Getting a site designed and coded separately. (What do I need to know?)

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As someone who does not use a cms and WHO DOES DO his own design & programming I can tell you for a fact that it's child's play to get design & programming separate. The designer does not have to know a damn thing about programming .. the programmer should not have to deal with any photoshop.


If my designer gave me a graphics file without cutting it up and making an initial HTML/CSS template out of it, I'd punch him in the fucking teeth. I don't pay designers to give me pretty little graphics files. I'd rather fork up the extra $50 and have a ready-to-integrate website template delivered to me, with an editable layered graphics file to boot. And the fool better not hardcode any keywords or keyphrases into the graphics.

And that's all I have to say about that. :music07:
 


perhaps you missed #1 above

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1. designer creates template (photoshop, stock css, whatever) and gives you final html

That means he did make an html/css template out of it. I personally just prefer to use open source templates and simply change the colors/layout/graphics to fit my taste ... a totally unique & custom theme is very overrated.
 
There can be huge advantages to having the PSD as the programmer. You can't expect teh designer to know how to cut it correctly so you can integrate it into a design properly. You'll find yourself wasting a lot of bandwidth if you go that route. But do whatever works I guess. I'm pretty anal about optimization so that's my prerogative.
 
perhaps you missed #1 above



That means he did make an html/css template out of it. I personally just prefer to use open source templates and simply change the colors/layout/graphics to fit my taste ... a totally unique & custom theme is very overrated.

That's assuming the designer knows how to properly slice up an xhtml shell/template to begin with that works in all browsers despite the various differences.
 
I personally just prefer to use open source templates and simply change the colors/layout/graphics to fit my taste ... a totally unique & custom theme is very overrated.


Wouldn't be much of a coder if you didn't know how to do it without the pre-built templates. Especially if something went wrong. Also sometimes a PSD design isn't going to just simply fit into a preconfigured template layout. A typical 2/3 column wordpress with just space for a header maybe... but most custom design that people pay for, not really.

Some people are just fine with having a prebuilt template, slap in a header, change color scheme and css a lil, and etch in your own copyright at the bottom. But for more discerning clients, the need to know how to make a site from scratch can be crucial.
 
That's assuming the designer knows how to properly slice up an xhtml shell/template to begin with that works in all browsers despite the various differences.

I honestly don't care about the obscure browsers. IE, firefox & safari (if I'm feeling good) ... I've stopped checking IE6 these days. The funny part is that your clients, for the most part, only care about their personal browser and really don't even consider cross browser compatibility (most haven't even heard of firefox). Besides, doing things my way (taking open source designs and hacking them out) you're site will look good in ALL browsers without even trying. Most of the guys putting the css templates out have checked in 99 different browsers, you're safe using their shit.

Wouldn't be much of a coder if you didn't know how to do it without the pre-built templates.

Difference #1: We must have very different definitions of what a coder is. I don't even consider html/css to be coding anymore ... unless I'm hacking a template generator. I'd certainly never hire a programmer and ask him to do any html stuff. To think that a programmer's not any good unless he could design, splice & implement a psd ... poppycock

Especially if something went wrong. Also sometimes a PSD design isn't going to just simply fit into a preconfigured template layout. A typical 2/3 column wordpress with just space for a header maybe... but most custom design that people pay for, not really.

Some people are just fine with having a prebuilt template, slap in a header, change color scheme and css a lil, and etch in your own copyright at the bottom. But for more discerning clients, the need to know how to make a site from scratch can be crucial.

Difference #2: I don't do clients and I wouldn't build around wordpress ... and wouldn't consider making another design layout for a picky ass customer, fuck that. I was merely giving my suggestions to the OP as to how to separate designing and programming ... the easy way.

No doubt your custom 3 column wordpress theme is more of "award winning material" than my hacked out css template. You might get a plastic trophy for a weeks worth of work ... I'll build 100k pages from scratch in an afternoon and start profiting next week. Fair deal in my books.

I deal with strictly with ROI (with 98% of my investment being time) so the advice I giving was, from my perspective, the best way to handle his problem.

If a designer splices up a psd and outputs to html ... I can turn the result into a template driven layout (simple header, menu & footer with the body being the actual page) in 20 minutes that will allow your programmers to hack without worrying about design.
 
