Suck a Dick Vivera/Opes/Mike/Mitch/DEE
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i bet not much an affiliate could do to copeac, but I bet copeac be all over deez nuts.. haha, had to say it
Possible R.I.P of certain CPA Networks, too many networks sprung up on the Berry dream. Most of networks still use direct track. Come on CPA Networks step up your game provide something of real value to the affiliate that is original and unique. A technology that makes you stand out from the crowd. And handle your cash flow. I expect Networks to work with reliable and reputable advertisers and too weed out the bullshit advertisers that wont pay that's part of your Job you have and advertising team and accounting department for this type of stuff. Also part of the risk of being a network. Shit you all say your pay your affiliates no matter what. Why the hell are you waiting? That just causes affiliate to jump ship which makes everyone look beyond just this one niche or offer thinking "wait what if they(the CPA Network) don't get paid by another advertiser will I have to wait on payment too?" And its funny how networks keep saying everything is fine don't worry. Ya let's all learn from history here, same b.s. said by the banks, enron and worldcom keep buying our stock it will come back I promise 
Everyone has an agenda whats the CPA Networks agenda right now?
The Survival Guide For Networks, Part I | mThink - Revenue Performance
Everyone has an agenda whats the CPA Networks agenda right now?The Survival Guide For Networks, Part I | mThink - Revenue Performance
so do affiliate have any recourse at all in these cases when the advertisers don't pay? the networks have their agreement written out to say that they're not liable when advertisers don't pay, and the affiliates have no relationship/agreement with the actual advertiser.
Most new networks that have sprung up over the past year or so weren't just chasing the Berry Dream. Many of the founders of those networks had the mentality that networks did nothing, that networks could be run by anyone, and that it was easy cash. They figured all they had to do was get a cheap/free version of some tracking system, load up a few offers and then the cash would just roll right in. That mentality might be fine in a high growth environment, but does not work at all once the bubble bursts.Possible R.I.P of certain CPA Networks, too many networks sprung up on the Berry dream. Most of networks still use direct track. Come on CPA Networks step up your game provide something of real value to the affiliate that is original and unique. A technology that makes you stand out from the crowd. And handle your cash flow. I expect Networks to work with reliable and reputable advertisers and too weed out the bullshit advertisers that wont pay that's part of your Job you have and advertising team and accounting department for this type of stuff. Also part of the risk of being a network. Shit you all say your pay your affiliates no matter what. Why the hell are you waiting? That just causes affiliate to jump ship which makes everyone look beyond just this one niche or offer thinking "wait what if they(the CPA Network) don't get paid by another advertiser will I have to wait on payment too?" And its funny how networks keep saying everything is fine don't worry. Ya let's all learn from history here, same b.s. said by the banks, enron and worldcom keep buying our stock it will come back I promise
The Survival Guide For Networks, Part I | mThink - Revenue Performance
Believe it or not, there is a lot that goes into running a successful network, not the least of which is receivables management. It wouldn't surprise me if many of the people who decided to start up a network over the past year or so weren't even using accounting software, had never run direct with merchants in the past, and couldn't identify a fraudulent affiliate if their lives depended on it.
These new networks, of which many have now failed, were enabled by affiliates who were all too quick to jump from an established network to an unproven network for the promise of a slightly higher CPA rate or the promise of some "hoes in Vegas". Once their traffic was moved, these affiliates had no problems extending thousands of dollars of credit to these networks with which they neither had a payment history nor did a credit check. Same trap these new networks got caught in.
Where am I going with all of this? The recent failures of all these networks, leaving so many people unpaid, has left affiliates painting all networks with the same brush of "networks do dick, they'll just screw us anyway". I've read this sentiment on this thread, other threads on WF, and threads on other boards. The problem with that sentiment is that it is false. There are many networks who are currently operating successfully and who will survive through these difficult times. The value-add that these networks provided before the bubble grew and burst is still there, and will continue to be there in the future, but you don't hear about it because people tend towards reading and commenting on the negative.
To summarize this, I'd respectfully ask 3 things of affiliates. Don't assume all networks are there to screw the affiliates or are run by fools, do some due diligence on a network before you decide to work with them, and properly manage the credit you are extending to a network.
I respectfully ask 3 things of Networks.
1. When you agree to pay on weekly pay on time! No matter what you made an agreement with you affiliate I consider legal binding agreement and put your reputation on the line.
2. Don't have your affiliate managers push offer and sell the offers to affiliates to run, then come back to the affiliates and say oh wait didn't we mention chargebacks and oh wait the advertiser hasn't paid us yet?
3. Don't take offers onto your network that you potentially risk screw the affiliate and put your network in the do not run list.
1. When you agree to pay on weekly pay on time! No matter what you made an agreement with you affiliate I consider legal binding agreement and put your reputation on the line.
2. Don't have your affiliate managers push offer and sell the offers to affiliates to run, then come back to the affiliates and say oh wait didn't we mention chargebacks and oh wait the advertiser hasn't paid us yet?
3. Don't take offers onto your network that you potentially risk screw the affiliate and put your network in the do not run list.
And can I ask Steve what your policy on paying affiliates is in the case of advertiser non payment? Just wondering since you said everything else about aff fears but did not say anything to ease them.
In our 6 year history, we have never witheld payment from an affiliate because an advertiser went out-of-business and could not pay their bills to us. We have accounts receivable policies in place that prevent us from ever extending so much credit to a merchant that if they were to ever go bankrupt that we'd be financially unable to meet our affiliate obligations and be forced to withold payments.
Agreed
And to Krongel's defense, he has hung around this thread and taken his lumps. We, as affiliates, might not like the specifics of what we see here, but at least he's not turning a deaf ear to this thread like many other network owners have in the past.
That alone has to put him on a pretty short list (Smax, Ruck, Krongel, Steve & MasonWiley to a lesser extent because it's only been recently ... did I miss anyone?).
Respect to you guys for manning up and dealing with WF's bullshit.
