What Can The Networks Do Better? Thats Right The Networks Should Be Taking Notes!

[ROIShareTeam]

Oh that was so not the right response....

I'm just getting somewhat uncomfortable that he is viewing network's as people that are only supposed to be handing over the paycheck, when we really do take a lot of on our backs, and do our best to ease any conflict or problems forced on the affiliates by advertisers or consumers. I mean if you are appreciating the fact that we will take all the blame for things, and still cut you a payback when we are not paid, then we are to some level morally allowed to ask affiliates to follow a simple rule or two. No offense man.

 

[bb_wolfe]

I'm just getting somewhat uncomfortable that he is viewing network's as people that are only supposed to be handing over the paycheck, when we really do take a lot of on our backs, and do our best to ease any conflict or problems forced on the affiliates by advertisers or consumers. I mean if you are appreciating the fact that we will take all the blame for things, and still cut you a payback when we are not paid, then we are to some level morally allowed to ask affiliates to follow a simple rule or two. No offense man.

To plagiarize Ryan Eagle: Fuck you pay me.

 

[xmcp123]

Xmcp123, when you join a network, you are confined to at least some rules. Those who have a problem following some simple rules will obviously leave, but those who have no problem spending an extra second or two will stay. Depends on the type of person you are.

Fail again. Rules are created to protect the ROI of the merchant and to protect the legal interests of the network.
They have a purpose other than wasting time and effort. This does not. This (possibly) helps competitors and is a waste of time(definitely), and doesn't protect the merchant or the network.

Then it becomes a mutual situation. You're stats help other affiliates make better decisions in choosing offers, and their stats help you make better decisions in choosing offers.

I'm not trying to get hostile or anything, I just want to get some more in-depth criticism on this.

This isn't a hippy commune.

But either way, I'm not in favor of taking the wrong link. I'm in favor of not giving a fuck.

 

[ROIShareTeam]

Fail again. Rules are created to protect the ROI of the merchant and to protect the legal interests of the network.
They have a purpose other than wasting time and effort. This does not. This (possibly) helps competitors and is a waste of time(definitely), and doesn't protect the merchant or the network.
This isn't a hippy commune.

That's a different subject, my main point being is that networks should morally be able to enforce a couple harmless simple rules especially if they are taking the fall for affiliates constantly.

Who is wasting time, and why so?

If you don't give a fuck, then I don't know how it would pertain to you. Any rules that are set by a network shouldn't adjust the way you run your campaign, unless it's going against an advertiser's compliance. If you're a legit affiliate, then you follow all rules naturally.

 

[andyt]

I'd have no problem with networks enforcing affiliates to use the right links, but one thing I'd like to see is for it to look nicer when you go to get the links. I want to enter my promotion type and just be presented with a link that includes a subid. the direct track layout for getting links and knowing where to put the subid is horrendous.

If a network was really smart they would work with Wes Mahler to try and build a plugin for prosper202 since it's open source that lets affiliates setup offer links directly from prosper202 since that would save alot of time for affiliates and also get you a bunch of new affiliates.

I actually wish I cared about this topic less so I wouldn't keep refreshing this thread but there are so many things that could be improved to make all of this so much easier and more time effective for us all.

 

[xmcp123]

That's a different subject, my main point being is that networks should morally be able to enforce a couple harmless simple rules especially if they are taking the fall for affiliates constantly.

No, that's why networks get paid.

If you don't give a fuck, then I don't know how it would pertain to you. Any rules that are set by a network shouldn't adjust the way you run your campaign, unless it's going against an advertiser's compliance. If you're a legit affiliate, then you follow all rules naturally.

Ok. I've been holding back a bit up until this point. But I'm going to share why networks don't get any degree of leniency from affiliates.
It's because of people like you.
Networks don't get very much trust because there's a few of them that think it's ok to snoop in affiliate data, or in your case, jokes about stealing affiliate data and landing pages. As long as we don't trust them, the ability of us to work together goes down drastically. And yes, it's people like you, or AdExhibitJason(for those who remember) who will serve to do nothing but add on to the problems of affiliates and our relationships with the networks.

