How in the hell is Donte Stallworth going only get 30 days in jail for killing some dude while driving drunk as hell, but Vick gets 2 years for fucking dog fighting. WTF?
Stallworth vs Vick
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Because PITA has tried to make the life of a pet more important than the life of a person.
Both crimes were really fucked up, but Stallworth should have gotten more time. They both should get more time actually...
A non-NFL player would get a far longer sentence for the same crimes.
Both crimes were really fucked up, but Stallworth should have gotten more time. They both should get more time actually...
A non-NFL player would get a far longer sentence for the same crimes.
yea this baffles me... it can't be money... but..he killed a person... while being drunk... this carries a minimum of 15 years in my state (ny)...
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he also has 2 years of house arrest and 9 years probation and will never be able to drive legally... just to and from work.
still pretty decent for killing someone
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he also has 2 years of house arrest and 9 years probation and will never be able to drive legally... just to and from work.
still pretty decent for killing someone
I had a 2nd dui (9 years) from my first and my fucking bac was only .01 above the legal limit and they wanted to fucking hang me. I did 3 months house arrest.
Not trying to be a hater but damn, if that's anyone else, the state wouldn't care that the guys family is getting paid off. They would be worried about him doing it again.
Not trying to be a hater but damn, if that's anyone else, the state wouldn't care that the guys family is getting paid off. They would be worried about him doing it again.
It looks like the guy he hit was running across the street at a non intersection (no pedeistran signs, stop lights, or stop signs) and would have been hit even if Stalworth wasn't drunk or speeding. Add to that the financial settlement with the family, the family wanting to put the accident behind them, his cooperation with investigators, and that it's likely his first offense and the sentance actually makes sense and seems fair.
This... the highlighted areas specifically. He cut a deal, "showed remorse", and threw a boatload of cash at the family who wants to now move on with their lives (read, signed a big settlement agreement).
He must undergo drug and alcohol testing. He'll not be able to drive for a very long time, if ever. He's got 2 years of house arrest and 8 years of probation, plus another 1,000 hours of community service. He may or may not play professional football again.
Plus, .125 isn't "drunk as hell" and is only .045 over the legal limit of .08 (a beer or two over the limit). He would have barely been buzzed, and well within the boundaries of being in control, as was demonstrated by his actions at the scene of the accident. The fellow he hit was racing to catch a bus and ran out into the street, jaywalking at an unmarked location. Had Stallworth not been over the limit this would have been brushed off as an unfortunate accident with the blame landing square at the feet of the guy that ran out in front of his car.
WR Stallworth pleads guilty, gets 30 days in jail - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
Vick was engaged in an interstate dog fighting ring that fought thousands of dogs to their deaths, which of course landed him numerous federal felonies. He showed little or no remorse and actually tried to justify his actions and has basically said it wasn't a big deal. He's quite simply a huge douchebag.
I'm not saying what Stallworth did was right. I despise drunk driving, but with a little rational thinking, it's easy to understand why the two cases played out differently.
Seriously dude, this has fuck all to do with PeTA (small e for ethical remember) and nothing to do with pets (which PeTA doesn't want you to have anyways), but more to do with illegally fighting thousands of dogs bread for that specific purpose to their deaths and gambling huge amounts of money on said dogs, across state lines.
I don't support PeTA in any way shape or form, I think they are a bunch of idiots but it's not hard to see that what Vicks was engaged in a disgusting and reprehensible activity for several years, while Stallworth just happened to have one beer too many and be at the wrong place at the wrong time.
He was able to give the family a bunch of money but read the above man... it wasn't just about the money.
Vicks also gave up a bunch of cash, but that didn't help him much.
Vicks also gave up a bunch of cash, but that didn't help him much.
Stallworth threw money at the family, cooperated with the investigation, it was a 1 time event and the guy was crossing illegally and stuff. His lawyers could have made a huge drawn out spectacle out of this but they pled out. Does it seem like a light sentence for killing someone? HELL YEAH.