I honestly don't care about the obscure browsers. IE, firefox & safari (if I'm feeling good) ... I've stopped checking IE6 these days.

I wasn't even talking bout browsers outside of the three you mentioned.

Difference #2: I don't do clients

Everyone, take note of this, when the OP (a potential client) is asking about obtaining services from 1 or 2 separate individuals catering to clients.
 
The OP is using 99 designs, which clearly means it's not going to be some layout-oriented design. He obviously wants something that looks and feels good. In this case I think the programming side is important because if you have a buggy page that looks good, it's going to stop looking good pretty quickly.
 
The OP is using 99 designs, which clearly means it's not going to be some layout-oriented design. He obviously wants something that looks and feels good. In this case I think the programming side is important because if you have a buggy page that looks good, it's going to stop looking good pretty quickly.

Think... frog in a blender. :D
 
AJAX graphs Company called dundas visualization appears, at the moment, to be the trick

I'm not sure what your exact needs are but take a look into amCharts .. flash charts will be a little more stable than ajax charts and have about the same user reach with no cross-browser issues ... it's flash, you either have it or you don't. amcharts default to a flat png/jpg file if flash is not supported so win/win.

Also, amcharts will let you download and use their stuff for free ... pay when you want to get rid of the link. I've developed with it before, just feed the flash file xml or csv data and it creates charts effortlessly. They also offer a license for unlimited domains.

Everyone, take note of this, when the OP (a potential client) is asking about obtaining services from 1 or 2 separate individuals catering to clients.

That sentence doesn't really make sense to me ... are you saying I was trying to get a job?

Unripe, I'm sorry but I wasn't treating you as a potential client, just looking to drop 2c on the table to help you manage the workflow between these 1-2 separate individuals ... I don't want to be one of them though. If I came across as giving you a sales pitch, sorry to tease ... it wasn't intentional.
 
That sentence doesn't really make sense to me ... are you saying I was trying to get a job?

I mean the advice you gave doesn't really quite fit with what the OP was asking. Since the OP doesn't do his own coding (that I know of) and as a result might not fit into the whole bit about finding a separate designer and programmer for what he needs to get done.

You do what works for you obviously, but the advice dispensed probably wouldn't work for him, unless he knew some markup, and was doing the same as you. Otherwise he's going to be looking for either a jack-of-all-trade designer, or two separate folks, both catering to clients rather than themselves such as you. So when we're talking bout 'catering' to clients, who's advice do you think is going to carry more weight?

And no, I did not think you were trying to pitch/get-a-job, just simply stating your workflow doesn't make too much sense in this particular situation, at least in the way the OP would use it without any markup (since you don't consider html/css as part of "coding"), design expertise.
 
I mean the advice you gave doesn't really quite fit with what the OP was asking...

... but the advice dispensed probably wouldn't work for...

... your workflow doesn't make too much sense in this particular situation ...

I'll hold your hand and walk you through this one more time KB, but after this you are on your own. The OP can take whatever advice he wants.

What do I need to tell the designers to insure compatibility with the programming that comes later?

A: Give me a well formatted final html file with all images and style sheets in folders ... DO NOT just hand me a psd file and walk away

Will the designer be able to freely create my vision without worrying about the design's compatibility with the programming to come?

A: yes, once the final layout is done, tell your programmer to break the html apart into sections (header, menu, footer) and just include() them on each of the pages he is programming. Since this is a 100% custom site, breaking your design apart like this makes sense .. smarty, wordpress themes, etc. look like a ton of garbage when you check out the files/folders. Having your design broken up into a few sections (instead of dozens of files) will bring sanity & organization to your site.

The design is now separate from programming. This method of coding is very clean and readable for future designers/developers ... it's also stupid simple to make a change in one file and it filters throughout the whole site. Need to change a link in the footer ... go to footer.php and make the change

Yes the programmer will need to be familiar with things like the <p>, <ul> & <li> tags and yes, he'll end up using them on each page but the styling and layout for these tags will be handled by your designer. Understanding how to use simple tags is not design or programming, it's common sense

But seriously OP, do whatever you feel is best .. I'm just handing out some free advice I've stored up from the past decade.
 
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