How I Lost $4,600 through COPEAC
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So the advertiser found his page... and they told copeac they werent going to pay for the leads... but they showed proof, right? shouldnt have copeac seen the webpage? or do you just take the advertisers word for it ?
How is that irony? Taking risks is totally different than getting legally earned commissions stolen from you... I think?
From talking to Mike, he simply took the advertiser's word for it and ASSUMES (incorrectly) that iframing was taking place longer and that the leads before the fact were bullshit.
It broke the offers TOS and if you expect anyone to believe you otherwise without proof you're fucking retarded. Your word means nothing over Mike's word and Mike's word means nothing over yours.
What I don't get is why you're still in here posting. Get over it and go back to work. Apparently you (or the OP, but chances are you're the same person) know how to do PPC like uber-fucking-good so get on with it.
Don't like Mike? Don't work with him...
Don't like the advertiser? Don't work with him...
Move on, take the loss, and stop burning all your bridges. I don't know about anyone else but I take note of all the whining retards here and whenever I get a PM asking a question, a tweet trying to be funny, or an AIM trying to say hi I ignore it.
...And so do a lot of others here.
No one cares about you losing a few thousand by admittedly doing something you shouldn't of (even if there were no TOS). Yes, the advertiser will take any chance they can get to take their money back so they get more profits. Just like networks that aren't raking in the rebill monies. That's the nature of the biz.
Let it go, dude.
I'm not the same person as the OP first of all.
Don't know how much more proof direct link, uncloaked links can be?
Secondly, I'm not trying to burn any bridges, but I don't like a friend of mine getting taken to the cleaners on honestly earned commission, and I don't think you would either. Regardless of the amount, that's bullshit.
Like I've said before (which you apparently did not read) I completely agree with the idea that he should lose money that he generated while iframing. But the 3 weeks of commission that wasn't iframed should be paid. That's my problem.
I guess it works its way down the food chain though, fuck everybody you can for a dollar!
I had a commission of $30,000+ withheld from me about 3 years ago because I was bidding on a trademark term that I wasn't suppose to (I didn't know about it). The term couldn't of amount to even $100 in revenue but they still refused to pay me. The best thing to do is just move on and focus on making even more money, right now I don't deal with that network anymore and they lost out on some pretty heavy revenue from me.
wut? you earned $30k that only resulted in $100 in revenue for the advertiser? thats kinda jacked up
anyways... I agree with everything ProfitAddiction has already said. Dude didnt even break any terms and he's out all his PPC costs. Thats fucked up for the advertiser to charge back all those leads because they were obviously good. he ran it for 3 weeks for god sakes, that tells you right there.
I hope he gets his money. Cash flow is the single biggest obstacle I've faced and if an advertiser stiffed me like that I'd be out for blood.
Networks are bent over for any advertiser right now since the rebill (alleged) crash.
What really killed the facts of this issue is when Jon banned the OP, and well at that point whatever Mike said would be believed, since there wouldn't be any rebuttals. Not a stab at him or anything, as I love COPEAC, but I'm just saying.
Grunin, like I've said all along - OP is one of my best friends, my referral, and I have been teaching him the ropes for awhile now. I know the entire situation inside and out. That's why I'm sticking around this thread because he is truly being fucked backwards and that shit pisses me off as an affiliate, and as a friend.
It truly is sad though as Mike has strictly taken the word of the advertiser (obviously shady as balls) as the final say and is screwing him out of thousands of dollars and weeks of honestly earned commissions.
It's sad to think that it takes something like getting screwed nearly $5k to decide THAT'S why he wouldn't want to work with a specific network in the future though.
Thanks Garrett. I am really trying everything I can to help him get his money. I would completely understand if all of the leads were bullshit and 'fraud' but since 95% of the traffic was legit, it really upsets me to see someone get taken like this.
The fact that the network is listening strictly to the advertiser really pisses me off too, even with proof of properly earned leads.
@Garrett, he said the trademarked keyword he bid on only generated $100 in revenue (out of the $30k). He did not say the $30k of traffic was only worth $100 to the advertiser.
In a case involving $30k, I would not even hesitate to put the lawyers on it.
As far as the $3-4k the OP is out that's a tough call. Based on what's been said here, I believe he should get something.
Definitely not worth involving lawyers for $3-4k but small claims court may be an option. Consider suing for damages or lost wages as them holding on to your money has impacted your earning potential.