In Vicks case, the guy hindered prosecution, operated/financed a dog fighting ring which was in operation for years, tried to hide evidence, killed multiple dogs, possessed equipment and items considered illegal. The people he financed also operated in (fought dogs in) multiple states making it a Federal crime as well. Add to all of that his "buddies" lining up to snitch/testify against him and things didn't look so rosy for old #7.
both are horrible offenses and justice probably wasn't done in either case. I am a football fan, and I think in many cases these guys get off with more lenient punishment. Look at Brandon Marshall, that guy has repeatedly abused his live in girlfriend and not spent 1 day in jail. Go watch a video of her telling what happened after she moved out, you will be shocked.
In Vicks case, the guy hindered prosecution, operated/financed a dog fighting ring which was in operation for years, tried to hide evidence, killed multiple dogs, possessed equipment and items considered illegal. The people he financed also operated in (fought dogs in) multiple states making it a Federal crime as well. Add to all of that his "buddies" lining up to snitch/testify against him and things didn't look so rosy for old #7.
both are horrible offenses and justice probably wasn't done in either case. I am a football fan, and I think in many cases these guys get off with more lenient punishment. Look at Brandon Marshall, that guy has repeatedly abused his live in girlfriend and not spent 1 day in jail. Go watch a video of her telling what happened after she moved out, you will be shocked.
I wasn't trying to justify Vick's crimes in anyway. What he did was wrong and disgusting. If I had any input on his sentencing, he'd be away for life. I honestly don't know why I brought PETA into the mix.
I also know people that got locked up for more than 30 days just for a DUI, without killing someone. One too many beers and being at the wrong place at the wrong time really doesn't cut it for me.
I retract my earlier statement about Stallworth and how he should have gotten more time than Vick. It's just upsetting to hear about someone's life only being worth 30 days and some community service.
My second cousin got in a major crash while driving drunk and he killed his best friend, who was the passenger. I think he got like 5 years or something (this was a long time ago when i was a kid). But ya, 30 days is B.S.
Angela Harper, who experienced the personal hell of losing her own son in a crash related to alcohol consumption (blood alcohol content of 0.11 percent), was sentenced to nine years in prison after being charged and convicted of vehicular manslaughter in Jacksonville, Fla.
Daniel Espinoza was 17 when he was involved in a DUI accident that claimed the life of two people in Palm Beach County, Fla.
Despite his lack of prior trouble, a strong family background, and the fact that he was a minor, he received a 24-year sentence for vehicular manslaughter. He will be over 40-years-old when he is released.
Donte' Stallworth, the Cleveland Browns wide receiver, plowed into 59-year-old Mario Reyes while operating his vehicle with a blood alcohol level of 0.126 percent in Miami and has now been sentenced to 30 days in jail.:ugone2far:
Daniel Espinoza was 17 when he was involved in a DUI accident that claimed the life of two people in Palm Beach County, Fla.
Despite his lack of prior trouble, a strong family background, and the fact that he was a minor, he received a 24-year sentence for vehicular manslaughter. He will be over 40-years-old when he is released.
Donte' Stallworth, the Cleveland Browns wide receiver, plowed into 59-year-old Mario Reyes while operating his vehicle with a blood alcohol level of 0.126 percent in Miami and has now been sentenced to 30 days in jail.:ugone2far:
I think the Stallworth sentence was entirely appropriate if you consider the concept of Justice. He harmed an individual. That individual has heirs- who agreed with whatever financial settlement and criminal plea bargain.
Some will say this is "buying your way" but the reality is a crime has a criminal and a victim. Restitution is the most appropriate form of justice. There is no "crime" against the State or "society"." The crime is when one invidividual infringed the rights of another. Since the victim is not alive to seek compensation, it is up to his heirs.
There are also mitigating factors. Was the victim jaywalking? Does the family want to "put the victim on trial" ( which is a fair defensse tactic when there are legit questions about the level of guilt), etc.
What does the family benefit from locking a guy in a cage for several years? How does that help the victim? The State is certainly not a "victim" in anything- a criminal itself. No one owes shit to the state or society.
To be clear, I don't agree with harsher sentences for poor non-celebrities. They should be able to work out deals with them as well. Restitution is not going to happen with somene rotting in a cell. Vengeance maybe, but that's a small-minded endeavor for small people IMHO.
