Динамические диски+win-raid VS дешевая raid-карта[noofftop]

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Динамические диски+win-raid VS дешевая raid-карта[noofftop]

Собственно, для вспоминания прописных истин, решил перечитать книжки (а то давеча, обнаружил "новость" что права можно отдельно применять к файлам и папкам... а такие "мелочи" забывать совсем уж не хорошо... не, ну конечно знал об этом но ни разу не использовал и забыл об тонкостях...).

Дочитал до динамических дисков. В живую с этим зверьём никогда не сталкивался, имею представление чисто теоретическое. Краем уха слышал мнение, что это полное УГ и пользоваться ими зло. Но вот, хотелось бы узнать, вдруг кто пользовался\пользуется.

Хотелось бы узнать о нескольких моментах
- падает ли скорость системы (или наоборот, реален ли прирост при работе в raid0)
- насколько они надежны (какая вероятность потери данных, если подключить к другому копу а диск раз и откажется импотироваться)
- восстановление данных с поврежденных дисков (вроде как утилитки по восстановлению знаю о динамических дисках, но... работает ли оно? а то на заборе много че написано... например, WinHex сможет помочь, если рассыпался raid-0)

Ну и собственно, предположим бедная конторка, нужно собрать сервер аля "я его слепила из того что было". Имеет ли смысл тратить пусть 20$ на софтовый котроллер или с тем же успехом можно обойтись динамическими дисками + raid-1 средствами винды.

Допустим, меня смущают софтовые контроллеры тем, что записью на диски все равно ведает драйвер, то есть центральный процессов в большей степени надежность рейда зависит от стабильности работы ОС и пряморукости дровописателей (а это притча во языцах). Хотя, при нестабильной работе ОС она может попортить файлы и на массиве поднятом и на аппаратном контроллере. Но почему-то верится, что аппаратный массив менее зависим от глюков системы. К тому же, от софтовых сплошное разочарование по скорости, особенно от скорости, даже на матерях вполне уважаемых производителей типа supermicro или тот же intel.
 


HELL YEA COMRADE!

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Between standing in bread lines all day and illegally importing women into the U.S. as sex slaves, where does this guy get the time to post in forums? [scratches head]
 
I can tell you're selling something for $20...

With that said,

review copy plz
 
Shitty translation:

Strictly, for the recollection of the common truths, decided to re-read the books (but that lately, revealed " [novost]" that the right it is possible to separately apply to the files and the folders… and similar of " [melochi]" to forget is not entirely already good… not, well certainly he knew about this but never used and he forgot about the finesses…). It read to the dynamic disks. Never it encountered in [zverem] living with this, I have an idea purely theoretical.

By Kray ear heard the opinion that this complete [UG] and to use them evil. But here, it would be desirable to learn, suddenly who used \ it uses. It would be desirable to learn about several moments - does fall the speed of system (or vice versa, it is real increase with the work into raid0) - how they are reliable (what probability of the loss of data, if we connect to another [kopu] and the disk of times it will refuse to [impotirovatsya]) - the restoration of data from the damaged disks (like as [utilitki] on the restoration I do know about the dynamic disks, but… does work it? and that on the fence much Che is written… for example, WinHex will be able to help, if was scattered raid-0) Well and strictly, let us assume poor desk, it is necessary to gather the server of [alya] of " I him blinded from the fact that of [bylo]".

Does have sense to spend let 20$ on [softovyy] [kotroller] or equally well it is possible to manage with the dynamic disks + of raid-1 by the means of [vindy]. Let us assume me confuse [softovye] controllers by the fact that by record to the disks nevertheless knows the driver, i.e., central of processes to the larger degree of reliability of raid depends on the operational stability OS and [pryamorukosti] of [drovopisateley] (but this parable in [yazytsakh]). Although, with the unstable work OS it can [poportit] files both on the massif raised and on the apparatus controller. But it for some reason believes that apparatus massif less we depend on Glucks system. Moreover continuous disappointment on the speed, especially from the speed, even on the mothers of the completely respected producers of the type of supermicro or the same intel from the [softovykh].


