7Search and click fraud
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Well, put it this way.. 7search doesn't filter out traffic from other countries, it's just pure traffic blast because like the other crappy traffic sources, it's all about volume for them. I would say they do have mostly US traffic, but it's definitely not all, and it's gotta be at least 10% non US, so if you're going to use them for YPN arbitrage, think again, because YPN makes you do your own geo filtering. You can still use them for Adsense, but you won't get very good CTR's or earnings unless you are pushing a lot of traffic with them.
Click Fraud is a very nonstable area. Aside for obvious things like one IP making 15 clicks on your ads in 5 minutes, you know that's fake, but when industry folk who sell software to services to combat click fraud post numbers like 25% or 30% of all traffic is click fraud, that's just a guess from them, and more of a scare tactic to get you to buy their stuff. There is really no way to prove what is real and what's not. Human clicking behavior has a life of it's own. Sometimes people can look like bots, and bots can look like people. Or even so, sometimes people consider their foreign traffic as click fraud just because they can't convert it. I think the industry is just not capable of making broad claims about click fraud right now. Yes, combat those obvious tactics, definitely, but for everything else, just accept it and move on. If traffic was so fucking great for everything then no one would be selling it, they would just be pushing it to products and services nonstop to make max profit from every click.
Let's face it conversion rates are low as shit for almost everything, and when you multiply that by the millions or even billions of legitimate clicks that occur on the internet everyday, it comes down to less than 1% buy shit or click on ads everyday. So what about the 99% of the traffic? I'd put more focus on converting clicks, rather than worrying about what's real and what's not.
Let's face it conversion rates are low as shit for almost everything, and when you multiply that by the millions or even billions of legitimate clicks that occur on the internet everyday, it comes down to less than 1% buy shit or click on ads everyday. So what about the 99% of the traffic? I'd put more focus on converting clicks, rather than worrying about what's real and what's not.
Just want to point out that trying to figure out a solution to Click Fraud is a crazy thing to get into. You will most likely go mad from it, and I'm quite serious about it too. It would be about as tough as trying to figure out every form of Google's never ending changes to their algorithms. Unless you are financially secure, and have lots of good meds at your disposal, I'd focus on making money instead of trying to figure out how much click fraud exists and how to pick it up. Just factor in a certain percentage of losses, and if you are a cheap fuck, like I am sometimes, then just report X% of your traffic buy as fraud, and you'll be comped and just be on your way from there.
I was thinking about this today a bit. Especially in light of Shoemoney recently talking about his managing of click fraud. What people need to understand is don't put the cart in front of the horse. I doubt Shoemoney started out reporting fraudelent clicks. The point is you have to worry about getting traffic that converts at a profitable level and start making money. Once you have squeezed that rock is hard as you can, then you look to get those other few drops out and that is where things like worrying about click fraud come in.
If a source converts and makes you money, how much of the traffic is fraudelent should probably not be your first concern, and if you are losing money with a source, you should not spend too much time thinking if you get rid of the fraud clicks you can make it profitable.
Save that for when you have too much money and too much time.
If a source converts and makes you money, how much of the traffic is fraudelent should probably not be your first concern, and if you are losing money with a source, you should not spend too much time thinking if you get rid of the fraud clicks you can make it profitable.
Save that for when you have too much money and too much time.
I was looking to sink $1,000 into generating some leads on 7Search but figured I'd give a test campaign a shot.
I had a campaign running on a certain product that I do particularly well with (free product, low ROI). I was looking at 1/3 once they hit the landing page with Adcenter traffic (and that was all while averaging the 3rd-5th position) And even then most of the time MSN would detect a decent amount of that as click fraud (on their own) and refund me some of my budget.
So I thought I would attempt to duplicate this campaign on 7search. Simple...straight forward product. Trusted, reliable...sure thing.
I deposited $50 in my 7Search account and was number 1 for almost every keyword and group of keywords I targetted. It's not that the keywords I used don't have much competition, I believe that it is the niche that doesn't have much competition because the keywords i used were direct to the point. Can not miss. My Ad was very straightforward on what I had to offer. The landing page remained the same as the one I sent Adcenter traffic too....rock solid.
Not one conversion on over 150 clicks. Thats not alot of money....I know....but if I was doing 1/3 I would expect at least 1/20 or 1/50 on the low end. Something just isn't right.
yeah, maybe affiliate stuff just isnt right for 7search. even 1/20 and 1/150 are a big difference(as opposed to 1/20 0/150). i don't think there is that much click fraud...and even if there were, do you think 7search would admit that like 99% of their clicks were clickfraud and refund you the money? i think not. Test a little more and if it doesnt work out, move on
at least what i think
at least what i think
Yeah whatever you do don't use 7search for CPA. Stay far away from 7search for CPA.
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