Don't you fucking dare insinuate I(or others that wouldn't deal with your bullshit) are not legit affiliates. I've seen your sites. You're fresh out of creating spammy articles to put on blogspots with your adsense code.
But the second you go after me and devalue what I've worked for, I'm going to have to smack you off your god damn high horse.

It's funny to see someone talking about "legit" and "following all rules" while their sig is hawking $40 acai payments. If you're going to be dirty, at least have the guts to admit it.

 

[ReVice]

Thread jack

 

[Aequitas]

That's a different subject, my main point being is that networks should morally be able to enforce a couple harmless simple rules especially if they are taking the fall for affiliates constantly.

Who is wasting time, and why so?

If you don't give a fuck, then I don't know how it would pertain to you. Any rules that are set by a network shouldn't adjust the way you run your campaign, unless it's going against an advertiser's compliance. If you're a legit affiliate, then you follow all rules naturally.

I've watched over your response and the response of xmcp123 and I want to jump in on this, well at least the part when talking about email vs search links.

Basically what xmcp123 is trying to say is that both email and search links for the same offer ultimately lead the user to the same offer, it doesn't matter which one we use both links do the same shit in the eyes of the user, we still get our same commission and the user still gets to the right spot.

And I have to agree with xmcp123 when he says trying to enforce this by having "consequences" for affiliates who use the search links over the email links is full out BULLSHIT.

This is because if the network was so concerned about there internal stats with tracking email vs search links, they would make the 2 links act differently, they would send them to a different landing page or something to change it up a bit.

That would force the affiliate to use the right links. You can't possibly say hey use the email links for email and the search links for search but still give them the oppurtunity to interchange them, if you do your asking for trouble when a large majority of people fuck up and interchange them your going to bitch about it to them.

Hell No.....you can't be serious...... as stated if you didn't want the affiliate using the email link for search or the search link for email you would have to change the links up to the point where they couldn't be made inter-changeable, forcing the user to use one or the other (Not even sure if that is possible, probably not so you just have to accept the fact that its a bad system in the first place).

Another example is your pretty much tossing $1,000 bucks on the ground, saying please don't touch it or there will be consequences, then getting in a vehicle and driving away, what the fuck the second you drive away that money is gone, thats because you wouldn't trust the guy in the first place.

To make sure the money remained and the person did what you said is you would hook up a high electrical charge to the money which would force the person to do what you said or at least dis-courage them from doing it another way.

 

[hannahmcintyre]

Can we just ban ROIShareTeam just pre-emptively, considering he's obviously going to be the type of "network owner" that's going to run off with affiliate's cash?



As for what networks can do better: I wish a lot would stop using DirectTrack. I know it's one of the best out-of-the-box solutions, but I hate the interface and it looks so sketchy to me, like it's software that's come out of 1999.

Also, hire AMs that actually know SOMETHING about affiliate marketing and aren't just sales puppets.

 

[MaxSteve]

That's a different subject, my main point being is that networks should morally be able to enforce a couple harmless simple rules especially if they are taking the fall for affiliates constantly.

Who is wasting time, and why so?

If you don't give a fuck, then I don't know how it would pertain to you. Any rules that are set by a network shouldn't adjust the way you run your campaign, unless it's going against an advertiser's compliance. If you're a legit affiliate, then you follow all rules naturally.

With all due respect, you are in for a HUGE surprise when your network goes public. Your ideas of everyone playing nice and following "rules" that don't really affect the quality of the leads going to merchants just isn't going to happen. Good luck to you policing this stuff, and good luck convincing affiliates to stick with you when do enforce this type of stuff.