If Copeac got paid for any portion of your traffic and you can have your friend send an affidavit that there were NO offer terms & conditions when you promoted, you may have a case.
For starters, I would hold on to every email or im chat you had with Copeac employees. Of importance is the one where an employee stated 1 weeks worth of traffic would be scrubbed. If at that time, the t&c stated they would scrub all your leads, why did the employee say only 1 week? Sounds to me like he was making a good faith estimate in absence of any real t&c.
Copeacs premise is that although you generated this revenue, you abused the T&C's. They would have to establish as their defense that the t&c existed at the time you promoted since you have an affidavit and your sworn testimony saying it didn't. It would then come down to who the judge believes the most.
If Copeac got paid for any portion of your traffic and you can have your friend send an affidavit that there were NO offer terms & conditions when you promoted, you may have a case.
For starters, I would hold on to every email or im chat you had with Copeac employees. Of importance is the one where an employee stated 1 weeks worth of traffic would be scrubbed. If at that time, the t&c stated they would scrub all your leads, why did the employee say only 1 week? Sounds to me like he was making a good faith estimate in absence of any real t&c.
Copeacs premise is that although you generated this revenue, you abused the T&C's. They would have to establish as their defense that the t&c existed at the time you promoted since you have an affidavit and your sworn testimony saying it didn't. It would then come down to who the judge believes the most.
Good points. Except, even with the T&C's on the OPs side, and the fact that he was told he would be paid some portion. It all comes down to the part where it says if Copeac is not paid by the advertiser then they will not pay the affiliate. And, as mkrongel posted, he will not be paid by the advertiser. This can be quite a legal challenge considering the low amount involved.
Thanks for the info.
I think the worst part is the fact that when this happened, he was thinking he would lose 1 week of revenue, not an entire month.
Like i said before i am sure my team fought to save some of the money generated, however the advertiser is sticking to the fact that the leads were bs and the publisher was doing something shady (admitted by the OP's lawyer profitaddiction)
Even if what he was doing was legit for the first 2-3 weeks it doesnt matter, he got shady and paid the price. I am not going to fight your cause, if we were paid he would have been paid but since we arent getting paid and since your "buddy" decided to bend the rules and got caught i am not going to waste my time fighting for this.
Anyone agreeing with he should be paid for something is part of the problems in the affiliate space, do something shady hope you dont get caught and if you do claim it was only one lead out of thousands. This is why big advertiser/brand names are afraid of affiliate marketing.
Instead you get scammy offers who pay half of what a brand advertiser pays, did you know an eye glass company pays $5 for someone to download a coupon? To bad those campaigns will never make their way to the affiliates because of people like the OP who think its OK to be shady so long as youre not caught and if caught go on WF and say it wasnt the entire time.
Even if its true its not going to be believed, its like a room full of people, 1 million in cash on the floor the lights go out, moneys gone and one person went to jail in the past for robbing a bank, would you think the butler did it? what if the bank robber suddenly had a $100 bill sticking out his back pocket? He says he only took $500, the rest someone else must have taken! Believe him?
Would you even bother questioning the rest of the room?
At this point you can all respond back and forth on your opinion dont expect me to spend anymore time on this.
Even if what he was doing was legit for the first 2-3 weeks it doesnt matter, he got shady and paid the price. I am not going to fight your cause, if we were paid he would have been paid but since we arent getting paid and since your "buddy" decided to bend the rules and got caught i am not going to waste my time fighting for this.
Anyone agreeing with he should be paid for something is part of the problems in the affiliate space, do something shady hope you dont get caught and if you do claim it was only one lead out of thousands. This is why big advertiser/brand names are afraid of affiliate marketing.
Instead you get scammy offers who pay half of what a brand advertiser pays, did you know an eye glass company pays $5 for someone to download a coupon? To bad those campaigns will never make their way to the affiliates because of people like the OP who think its OK to be shady so long as youre not caught and if caught go on WF and say it wasnt the entire time.
Even if its true its not going to be believed, its like a room full of people, 1 million in cash on the floor the lights go out, moneys gone and one person went to jail in the past for robbing a bank, would you think the butler did it? what if the bank robber suddenly had a $100 bill sticking out his back pocket? He says he only took $500, the rest someone else must have taken! Believe him?
Would you even bother questioning the rest of the room?
At this point you can all respond back and forth on your opinion dont expect me to spend anymore time on this.