Were Vick's dogs jaywalking? I agree that it is wrong that PETA has elevated animals above human life. However, the dogs certainly have no responsiblity. That is clear. Unlike the vehicular death, where there are questions. That's one way to look at it. I don't really know how the animals have any legal standing. I guess the State can act on their behalf it in the same way it would a child murdered by his own parents. I think it's tricky to work out any concept of human justice here with a non-human victim with no heirs with legal standing,etc.
Some will say this is "buying your way" but the reality is a crime has a criminal and a victim. Restitution is the most appropriate form of justice. There is no "crime" against the State or "society"." The crime is when one invidividual infringed the rights of another. Since the victim is not alive to seek compensation, it is up to his heirs.
There are also mitigating factors. Was the victim jaywalking? Does the family want to "put the victim on trial" ( which is a fair defensse tactic when there are legit questions about the level of guilt), etc.
What does the family benefit from locking a guy in a cage for several years? How does that help the victim? The State is certainly not a "victim" in anything- a criminal itself. No one owes shit to the state or society.
To be clear, I don't agree with harsher sentences for poor non-celebrities. They should be able to work out deals with them as well. Restitution is not going to happen with somene rotting in a cell. Vengeance maybe, but that's a small-minded endeavor for small people IMHO.
Were Vick's dogs jaywalking? I agree that it is wrong that PETA has elevated animals above human life. However, the dogs certainly have no responsiblity. That is clear. Unlike the vehicular death, where there are questions. That's one way to look at it. I don't really know how the animals have any legal standing. I guess the State can act on their behalf it in the same way it would a child murdered by his own parents. I think it's tricky to work out any concept of human justice here with a non-human victim with no heirs with legal standing,etc.
An individuals right's are supposed to be protected, even after death. Our whole system is set up this way, so that argument makes absolutely no sense. In fact, in felony cases the state picks up the charges to avoid victims/victims families being bought off or intimidated out of court. That is why a victim of a felony (or their family) can not "drop the charges" - only the state can. One of the things that rule is meant to do, is protect a defenseless victim from shit like greedy family members.
You say restitution is the most appropriate form of punishment, but we're not talking about a stolen car, or a broken window. There are crimes in which punishment, and vengeance are far more appropriate. I have kids, and if anyone ever harms them the only restitution I want is to be left alone in a room with whoever did it, and there isn't enough money in the world to change that fact. Some things are worth a lot more than money, and human life should be near the top of that list.
You also say there is no crime against the state - so what is treason? You ask how it benefits the family of a victim to have the culprit put in a cage - how about the peace of mind of knowing that the State values their loved ones life enough to not care how rich the culprit is? How about the benefit of sending a message to people with million of dollars that they have to abide by the same laws that poor people do?
You say that poor people should be able to work out restitution deals too - but with what? They're poor, so they don't have anything thing of monetary value to offer.
As far as the dogs go, Vick was charged with Felony conspiracy in interstate commerce/aid of unlawful animal fighting venture and Felony Dogfighting. These charges have little to do with protection of dogs, and more to do with running an illegal interstate business (read - IRS not collecting taxes on it, so they don't like it).
It basically boils down to this: Vick got more time than he should have, and Stallworth got less time than he should have and that shit happens every day across this country to people with a lot less money than them.
Throw Plaxico into this while you're at it. He's facing a mandatory 3 years under NY's gun laws - it remains to be seen whether he actually gets that or not or manages to weasel his way out of it somehow.
Get drunk and kill someone with your Bentley - 30 days in jail
Get drunk and shoot yourself accidentally in the leg - 3 years in prison
Makes sense to me.
Get drunk and kill someone with your Bentley - 30 days in jail
Get drunk and shoot yourself accidentally in the leg - 3 years in prison
Makes sense to me.
The justice system is crazy sometimes. I don't see how they can possibly justify only 30 days even if he is paying a sum of money to the victims family. That should be completely a completely separate thing considering that relates to a civil suit and he still broke the law. A couple years ago a kid from my town was drunk and got in an accident killing a passenger/friend in his car. He ended up getting about a year for that which in my mind is still to short. I just don't see how they can have a high profile case like this and make an example out of him by giving him such a light sentence.
It's amazing that this guy gets off this easily. Where's he get this money anyway? He's a walking hamstring injury.... Glad he's not on the Eagles anymore.
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