And before you start thinking that I'm talking out of my ass here, know that I've got 5 years experience running a network. I've dealt with just about every type of affiliate there is and I've got a pretty good feel for what they'll do, and what they won't do. And I can tell you they absolutely will not switch out links because they used a search link instead of the contextual link... or wait, yes they will, they'll switch from your network to another network.

 

[ROIShareTeam]

No, that's why networks get paid.
Ok. I've been holding back a bit up until this point. But I'm going to share why networks don't get any degree of leniency from affiliates.
It's because of people like you.
Networks don't get very much trust because there's a few of them that think it's ok to snoop in affiliate data, or in your case, jokes about stealing affiliate data and landing pages. As long as we don't trust them, the ability of us to work together goes down drastically. And yes, it's people like you, or AdExhibitJason(for those who remember) who will serve to do nothing but add on to the problems of affiliates and our relationships with the networks.

Don't you fucking dare insinuate I(or others that wouldn't deal with your bullshit) are not legit affiliates. I've seen your sites. You're fresh out of creating spammy articles to put on blogspots with your adsense code.
But the second you go after me and devalue what I've worked for, I'm going to have to smack you off your god damn high horse.

It's funny to see someone talking about "legit" and "following all rules" while their sig is hawking $40 acai payments. If you're going to be dirty, at least have the guts to admit it.

Showing any part of a landing page, or keywords is something that should only be kept to the eyes to the affiliate and the consumers it something that is obvious on all grounds. But your network knowing if you're promoting via search, web or email is barely much of advantage for any in-house teams. There is no trust issue in this situation since this information isn't usable for anyone's campaign.

I never said if you're a legit affiliate or not; I said that if the quality of leads is low, and you refuse to comply to anything, then we need to talk. This wasn't directed to you, this was directed towards the point I'm trying to say. I wouldn't be stupid enough to call flame you on this thread.

And what about the Acai in my sig, I'm not morally allowed to accept 5%-10% commission only?


FYI: When I said if you don't give a fuck, then how would it pertain to you; this meant that if you already select the right links, then I don't see why this is that much of problem. I wasn't saying that you are a shady affiliate.

 

[ROIShareTeam]

I've watched over your response and the response of xmcp123 and I want to jump in on this, well at least the part when talking about email vs search links.

Basically what xmcp123 is trying to say is that both email and search links for the same offer ultimately lead the user to the same offer, it doesn't matter which one we use both links do the same shit in the eyes of the user, we still get our same commission and the user still gets to the right spot.

And I have to agree with xmcp123 when he says trying to enforce this by having "consequences" for affiliates who use the search links over the email links is full out BULLSHIT.

This is because if the network was so concerned about there internal stats with tracking email vs search links, they would make the 2 links act differently, they would send them to a different landing page or something to change it up a bit.

That would force the affiliate to use the right links. You can't possibly say hey use the email links for email and the search links for search but still give them the oppurtunity to interchange them, if you do your asking for trouble when a large majority of people fuck up and interchange them your going to bitch about it to them.

Hell No.....you can't be serious...... as stated if you didn't want the affiliate using the email link for search or the search link for email you would have to change the links up to the point where they couldn't be made inter-changeable, forcing the user to use one or the other (Not even sure if that is possible, probably not so you just have to accept the fact that its a bad system in the first place).

Another example is your pretty much tossing $1,000 bucks on the ground, saying please don't touch it or there will be consequences, then getting in a vehicle and driving away, what the fuck the second you drive away that money is gone, thats because you wouldn't trust the guy in the first place.

To make sure the money remained and the person did what you said is you would hook up a high electrical charge to the money which would force the person to do what you said or at least dis-courage them from doing it another way.

Man, when I said "consequences", it's a factor of several things. If an affiliate is bringing in borderline leads, and he doesn't want to comply with a few rules to help us with his case, then it raises flags for me at least.

