. If you have a tiny url, say http://www.tinurl/4545454 and it redirects to http://www.nbjump.com/343895 which redirects to http://www.awesomedatingoffer.com, Google will not accept it unless the display URL is awesomedatingoffer.com, which most offers don't allow.

If you do it once, just to test, Google won't ban your account, but you'll see that the ad is almost immediately disapproved.
 
hannahmcintyre said:
It doesn't matter. If you have a tiny url, say http://www.tinurl/4545454 and it redirects to http://www.nbjump.com/343895 which redirects to http://www.awesomedatingoffer.com, Google will not accept it unless the display URL is awesomedatingoffer.com, which most offers don't allow.

If you do it once, just to test, Google won't ban your account, but you'll see that the ad is almost immediately disapproved.
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Hmmmm, I completely believe you... but I must say before you even responded I had a AdWords campaign already running with a tinyurl. I haven't gotten anything from it yet, but then again I threw it together in a couple minutes without putting a whole lot of thought into keywords and put a budget of $2/day lol. I did the $2 because this campaign was kind of for the hell of it, to see if anything happens. Haven't gotten any clicks, so at least I haven't lost any money yet lol. Maybe because it hasn't gotten any clicks is why it hasn't been flagged??????

Also, I'm still a little confused about your example. Are you saying awesomedatingoffer.com is supposed to be the display URL in the ad, or the displayed URL after you click it?? Because if you are referring to that the display URL & destination URL need to be the same in the ad, then that is what I did. (Yeah I know that's probably why I haven't gotten any clicks since I used my tinyurl, but then again I did say I only did this campaign for the hell of it to see if it goes anywhere).
 
hannahmcintyre said:
It doesn't matter. If you have a tiny url, say http://www.tinurl/4545454 and it redirects to http://www.nbjump.com/343895 which redirects to http://www.awesomedatingoffer.com, Google will not accept it unless the display URL is awesomedatingoffer.com, which most offers don't allow.

If you do it once, just to test, Google won't ban your account, but you'll see that the ad is almost immediately disapproved.
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Hannah

Thought I read in thses forums (somewhere) that the destination URL could point to a tracking site and redirect from there to the proper landing page without annoying Google, is this no longer the case?
 
you are an imbecile with no imagination, go away

stussy5555 said:
This guide here spun me into many different profitable niches from selling meat, lawn equipment, top spinners, etc.
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BTW, another reason for avoiding direct linking with adwords is Quality Score. You'll end up high cpc with a crappy QS.
 
maffs said:
Hannah

Thought I read in thses forums (somewhere) that the destination URL could point to a tracking site and redirect from there to the proper landing page without annoying Google, is this no longer the case?
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This is still the case, but a tracking site will not mask the final URL.

If your tracking link is http://www.tracking.com/track?kw= and it then redirects you to http://www.directlinkedoffer.com, unless you have http://www.directlinkedoffer.com as your display URL, which goes against the terms of most advertisers, Google won't allow it. This is exactly the same concept as I explained above but with different links.
 
Yup, what Hannah said is right. You could get away from this by iframing the offer, but that would only give you a longer time before Google find out, and you also have to worry about the advertiser not liking iframes.. You can always go the Yahoo/Adcenter route as well..
 
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