WTF is the deal with these shootings!



i think I can figure out why he was fired.

It's a transportation consulting firm, and he's riding in a 2002 Nissan. I wouldn't advise anyone to transport shit in that.

lame jokes aside, it's a pretty sad story. i've been threatened before by a guy I fired, you never know how people are going to react...
 
read Gladwell's piece on suicides on a small island and you'll have a better understanding. basic version is that people are copycats.. it's more complex as to why but that's about it.
 
No offence, unrelated to the shooting yesturday; as Americans do you not think your constitutional policy on Guns makes this kind of stuff far more likely to happen?

Surely it would be a bigger sacrifice to put the guns into your police force, and armys hands, and remove the immediate danger of someone walking up buying a gun, and blowing some poor innocents heads off.

Just never understood it, thats all.
 
Maitiú said:
No offence, unrelated to the shooting yesturday; as Americans do you not think your constitutional policy on Guns makes this kind of stuff far more likely to happen?

Surely it would be a bigger sacrifice to put the guns into your police force, and armys hands, and remove the immediate danger of someone walking up buying a gun, and blowing some poor innocents heads off.

Just never understood it, thats all.
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You can build a bomb from commonly found and legal elements. If somebody wants to kill people, they'll find a way. The Founders placed the 2nd Amendment in the Constitution to protect the people from a government that would grow too powerful and become tyrannical.

We hear this argument every time there's a shooting. With the V. Tech shooting, the shooter had a clear history of mental illness and should have never been allowed to buy a gun. It appears as if there was a history with the Ft. Hood psychiatrist as well.

I don't have a problem with some national database for gun sellers that pops up an alert if there has been some type of mental illness diagnosed with the prospective buyer. Obviously you have to have some type of standards.

What I do have a problem with is people constantly trying to exploit every situation of a person who WOULD have found a way to kill anyways, in order to proselityze against our gun rights. This nutjob transportation guy wanted to kill his coworkers, plain and simple.

You can find ten different ways to build a bomb on the internet. Now what's better, placing guns in the hands of people so they can defend themselves against nuts like this, or leaving the nutjobs with no other option but to build bombs that absolutely nobody can defend themselves from?
 
To me the real question is why doesn't this shit happen waaaay more often?

I mean we have a metric shit ton of humans walking around... and I'd think the chances someone goes totally ballistic would be much much higher.

I mean there's a lot of potential reasons for people to go ballistic. Could it be we don't actually hear about many of these events? Because it seems every time one event occurs it's major news. But i just have a hard time believing that it only occurs this often.
 
Making Money said:
Way to give our country a good name you idiot. We dont live in constant danger. Every country has its crime and dangers.
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Way to point fingers immediately.

We don't live in constant danger? Really? And no, it's not just America. Had a small typo in my post that made a difference. I meant "world", not "word". Everywhere we are, there's the threat of death. Think about it.

Drive anytime recently? You know how many people die every day on the road from stupid mistakes? I almost did, and I'm 90% sure you've had an accident (that's usually how it goes) in your lifetime that could have ended up the same way.

I mean, seriously think about it. Who knows when you're going to look up at the sun, and a bug ill fly down your throat, hit the right spot, and you choke to death. Who knows when you'll decide to take the stairs instead of the elevator and fall down the stairs, subsequently breaking your neck in the process.

And who knows when you'll go to work and be met with a bullet to the spine when you turn around. The world is a dangerous place. And yeah, some of those examples may be paranoia on my part, but tell me I'm wrong.
 
hellblazer said:
You can build a bomb from commonly found and legal elements. If somebody wants to kill people, they'll find a way. The Founders placed the 2nd Amendment in the Constitution to protect the people from a government that would grow too powerful and become tyrannical.

We hear this argument every time there's a shooting. With the V. Tech shooting, the shooter had a clear history of mental illness and should have never been allowed to buy a gun. It appears as if there was a history with the Ft. Hood psychiatrist as well.

I don't have a problem with some national database for gun sellers that pops up an alert if there has been some type of mental illness diagnosed with the prospective buyer. Obviously you have to have some type of standards.

