Yep, it's very doable. I stay away from all the usual niches such as mortgage, loans etc. I look for broad based niches that have high volume then drill down to brand specific targets.
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Yep, it's very doable. I stay away from all the usual niches such as mortgage, loans etc. I look for broad based niches that have high volume then drill down to brand specific targets.
Dekalog, I've had success getting tons of very cheap (1-3 cent clicks) on adwords but when they go through to my loan site, adsense pays me a very shitty 5-10 cents. Yes, I did say loans... mortgage, home equity, payday, etc... the first day I had the page, it paid $1 cpc. from then on, adsense has paid 5-10cents. Has this ever happened to you?
O yeah, it's a 6 page site that doesn't look MFA at all.
Yeah, that happens to me all the time. Payouts vary, it's all part of the game. There could be a few reasons. Quality score is one, age of domain affects that as well. Also, the advertiser may have flipped on content bid pricing. You're also in a very competitive niche with tons of other MFA's competing for ads.
You may want to look for a subniche within those markets. Try a territory, state or city. There are some decent payouts but smaller volume traffic.
Also look at your ROI, if you are getting lots of 1 cent clicks and it converts at a reasonable 33% and the payout is 10 cents. You're still at a decent 3 to 1 ROI. So now you need volume, preferably thousands of those 1 cent clicks for that niche. If not you can decide whether to dump it and try another niche.
I'm not going to kid you. Doing arbi manually is dull, tedious work and many campaigns will do nothing or lose a small bit of money. You need to keep launching and testing new campaigns and deleting dead ones. The good thing is once you latch onto a good paying one you can usually leave it and let it ride.
Another thing is to look at arbi as only a launching pad. Through arbi you will find decent untapped niches. So look to arbi as test marketing niches for pay. Once you find a profitable niche others have ignored through arbi, capitalize on it by making a site around it, put up some content and get some affiliate offers on it.
I'm doing exactly that now on a niche I discovered by accident. The arbi payout isn't even great but I found a high priced product without sky high adwords rates that I'm going to turn into a niche site with affiliate offers.
Good luck with your efforts.
You may want to look for a subniche within those markets. Try a territory, state or city. There are some decent payouts but smaller volume traffic.
Also look at your ROI, if you are getting lots of 1 cent clicks and it converts at a reasonable 33% and the payout is 10 cents. You're still at a decent 3 to 1 ROI. So now you need volume, preferably thousands of those 1 cent clicks for that niche. If not you can decide whether to dump it and try another niche.
I'm not going to kid you. Doing arbi manually is dull, tedious work and many campaigns will do nothing or lose a small bit of money. You need to keep launching and testing new campaigns and deleting dead ones. The good thing is once you latch onto a good paying one you can usually leave it and let it ride.
Another thing is to look at arbi as only a launching pad. Through arbi you will find decent untapped niches. So look to arbi as test marketing niches for pay. Once you find a profitable niche others have ignored through arbi, capitalize on it by making a site around it, put up some content and get some affiliate offers on it.
I'm doing exactly that now on a niche I discovered by accident. The arbi payout isn't even great but I found a high priced product without sky high adwords rates that I'm going to turn into a niche site with affiliate offers.
Good luck with your efforts.
SandnSurf and others doing large volume arb, how do you protect yourself from competitors or other people people that try to get you banned? I want to ramp up my arb campaigns but it seems to easy for someone to take your Adsense ID and put it on sites that violate tos or send your arb sites tons of invalid click traffic trying to get you banned.
People have said to form another company and open another Adsense account if you get banned but their has to be a better way to protect yourself. If I was pulling in $700 a day I would want to be certain my account doesn't get banned for something I'm not responsible for.
Any suggestions?
April 26, 2007
Progress achieved today:
- Set up 12 different adgroups (one for each magazine) and added 10 targeted exact match keywords to each adgroup. I used an Excel spreadsheet to speed the process.
- Read 30 minutes of PHP tutorials.
Thanks for all the support so far, I will also look into Adwords -> Adsense arbitrage and see what I can do with that. Also, I've been reading "Tested Advertising Methods" to try to optimize the ads I write.
To do by April 28:
- Write at least 2 different ads for each adgroup.
- Create generic landing pages for each magazine.
- Continue reading up on PHP.
I feel like I did not achieve much today, but in about 2 weeks, I will have much more time to devote to this venture.
Progress achieved today:
- Set up 12 different adgroups (one for each magazine) and added 10 targeted exact match keywords to each adgroup. I used an Excel spreadsheet to speed the process.
- Read 30 minutes of PHP tutorials.
Thanks for all the support so far, I will also look into Adwords -> Adsense arbitrage and see what I can do with that. Also, I've been reading "Tested Advertising Methods" to try to optimize the ads I write.
To do by April 28:
- Write at least 2 different ads for each adgroup.
- Create generic landing pages for each magazine.
- Continue reading up on PHP.
I feel like I did not achieve much today, but in about 2 weeks, I will have much more time to devote to this venture.
Thank you for doing this.
It's highly motivational.
And instructive.
Without causing harm to your self please give as much detail as you can!
To be clear : is your goal $3,000 USD net return after ALL expenses?
What's your ad Budget?
Thanks again!
It's highly motivational.
And instructive.
Without causing harm to your self please give as much detail as you can!
To be clear : is your goal $3,000 USD net return after ALL expenses?
What's your ad Budget?
Thanks again!
Thank you for sharing.
Is your NET 700.00 USD a day?
How much do you spend a day to return 700.00?
Thanks in advance!
I love these sort of threads, but the trouble is that so many of them stop after a week or two. If they go the distance, they are very beneficial for others to read. I think that finishing what you have started is a large factor in whether you make any money online. I've had tons of ideas and never followed them through, and my income reflects that, sadly.
