I was PMed by advertiser to run offer directly thru him instead of CPA network

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I dunno, I don't think it's unethical, but part of the reason I go with an affiliate network at times is cos I don't wanna chat on the phone, I don't wanna share emails, I don't wanna talk about late invoices, I don't wanna forget to invoice you, I don't wanna discuss expanding my efforts, I don't wanna coach your business.

I just wanna build a website, promote it and get paid.
 


This entire industry is dirty. The advertisers, the networks, the affiliates, the affiliate managers, etc. And it's unfortunate. But at the end of the day, it's your business, and you need to run it the best to your benefit.
 
mkrongel said:
When the adv cuts a network out, i would bet that the same advertiser will cut you out once they find your placements. That Adv knows you work with the network by looking at their stats, once they get a step closer its easier for them to see your placements and do the same to you.

A few extra pennies today can cost dollars in the future. If this was an advertiser of ours no matter how big i would drop them quick and fast
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That's why you cover yo sh!t!
 
Rob_TID said:
I don't wanna chat on the phone, I don't wanna share emails, I don't wanna talk about late invoices, I don't wanna forget to invoice you, I don't wanna discuss expanding my efforts, I don't wanna coach your business.

I just wanna build a website, promote it and get paid.
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This is why my company refuses all client work now. Fuck all of that shit, especially coaching their business. Having to sell the client on the right ideas, only to be told constantly to do things the wrong way (which wont work and then 3 months from now the client will be pissed off they wasted money) is so fucking frustrating.

Affiliate marketing makes it so the only people I have to deal with are my affiliate managers.
 
moolahaffiliate said:
Hey Guys,

I was actually PMed by an advertiser to run a particular offer directly through him after he saw my post where I mentioned I was running his company's offer through a CPA network.

It's NOT that I'm doubting him as he seems legit with his use of his company's email in our correspondence but I wish to know why an advertiser would "recruit" affiliates directly to run his offer when he could do so indirectly through the CPA network he's working with?

Is this "unethical" as it bypasses the CPA network thus forgoing it of the "middle man" commission it earns?

Those of you who've been contacted by an advertiser directly, I would appreciate if you share your experience.

Thanks!

PS: No offense D (the advertiser who PMed me) if you're reading this :p Just wish to gather opinions from fellow AMs. You might wanna clarify by replying to this thread or we can talk when you're online later on.
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Do you mind saying what verticle this is for.

I think one reason why an advertiser would contact you is because the network/s he worked with exclusively with has dropped traffic dramatically.

But then again, there are other reasons as well
 
clocks said:
Do you mind saying what verticle this is for.

I think one reason why an advertiser would contact you is because the network/s he worked with exclusively with has dropped traffic dramatically.

But then again, there are other reasons as well
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The advertiser seemingly contact a number of WF members who mentioned their brand. There's no spying of landing pages or network traffic here.
 
johu said:
The advertiser seemingly contact a number of WF members who mentioned their brand. There's no spying of landing pages or network traffic here.
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Nah dude i was just asking cause i was wondering if its for any markets that recently dropped.... i know a lot of diet merchants opened their doors to more networks that before they refused to work with because all their inventory was filled up by one or two networks exclusively.

Recently networks that focused only one one or two niche dropped in traffic and their advertisers are looking for more ways to get traffic so they go and hunt for affiliates themselves.
 
a lot of these companies can be going after individual affiliates because they are less likely to flex legal muscle when everything blows up and they don't get paid.
 
To me a lot of this industry is based on trust. You run traffic to a network/campaign trusting that you'll be paid by the network/advertiser. This trust is most important when you are paying for PPC clicks BEFORE you are getting paid yourself.

In the first post of this thread, the OP mentions that the end merchant found out that the affiliate was running the program through a CPA network by a post here on WF. So the merchant didn't accidentally stumble across this affiliate through indirect recruitment. He flat out knew he'd be cutting out the CPA network.

Even if you factor out the ethics of this situation and even if you factor out that the merchant is violating their contract with the network, you cannot factor out that the merchant has broken the trust the network placed in them.

Is this the type of person/company you want to deal with? An entity that has proven they cannot respect the trust that has been put in them? If they've broken this trust with the network, they sure as hell won't think twice about breaking it with you. So there's a good chance you might wind up having to deal with your content/ideas being stolen or the double fun of dealing with non-payment from the merchant.
 
Go direct as much as possible. Me being an advertiser, I always want to deal direct with the publisher. This way there is more transparency and so that I know exactly how my offer is being ran. I don't want to know this to duplicate, but rather to police and make sure I'm not being frauded. Let's face it, a lot of the networks out there don't care about the advertisers. GO DIRECT!!!
 
Rob_TID said:
I dunno, I don't think it's unethical, but part of the reason I go with an affiliate network at times is cos I don't wanna chat on the phone, I don't wanna share emails, I don't wanna talk about late invoices, I don't wanna forget to invoice you, I don't wanna discuss expanding my efforts, I don't wanna coach your business.
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Man, all of the above - story of life right now. About to make THAT call about THAT late invoice payment and in the meantime have to explain why I cant scale up their frigging campaigns right fucking yesterday after the daily 'we really need to expand the traffic' emails/calls.

I deal with it for the various benefits, but it sure sucks up a lot of my time and I wonder if my time is better spent just working on my own campaigns in my own time without the bullshit.
 
zeroglory said:
Who is the advertiser? Lets out the specific looser who propositioned you.
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im the advertiser, and my intention was not to undercut any network. various wf members had mentioned the vertical of the offer and what network to find the offer through. i PMed the members that mentioned my offer and i told them this..."i read that you mentioned my offer, if you are interested in running it directly (since its my offer) hit me back." in this case when moola contacted me he said "i just started running it with xxx, but may want to do a split test." is there anything wrong with this?

i see a lot of network responses and saying how shady that was (even though the facts were out of place), but when i checked moolas stats to xxx stats there was a noticable scrub rate. i work on both sidess as a publisher and advertiser, and i get dicked by just as many networks as i do with advertisers so dont preach that trust or shady stuff around here because at the end of the day everyone is out for themselves.
 
Hello friends,

In system of capitalist it very easy for determine what good and right and what bad and wrong.

If make you more money it good and right. If it make you lose money it bad and wrong.

So what bad and wrong for some can be good and right for other.

Good luck bros
 
i see a lot of network responses and saying how shady that was (even though the facts were out of place), but when i checked moolas stats to xxx stats there was a noticable scrub rate. i work on both sidess as a publisher and advertiser, and i get dicked by just as many networks as i do with advertisers so dont preach that trust or shady stuff around here because at the end of the day everyone is out for themselves.
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I lol'd

Especially thinking back to earlier when a specific network owner chimed in
 
jamman said:
I lol'd

Especially thinking back to earlier when a specific network owner chimed in
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that had nothing to do with it. i didnt even see that until you mentioned it. i think maxbounty is a great company along with many other networks. everyone has their own experiences.
 
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