Unexpected results from .MOBI domain

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Fastb

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I have been building some 2 and 3 keyword Google sniper sites utilizing WordPress blog software and I got some pretty surprising results using a .MOBI domain name test.

The two and three word .com domain names are getting hard to find, so after some frustration on trying to find a long tail keyword domain name on GoDaddy with a .com extension I went ahead and tried a "all tdls" search looking for some .net or even .org domains.

I found a two word domain name that I really wanted that was available in .info and .mobi.

Info has some extreme ranking penalties with Google (been there dont that) so I thought I would try the .MOBI on sale for $8.00 and see if it worked.

I was quite surprised that the .MOBI site worked just like a .com for rankings on Google and that other than taking a little longer to rank it performed well without the expected penalties that I would have gotten with .info tdls.....

So, before I go out and start purchasing a bunch of .MOBI domains can anyone else tell me if they have had similar results? There are a ton of really good two keyword domains available at about the same price as .coms.

I keep thinking its too good to be true, and that scares me a bit. Anyone else tried this approach?
 


wait until you see results in your log files coming from m.google.com ... which I never knew existed before. You might rank #8 on google but you'll notice you are showing @ #2 for m.google
 
I don't know about .mobi, but .info has always performed for me just as well as .coms have.
 
No one will ever type in .mobi when searching.

But if it ranks, you'll get the clicks so go for it i guess...
 
erect said:
wait until you see results in your log files coming from m.google.com ... which I never knew existed before. You might rank #8 on google but you'll notice you are showing @ #2 for m.google
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Im still working on the mobile side. I uploaded WordPress for Mobile and it works well beyond expectations, but the downside is that Adsense for Mobile still appears to be in a bit of a beta stage and im not getting any advertising revenues from the mobile visitors. That said the pc traffic is generating pretty good revenues so I can wait on the mobile revenues till the market matures.

Thanks for the input, I feel a lot more comfortable now.
 
Fastb said:
That said the pc traffic is generating pretty good revenues so I can wait on the mobile revenues till the market matures.

Thanks for the input, I feel a lot more comfortable now.
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No problem, in all honestly .mobi domains are a bit of an untapped market. There are TONS of great domains available. With cell processing power & mobile OSs coming on strong it's only going to get bigger.

I use CPA offers on those domains & track with 202. I've had many clicks to offer and conversions from mobile devices so those users aren't worthless.

I've never tried adsense for mobile but that too should work fine since all google apps are in perpetual beta.
 
.MOBI was the TLD designated for mobile site development, but with iPhones basically offering a decent web experience, and most people offering m.site.com or mobile.site.com to save a few bucks and keep the whole .COM thing going, it failed hardcore.
Domainers who invested bitch about .MOBI nonstop.

For developers though, it's fine. It's not used for spammy crap nearly as much because they're the same cost as a .COM in most instances, and they rank really fucking well on mobile search, especially if your site is mobile optimised.

Gonna give away a bit of an open secret, but having sites designed for mobile resolutions, that are aimed at drunk people... You see some ok pay on bizarre shit during weekends.

Also, if anyone's trying out Adsense for Mobile, I'd love to know results.
Being from Australia, I can't get it for some stupid reason... Like Google Checkout :(
 
HarveyJ said:
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Also, if anyone's trying out Adsense for Mobile, I'd love to know results.
Being from Australia, I can't get it for some stupid reason... Like Google Checkout :(
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I have been giving the Adsense for Mobile a run, but it I cannot seem to get their code to function as anticipated. Most the time I don't get any ads displaying at all, not even public service ads. They bought or are buying one of the mobile networks and I'm hoping the technology will improve. I will post my end results from my test.
 
I'd be interested to know why you think that .info extensions don't rank as well as .com extensions... There is no difference. The only reason you wouldn't be ranking as well as a .com is if your .info site was shit...

All domain extensions rank exactly the same, there is no extension that has "penalties" - some have geo-targetting (for example, .co.uk may not rank as high as .com's in Google.com, but it could possibly rank higher than a .com in Google.co.uk) but even this can be managed via Google Webmaster Tools.
 
kierangill said:
All domain extensions rank exactly the same, there is no extension that has "penalties"
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On or about May 20th of last year Google purged most .info domains from it's database and implemented a significant ranking penalty on the remaining ones. It's no secret.

Do a search for any two word phrase on Google and try to find a single .info in the top 30 results. It is possible that there may be some, but buying a info domain is like the proverbial "bringing a knife to a gunfight".

