AM won't raise my Commission.

veneficus

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Have a standard rebill offer, and AM won't raise it past $40. Another Network of mine usually pushes me to $43-$45 instantly. I have a good track record with both, Is my AM Bsing me? He says that his boss will go crazy if he raises it to high, and that my "other" network is probably scrubbing my offers at that price.

My AMs are usually bad mouthing the other Networks constantly, I don't know who to believe?

-V3ne
 


Just split test to the higher paying network and compare EPC's?
This.

Different networks get different payouts & have different margins. Compare offers, test, and take the one that pays the most. That simple.
 
Yeah, I already make sure I split test my offers, but unfortunately this network is the only one of my networks that runs this offer. Am being a push over here? do you guys play hardball with your AMs?
 
Guarantee you will get PM's from 2nd tier networks asking you to push that offer with them which is (99.9% of the time brokered from the same network you got from, in the first place).
 
Yeah, I already make sure I split test my offers, but unfortunately this network is the only one of my networks that runs this offer. Am being a push over here? do you guys play hardball with your AMs?

I bet if you take that offer to another AM they'll get it for you.
 
So you're saying that Network X pays you $43-45 for Offer 1, but Network Y won't pay you more than $40 for Offer 2?

*crickets*

The offers are different, so why would you assume that the networks can get the same payouts?
 
The explanation is that different networks get different prices. So maybe your AM is telling you the truth. You got to shop around for the best payouts man.
 
Yeah I agree with what you guys are saying, sometimes I try to be loyal with networks and can be a pushover, overall It's about money, I'm sure I can get this payout higher some where else.
 
So you're saying that Network X pays you $43-45 for Offer 1, but Network Y won't pay you more than $40 for Offer 2?

*crickets*

The offers are different, so why would you assume that the networks can get the same payouts?

I say this because for the offers they both share, one gives me $45 instantly, the other wouldn't budge on $42 after good traffic. And tried to convince me how I probably getting scrubbed.
 
lol if I was your AM if would ban you from the network for posting your payouts publicly or atleast lower your payouts. Some people must be born stupid, it's the only explanation I can come up with for half the threads on wickedfire
 
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lol if I was your AM if would ban you from the network for posting your payouts publicly or atleast lower your payouts. Some people must be born stupid, it's the only explanation I can come up with for half the threads on wickedfire


Then I guess you should out all the sites that show what networks have what offers and allow it. :moon:
 
Have a standard rebill offer, and AM won't raise it past $40.
Ok, so that network probably gets $43-$45 on that offer (7-12% margin for his company on a high-volume/loyal affiliate) and he's hooked you up as much as possible. He's gotta eat, too. If they're the only network with this offer, then you're pretty much stuck with whatever payout they give you. So test the offer at that payout. Down the road, your AM should be able to go to the advertiser to get a raise specifically for your traffic if it's deserving of a raise and will get more traffic.

Another Network of mine usually pushes me to $43-$45 instantly.
What's their street payout for 'regular' publishers on this offer? $32? $35? $41? How much margin do they typically hold? 20%? 30%? Something tells me the network holds way too much fat to always hook you up from the get-go, and to win you over or not question them, they just 'automatically' raise you on every offer.

I have a good track record with both, Is my AM Bsing me?
Maybe BS, maybe not. Any rebill offer you can run right now where the merchant account won't get shut down or get fined $100k is a pretty hard thing to find, let alone do any sort of volume to it. Most of these things are capped at XX sales/day or whatever. Advertisers know the laws of supply and demand, too. There's no need right now for them to come out and pay $60+ per sale in order to get attention to their offer. Payouts now are back to '08 payouts. So, test the offer, try to make it work, and keep testing others.

He says that his boss will go crazy if he raises it to high,
Well, there's your answer - that network is bs'ing you and he has more room to raise you...

and that my "other" network is probably scrubbing my offers at that price.
Two issues with this:
a. This 'scrubbing'/'shaving', etc. shit's gotta stop. It's old. Yes, some networks have the ability within the coding of their "proprietary" tracking software to truly 'shave' their affiliates' leads without them even knowing it's happening; however, plenty of other networks out there can't/don't/won't shave leads from their affiliates - maybe their too straightedge, maybe the tracking software they use doesn't even have the ability to 'shave', whatever. Could a network be removing their pixel that's hard-coded into the thank you page from an advertiser's thank you page? Most likely, no, as most advertisers don't give that type of access to anyone outside their company. Yes, advertisers may legitimately 'scrub' leads from a publisher (which, in that case, costs both the publisher and the network lost revenue) after the lead is submitted due to numerous reasons: quality/ incentivization of signups, duplicate entries (as with email addresses), day of the week (as with some finance/debt offers), submission of blatantly fake names/addresses/CCs, etc. In those case, the advertiser (read: the guy who pays everybody's bills at the end of the day) has the right to remove those types of leads from both the network's invoice and from the publisher's account.
b. If these two networks have the same exact offer, then do like the others said and just split test the same offer to the same traffic and see which network outperforms the other. If the offers are nt the same exact offer, then figure out which offer gets you the highest EPC and go with that one. Sometimes, it's the offer that pays a little less that converts more and generates the higher EPC.

My AMs are usually bad mouthing the other Networks constantly, I don't know who to believe?
Your AM's sound like they're more into gossiping than looking out for you to try and make you money. If your AM was confident enough in his own network or his network's offers, then he'd challenge you to run both offers or even recommend that you run the other network's offer since it pays a buck or two more. Then again, you could always get a different AM at both of those networks (unless you like the b.s. and the badmouthing). Then again, if it's really worth it to you, you could just stop doing business with both networks and build your credibility, track record, and earnings with networks that won't waste your time, money, or energy.

/rant.
 
I say this because for the offers they both share, one gives me $45 instantly, the other wouldn't budge on $42 after good traffic. And tried to convince me how I probably getting scrubbed.
What did your split tests show? Were you being scrubbed? Which had the higher EPC?
 
Send all of your traffic to another network with a similar offer. Your AM will probably fold.
I agree. If your site normally sends substantial traffic to that AM and that AM sees your site sending buyers to the competition instead, the AM would probably give you the highest commission they can afford.