Best of luck, and keep us posted.
Best of luck, and keep us posted.
Meaning one that is up for sale or one that you built for yourself? I'm interested in software like this but haven't gotten around to (read: too busy and lazy
) to do adequate research on one. Any suggestions?There are several for tracking adsense clicks.
adspytracker, I've used but I think there are some security issues and it's difficult to get support.
I'm going to get asRep, real time Google AdSense tracking script
It seems more comprehensive but the interface looks cluttered and not well organized to me. Other users here may have more input.
adspytracker, I've used but I think there are some security issues and it's difficult to get support.
I'm going to get asRep, real time Google AdSense tracking script
It seems more comprehensive but the interface looks cluttered and not well organized to me. Other users here may have more input.
Tracking Adwords isn't really any different than tracing search engine refers right?
You still have something along the lines of:
Googletest+keyword
You just phase out your keyword and throw it into a db.
Maybe stick it in cookie and log in again when they click the link that allows them to complete your CPA offer?
You still have something along the lines of:
Googletest+keyword
You just phase out your keyword and throw it into a db.
Maybe stick it in cookie and log in again when they click the link that allows them to complete your CPA offer?
I think that statement above applies to affiliate marketing in general too. Once you have something "figured out" it's actually not all that exciting. Sure the money is nice, but you have to keep challenging yourself.
Great post there...
April 27, 2007
Progress achieved today:
- Wrote up three different generic ads for each magazine. Each ad has the magazine name as the title, mentions the magazine title at least once in the description, and either uses call to action or self-interest provoking texts. Used an Excel spreadsheet to mass import the ads.
- Read up on MySQL/PHP, thought about using PHP to build magazine landing pages fast.
To do by tommorrow:
- Create generic landing pages for each magazine.
- Continue reading up on PHP and investigating the possibility of mass importing magazine pages.
- Create a test Adwords --> Adsense campaign.
Sometimes I find myself lacking the motivation and drive to make progress.
Then, I look at my shitty-ass computer (takes forever to get things done even in the Adwords Offline editor), my lack of a car, my inability to afford the things I want, and I think about how much better my life would be with more money. I sit down and get to it - reading archived posts from the Wickedfire posters I most respect, taking care of the affiliate activities I've scheduled, and getting my work in other areas done quickly so I have more time for my internet activies. It's definitely been a bit of a grind so far, but the feeling I get when I complete a task is amazing. Also, this thread creates accountability, which is a great thing.
Back to work.
Progress achieved today:
- Wrote up three different generic ads for each magazine. Each ad has the magazine name as the title, mentions the magazine title at least once in the description, and either uses call to action or self-interest provoking texts. Used an Excel spreadsheet to mass import the ads.
- Read up on MySQL/PHP, thought about using PHP to build magazine landing pages fast.
To do by tommorrow:
- Create generic landing pages for each magazine.
- Continue reading up on PHP and investigating the possibility of mass importing magazine pages.
- Create a test Adwords --> Adsense campaign.
Sometimes I find myself lacking the motivation and drive to make progress.
Then, I look at my shitty-ass computer (takes forever to get things done even in the Adwords Offline editor), my lack of a car, my inability to afford the things I want, and I think about how much better my life would be with more money. I sit down and get to it - reading archived posts from the Wickedfire posters I most respect, taking care of the affiliate activities I've scheduled, and getting my work in other areas done quickly so I have more time for my internet activies. It's definitely been a bit of a grind so far, but the feeling I get when I complete a task is amazing. Also, this thread creates accountability, which is a great thing.
Back to work.
A new one (Well New To Me) I just begun to test out is a free script by monitizers which tracks who clicked an ad, the ad they selected and the page the ad was on. Nothing too spectacular but what the hell its free.
This script also works great with Wordpress.
I appreciate the words of encouragement.
Quick question - I started a thread over in the Newbie Questions section ("Arbitrage traffic dwindling") and you replied recommending adding an 'authority link', what exactly is that?
Keep it up nogenius! And remember that if you stop posting we will start bashing you...
From one newbie to another: I'm proud of you for starting and for posting about your journey. I'm just starting out too, and it's easy to get demotivated when you get eyestrain and need glasses suddenly. (To be honest, I'm hoping that I'll look like a hot nerdy chick and not a dumb four-eyes.) But I'm off-topic: let us know when you hit your target!
From one newbie to another: I'm proud of you for starting and for posting about your journey. I'm just starting out too, and it's easy to get demotivated when you get eyestrain and need glasses suddenly. (To be honest, I'm hoping that I'll look like a hot nerdy chick and not a dumb four-eyes.) But I'm off-topic: let us know when you hit your target!
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An authority link is what Google calls sites that are truly there to stay, for instance a site with a PR6 or higher (Some will say PR7 or higher) is considered an authority figure because in order to get that type of PR they have been around for a few years, they consistantly update their content, and they are usually high up in the search results for Google.
Wikipedia can be called an authority site, if you were to get a link from them to your page then you'll get indexed super quick, you'll be passed quiet a bit of weight to your page based upon the search engine algo's and you'll basically be able to pull in a lot more organic traffic in a much shorter time frame.
An authority link is what Google calls sites that are truly there to stay, for instance a site with a PR6 or higher (Some will say PR7 or higher) is considered an authority figure because in order to get that type of PR they have been around for a few years, they consistantly update their content, and they are usually high up in the search results for Google.
Wikipedia can be called an authority site, if you were to get a link from them to your page then you'll get indexed super quick, you'll be passed quiet a bit of weight to your page based upon the search engine algo's and you'll basically be able to pull in a lot more organic traffic in a much shorter time frame.
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