Adwords, though I only have my own results to measure, has the same penalty. Try getting and holding a high quality score on Adwords with a .info and then run the same campaign with a .com and see the difference.

That is the main reason that GoDaddy sells them for under a buck, if they cant get ranked on Google even 89 cents might be more than they are worth.

Take any major keyword, lets say "forex" , "hotels", you name it and do a Google search .... the .com is going to be in the top 10 and the .info is not going to be anywhere you can find it.

So if you don't believe there is any difference I would be happy to offer you any number of .info domains at the same price you would presently pay for a .dot com - theres lots of them available.
 
Fastb said:
On or about May 20th of last year Google purged most .info domains from it's database and implemented a significant ranking penalty on the remaining ones. It's no secret.

Do a search for any two word phrase on Google and try to find a single .info in the top 30 results. It is possible that there may be some, but buying a info domain is like the proverbial "bringing a knife to a gunfight".

Adwords, though I only have my own results to measure, has the same penalty. Try getting and holding a high quality score on Adwords with a .info and then run the same campaign with a .com and see the difference.

That is the main reason that GoDaddy sells them for under a buck, if they cant get ranked on Google even 89 cents might be more than they are worth.

Take any major keyword, lets say "forex" , "hotels", you name it and do a Google search .... the .com is going to be in the top 10 and the .info is not going to be anywhere you can find it.

So if you don't believe there is any difference I would be happy to offer you any number of .info domains at the same price you would presently pay for a .dot com - theres lots of them available.
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This could simply be the perception because a legitimate, quality .info site is the exception. I doubt google gives a penalty based on extension. That would be irresponsible and they have the technology to analyze the site based on far too many other quality indicators. This perception is likely due to the fact most .info sites are crappy or scammy, so they don't always rank for short keywords in competitive niches. I have .info sites with decent original content that rank just fine, even for keywords that aren't in the domain.

Your examples aren't good. Forex.info is a single page email submit for an ebook. Hotels.info is non existent. I think the lack of .info sites ranking in competitive niches is due to the fact that folks prefer the .com for their big money sites because it is a more user friendly extension.

With that said- if it is, in fact, the case that .info's get penalty based on extension, it is easily made up for by the fact that people who know what they are doing normally only register the .info if it has an exact keyword match that they are trying to rank for. Exact keyword match in the domain would far outweigh any slight disadvantage they may give due to extension.

Edit: Google "Spain" - The .info ranks #2, after the wikipedia entry. Proof that a quality, non spammy .info site will rank.
 
Spain.info is a government website, of course it will rank at the top. Google gives nice bonuses to any government website rankings. What you just proved with your example is that Google DOES offer bonuses as well as penalties based on domain extensions.

You could run through every other country name on the planet with an info extension and that will prolly be the only one you will find anywhere near the top - with the exception of those owned by government agencies or universities.

It is beyond mathematical probability that so few .info domains would be well enough SEO'ed that they are all so conspicuously absent from top rankings.

I have made attempts myself with sites that included the perfect keywords in the domain, original content and decent links only to have the info penalty push me out of the top. Com, Net, Org and Mobi seem to be without penalty, .info is Googles red-headed stepchild.
 
Fastb said:
What you just proved with your example is that Google DOES offer bonuses as well as penalties based on domain extensions.
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How did s/he prove that Google penalizes based on extension? S/he's right. Google doesn't penalize nor reward based on extension (.edu for instance). As stated above, it's just your perception due to the general quality of .info (or .edu) sites.

Just because you hate .info names and read some random blog about Google hating on specific extensions doesn't mean anything is "beyond mathematical probability."
 
Fastb said:
Im starting to feel like Columbus here trying to convince people that the world isn't flat.

Anyone else agree on the domain extension penalties and bonuses or am I just off my nut?
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That's not my experience, but why do you feel the need to convince others of it?

Use what works for you and live long and prosper
 
Fastb said:
Im starting to feel like Columbus here trying to convince people that the world isn't flat.

Anyone else agree on the domain extension penalties and bonuses or am I just off my nut?
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You are wrong. Check Resveratrol.info vs Resveratrol.com - do a search for resveratrol and resveratrol related keywords and see which site ranks better.

.info wins every time. Reason? Better links, better content etc etc. the things that Google actually takes into account in the SERP algo - not domain extension. Your perception is based on the shitty .info sites all over the place because godaddy sells them for $1 and they are cheaper to use as throwaway spam domains, not the other way around. They didn't become spammy until GoDaddy started giving them away.
 
Buying a .info is like buying domain name with dashes.

Waste of time and money, takes 10x more effort to rank with.
 
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