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VonMonstertruck said:
Why do you think this guy needs you to run this scam? Why wouldn't he just buy all of the leads on leadpoint and enter them in a dozen different offers using his own network links? It's because all his affiliate accounts are blocked from every network. This will never back out, and you will never get paid for your leads. Eventually, there will be no more offers available on the networks for you to scam, so why not try some legit business, so we can all still be doing affiliate marketing when we are 30.
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I guess... if that's how the person choices to acquire their lead information(via leadpoint) then your points would be accurate, but your to quick to decide thats how its going to be done. Affiliates have a million ways to acquire data to match your offers needs, it doesn't have to be... leadpoint.

None of my cpa network accounts are blocked... So that's incorrect assumption number 1.

Also, if I'm such a scammer, don't you think I would just make multiple cpa accounts...?? just a logical argument to consider next time you decide I'm a 'this guy' and want to go on a rant :"P
 


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nothing...$2 [aprox]lead on the send....and you have to get people to fill out forms and then they find some way to cheat you out of your money like "traffic quality"or scrubbing.Why bother!!!! mortgage clicks[ppc] on google or ypn are $2 why even bother under 10$ signup.who the hell wants to filll out all that personal stuff.I have parked sites that get $5 loan [ppc]clicks.So leadpile is better to buy leads inmho. this guys service could make money with some better paying loan ppa programs if they didn't disqualify your sales.Plus ,....if you had the stones you could buy some leads, then email leadpile and complain about the "traffic quality"and "poor productivity" of the leads they sold you and demand a discount on your leads.that's what all the adverisers are doing in this bad economy.
 
Ok, after a lengthy discussion with my company's in house legal counsel, entering someone else's information into an online form constitutes online fraud, which is illegal. You are answering the questions on the form, acting as someone else. Even if a consumer filled out a debt relief form at one point requesting info, it does not change the fact that they do not have access to the specific terms on my site, and they are not choosing to be contacted by my clients specifically. Also, because you are using a consumer's info for your own personal gain, this could also constitute identity theft.

In addition, forging an ip address for your own profit, regardless of the purpose or origin of the lead, is a flagrant case of deceptive marketing; also illegal. Intentionally forging data to bypass a filter, definitely a no go.

While I appreciate the creativity, I am still confounded that some of you still don't see why this is illegal, in addition to being completely prosecutable in civil court. If you engage in this scam, at best, you won't get paid for your leads, at worst you'll be charged and prosecuted.

For constructive ideas on running legit lead gen campaigns, hit me up.
 
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Ok, after a lengthy discussion with my company's in house legal counsel, entering someone else's information into an online form constitutes online fraud, which is illegal. You are answering the questions on the form, acting as someone else. Even if a consumer filled out a debt relief form at one point requesting info, it does not change the fact that they do not have access to the specific terms on my site, and they are not choosing to be contacted by my clients specifically. Also, because you are using a consumer's info for your own personal gain, this could also constitute identity theft.

In addition, forging an ip address for your own profit, regardless of the purpose or origin of the lead, is a flagrant case of deceptive marketing; also illegal. Intentionally forging data to bypass a filter, definitely a no go.

While I appreciate the creativity, I am still confounded that some of you still don't see why this is illegal, in addition to being completely prosecutable in civil court. If you engage in this scam, at best, you won't get paid for your leads, at worst you'll be charged and prosecuted.

For constructive ideas on running legit lead gen campaigns, hit me up.
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your only seeing the negative scope, so I'm just going to handle these issues for intellectual satisfaction and arguments sake.

if the person agreed to have you enter their info beforehand how is that online fraud? so... you're telling me everyone I have hired to do directory submissions 'acting' as my website was commiting online fraud? even though I asked them to submit it??? I guess we better round up a pack of fraud fighters, grab our gear, and head on over to asia to teach those darn fraudsters a lesson they won't forget.

how is it identity theft is the person has asked us/allowed us to use it ???

so your telling me, bob can't tell his wife to fill out this one debt offer he found online... and send it over to his wife with all his info??? :D

so... your saying you DON'T want bob who is in debt 40,000's phone number?

correct?? I'd beg to differ from experience. You seem to love what your getting, you just don't love the truth of how its being acquired.

Lol you know nothing about marketing. 'forging a ip' LOL... marketers NEED 'forged' IPS to blast your ads all over craigslists... now is that a big 'no no'?
 
izzamaney, the more you respond, the more I think you don't know what you're talking about. For someone who claims to have defrauded so many debt lead forms, you sure don't know very much about them. Anyone who has half a brain can read this thread a conclude that this is obviously a bad idea, so I honestly don't feel like I need to argue it anymore. BTW, I like how you copied my last post from this thread, and used it on the blackhatworld forum, spouting it as a "legal definition" of fraud. Clearly you are conflicted.
 
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izzamaney, the more you respond, the more I think you don't know what you're talking about. For someone who claims to have defrauded so many debt lead forms, you sure don't know very much about them. Anyone who has half a brain can read this thread a conclude that this is obviously a bad idea, so I honestly don't feel like I need to argue it anymore. BTW, I like how you copied my last post from this thread, and used it on the blackhatworld forum, spouting it as a "legal definition" of fraud. Clearly you are conflicted.
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I don't DEFRAUD offers. Your acting like I'm toting it as a bragging right or something...

If you would listen to what people are saying here, we're not faking sign ups, the information is gathered through permission.

I think your the one that doesn't know what they're talking about, I'm not even arguing this to attract business, I could care less about acquiring business, I'm arguing this because I think your viewpoints are flawed and you've yet too show me otherwise.

talking about marketing, I posted your comment to give them the heads up if they choose to FAKE leads... lol I have no confliction with anything other then how you seem to continously overlook the points I've made. Again, this seriously isn't about business at this point, its about how I think your ideas are incorrect.

So again.... are you planning on sueing bob because he asked his wife to fill out the form for him?
 
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