...wtf
 
is he like, in the russian division of Rockwell Automations?
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elkyy said:
Shitty translation:

Strictly, for the recollection of the common truths, decided to re-read the books (but that lately, revealed " [novost]" that the right it is possible to separately apply to the files and the folders… and similar of " [melochi]" to forget is not entirely already good… not, well certainly he knew about this but never used and he forgot about the finesses…). It read to the dynamic disks. Never it encountered in [zverem] living with this, I have an idea purely theoretical.

By Kray ear heard the opinion that this complete [UG] and to use them evil. But here, it would be desirable to learn, suddenly who used \ it uses. It would be desirable to learn about several moments - does fall the speed of system (or vice versa, it is real increase with the work into raid0) - how they are reliable (what probability of the loss of data, if we connect to another [kopu] and the disk of times it will refuse to [impotirovatsya]) - the restoration of data from the damaged disks (like as [utilitki] on the restoration I do know about the dynamic disks, but… does work it? and that on the fence much Che is written… for example, WinHex will be able to help, if was scattered raid-0) Well and strictly, let us assume poor desk, it is necessary to gather the server of [alya] of " I him blinded from the fact that of [bylo]".

Does have sense to spend let 20$ on [softovyy] [kotroller] or equally well it is possible to manage with the dynamic disks + of raid-1 by the means of [vindy]. Let us assume me confuse [softovye] controllers by the fact that by record to the disks nevertheless knows the driver, i.e., central of processes to the larger degree of reliability of raid depends on the operational stability OS and [pryamorukosti] of [drovopisateley] (but this parable in [yazytsakh]). Although, with the unstable work OS it can [poportit] files both on the massif raised and on the apparatus controller. But it for some reason believes that apparatus massif less we depend on Glucks system. Moreover continuous disappointment on the speed, especially from the speed, even on the mothers of the completely respected producers of the type of supermicro or the same intel from the [softovykh].


...wtf
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I got a slightly different one;

Actually, for the remembrance of truths, I decided to reread the books (or even earlier, found a "news" that the rights can be separately applied to files and folders ... but these "little things" really do not remember quite well ... not, "Of course knew about this but never used and forgot about the intricacies ...).

Read up to dynamic disks. In living with the beast has never encountered, I have the idea of purely theoretical. Half an ear to hear the opinion that it is full UG and use them evil. But, I would like to know sudden who used \ uses.

I would like to know about a few points
- Whether the rate of falls (or vice versa, whether real growth at work in raid0)
- How they are reliable (what chance of losing data if connected to another Kopa and drive times and refuses impotirovatsya)
- Recover data from damaged disks (such as utilitki recovery know about dynamic disks, but ... whether it works? "And then on the fence a lot of Che wrote ... for example, WinHex can help, if scattered raid-0)

Well, actually, let the poor desktop, you need to build server ala "I blinded him from the fact that it was". Is it reasonable to let them spend $ 20 on a software controller entry or with the same success you can do with dynamic disks + raid-1 means wind.

For example, I am perplexed by a software controller that you write to the discs still in charge of the driver, that is the central processes in greater reliability of the raid depends on the stability of the OS and pryamorukosti drovopisateley (and this is a parable in tongues). Although, in an unstable operating system, it can be destroying files and on the array of raised and on the hardware controller. But for some reason to believe that the hardware is less dependent on an array of glitches in the system. Moreover, from a software has been disappointing in speed, especially on the speed, even on the mothers well-respected manufacturers such supermicro or the same intel.

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nice spinner - through and back to Anglais
 
aleksey_rus said:
omg!! я думал тут по русски можно %)
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Lol. Translation: omg! I though you could speak russian here.

Doroj idiot, mozhet nyzhno vinut' golovu iz zadnetzi? Tak luytshi vidno.

Translation: Dear idiot, perhaps you should take your head out of your ass? It's easier to see that way.
 
Did that last part say "intel" ? Holy shit, I knew the wickedfire forum was a coverup.
 
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