What I do have a problem with is people constantly trying to exploit every situation of a person who WOULD have found a way to kill anyways, in order to proselityze against our gun rights. This nutjob transportation guy wanted to kill his coworkers, plain and simple.

You can find ten different ways to build a bomb on the internet. Now what's better, placing guns in the hands of people so they can defend themselves against nuts like this, or leaving the nutjobs with no other option but to build bombs that absolutely nobody can defend themselves from?
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I totally understand your argument. But the same could be said for the rest of the world, and it just does not happen, your argument does not stand up against other countries.

Would you consider this pyschology an American phenomenon then? The need to kill people by whatever means, as you put it. If so, is it not a problem with your society, that people feel the need to kill more so than in the rest of the modern world?
 
And by the way, I do not necessarily disagree with your constitution, I think it would be great if it did not cost innocent lives, which at the moment - I have a feeling it does.

That said, as Americans you have to weigh up your own conscious freedom versus the deaths of innocent people, something I have always said, America is one of the safest places in terms of foreign invasion or a corrupt government, because who is going to invade or try to control a country full of gun wielding patriots, it just wont happen.

It's whether the risk from yourself is more potent, in social terms.
 
Lex Leto said:
Way to point fingers immediately.


Who knows when you're going to look up at the sun, and a bug ill fly down your throat, hit the right spot, and you choke to death. Who knows when you'll decide to take the stairs instead of the elevator and fall down the stairs, subsequently breaking your neck in the process.

And who knows when you'll go to work and be met with a bullet to the spine when you turn around. The world is a dangerous place. And yeah, some of those examples may be paranoia on my part, but tell me I'm wrong.
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I understand what your saying, but man if you seriously think about that kind of stuff, I think you should read some books on having a positive mentality or something. Theres something wrong if your thinking about that kind of stuff.
 
Maitiú said:
No offence, unrelated to the shooting yesturday; as Americans do you not think your constitutional policy on Guns makes this kind of stuff far more likely to happen?

Surely it would be a bigger sacrifice to put the guns into your police force, and armys hands, and remove the immediate danger of someone walking up buying a gun, and blowing some poor innocents heads off.

Just never understood it, thats all.
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There's another side to the right to own firearms...


"The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed – where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once." -- Judge Alex Kozinski of the 9th Circuit Court in 2003

It would not be hard to point out societies - past and current - in which the above has happened.


The above passage was quoted here...

Prescience by Tim Case

It's a good, quick read.
 
Trademark said:
There's another side to the right to own firearms...


"The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed – where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once." -- Judge Alex Kozinski of the 9th Circuit Court in 2003

It would not be hard to point out societies - past and current - in which the above has happened.


The above passage was quoted here...

Prescience by Tim Case

It's a good, quick read.
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As I said previously - I 100% agree with protecting your country, and being able to do it with arms (at the end of the day, thats what it comes down to, whether we like it or not).

I just think there should be community representives controlling community arms dumps in the event of a. invasion or b. revolution/corrupt government.

People should not just be handed guns.
 
Maitiú said:
No offence, unrelated to the shooting yesturday; as Americans do you not think your constitutional policy on Guns makes this kind of stuff far more likely to happen?

Surely it would be a bigger sacrifice to put the guns into your police force, and armys hands, and remove the immediate danger of someone walking up buying a gun, and blowing some poor innocents heads off.

Just never understood it, thats all.
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Yes, I do. I don't understand it either.
 
Maitiú said:
No offence, unrelated to the shooting yesturday; as Americans do you not think your constitutional policy on Guns makes this kind of stuff far more likely to happen?

Surely it would be a bigger sacrifice to put the guns into your police force, and armys hands, and remove the immediate danger of someone walking up buying a gun, and blowing some poor innocents heads off.

Just never understood it, thats all.
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You've obviously not read much about our police force. Or our government as a whole for that matter.
If you trust them, they'll fuck you senseless.
 
xmcp123 said:
You've obviously not read much about our police force. Or our government as a whole for that matter.
If you trust them, they'll fuck you senseless.
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If Americans didn't trust their police force or army they would be out there reclaiming their country, lets not bullshit - theres bad eggs in every police force around the world, some more than others.
 
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