 

[ROIShareTeam]

With all due respect, you are in for a HUGE surprise when your network goes public. Your ideas of everyone playing nice and following "rules" that don't really affect the quality of the leads going to merchants just isn't going to happen. Good luck to you policing this stuff, and good luck convincing affiliates to stick with you when do enforce this type of stuff.

And before you start thinking that I'm talking out of my ass here, know that I've got 5 years experience running a network. I've dealt with just about every type of affiliate there is and I've got a pretty good feel for what they'll do, and what they won't do. And I can tell you they absolutely will not switch out links because they used a search link instead of the contextual link... or wait, yes they will, they'll switch from your network to another network.

Thing is that it helps affiliates, doesn't it? An affiliate marketer can make better decisions in picking offers. It's not like they are complying with something that brings them no benefit, just risk.

 

[bb_wolfe]

ROISHARE: Shit flying EVERYWHERE, like a motorcycle stuck in the mud...

 

[Aequitas]

Man, when I said "consequences", it's a factor of several things. If an affiliate is bringing in borderline leads, and he doesn't want to comply with a few rules to help us with his case, then it raises flags for me at least.

Ahh well to me it kinda sounded like you were going to raise hell at your affiliates just for using a email link over a search link when the two links are simply interchangible, run something like that and your in for a big FU.

However if there leads are continually shit, they don't listen to the rules, ect... then yeah absolutely kick there ass out of your network.

 

[ROIShareTeam]

Ahh well to me it kinda sounded like you were going to raise hell at your affiliates just for using a email link over a search link when the two links are simply interchangible, run something like that and your in for a big FU.

However if there leads are continually shit, they don't listen to the rules, ect... then yeah absolutely kick there ass out of your network.

Yea, I did say that on the 1st page, that it's only a single factor that may lead to consequences. If an affiliate is tossing in shady leads and fails to improve his leads or help his relationship with us, then there will be "consequences" (pulling his offer or account).


xmcp123: I was extra careful in making sure that I don't specify any point of my argument personally to you. Nothing that I said pertained to you, I never meant or did call you a shady affiliate; I have no reason to do so. I am sorry if I sent the wrong message and it seem that I made a personal statement against you, it wasn't intention. My apologizes.

 

[Albus Finch]

ROIShareTeam:

I say this with sincerity, why are you still here? Seriously, you are investing a lot of time into posting on Wickedfire and I can't for the life of me see how it is benefiting you now or even has the potential to in the future.

Sometimes you need to cut your losses and make a rational business decision to focus your time on the things that have the best potential for return.

You've been flogging a dead horse for weeks. Move on.

 

[ROIShareTeam]

ROIShareTeam:

I say this with sincerity, why are you still here? Seriously, you are investing a lot of time into posting on Wickedfire and I can't for the life of me see how it is benefiting you now or even has the potential to in the future.

Sometimes you need to cut your losses and make a rational business decision to focus your time on the things that have the best potential for return.

You've been flogging a dead horse for weeks. Move on.

For the plain reason that I want to communicate with people that have the same interests. If I was just here to flock my network around, then I would have realized by now that the crowd here is harsh on that, but it's not the reason why I'm posting. Result of my network has nothing to do with me posting here or not. Many members here don't understand that.

 

[Sohan]

ROIShareTeam:

I say this with sincerity, why are you still here? Seriously, you are investing a lot of time into posting on Wickedfire and I can't for the life of me see how it is benefiting you now or even has the potential to in the future.

Sometimes you need to cut your losses and make a rational business decision to focus your time on the things that have the best potential for return.

You've been flogging a dead horse for weeks. Move on.

x2 +rep

 

[hannahmcintyre]

For the plain reason that I want to communicate with people that have the same interests. If I was just here to flock my network around, then I would have realized by now that the crowd here is harsh on that, but it's not the reason why I'm posting. Result of my network has nothing to do with me posting here or not. Many members here don't understand that.

Is that why your sig is filled with your network promotions, even though your reputation in here is so shitty you never stand a chance of getting anyone to sign up except at DP?