AdSense ID Swapping

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cyberworkspace

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i have read in the arbi-thread by chrisl, that a lot of people experience the same issue that i am experiencing: after getting a more or less good number of high-paying clicks, the payout suddenly detoriates and can be as low as 1 cent per click. It does not happen to all niches but from my experiences quite a few of them. Eventually they recover and payout goes up to normal but then again the detoriation kicks in again. keep in mind, that i am not talking about smartpricing here. the adsense account is just fine, other sites produce clicks > $1.

now my question: why is that and what can be done to prevent that?
is adsense payout determination (and hence the selection of ads shown on your pages):
- bound to your adsense account-id?
- bound to the domain on which pages the ads are shown?
- bound to keywords/density/prominence?
- bound to all of above?

because what i am thinking of is, to "revitalise" arbitrage pages by
- changing their target domains
- giving them new adsense-id's

now especially the last item has brought me to the idea, that if the determination of ads shown is a combination of your id and the domain, that shuffling id's and domains would keep payouts on a higher level.

like "i take your id for a week on my sites and you take my id on your sites for a week" and so on, only with many more people.

nonsense? then tell me so ;)
 


cyberworkspace said:
now especially the last item has brought me to the idea, that if the determination of ads shown is a combination of your id and the domain, that shuffling id's and domains would keep payouts on a higher level.

like "i take your id for a week on my sites and you take my id on your sites for a week" and so on, only with many more people.

nonsense? then tell me so ;)
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Yeah, I don't think you'll get many people agreeing to that. First of all, it's probably against an adsense TOS somewhere, but the real issue is that if I'm making big bucks, I'm not going to send my traffic elsewhere for a week and hope that someone else is doing well enough to maintain my earnings. Not to mention that it makes it kinda hard to track your earnings, etc, when someone else is driving half your traffic, not to mention the fact that you don't know what those other people are doing to drive traffic, it could be something shady and ends up getting *your* adsense account closed.
 
waz67 said:
Yeah, I don't think you'll get many people agreeing to that. First of all, it's probably against an adsense TOS somewhere, but the real issue is that if I'm making big bucks, I'm not going to send my traffic elsewhere for a week and hope that someone else is doing well enough to maintain my earnings. Not to mention that it makes it kinda hard to track your earnings, etc, when someone else is driving half your traffic, not to mention the fact that you don't know what those other people are doing to drive traffic, it could be something shady and ends up getting *your* adsense account closed.
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well, there are for sure a lot of "dont's" attached to my idea, but the point is, that you would only give away access to thrid parties to those sites of yours that do not perfom anyway (but had once) because they are now hit by the "less"-pricing algo and provide only $0.01 clicks.

i hear you and the points you raise are all valid, but i just wanted to clarify that this idea was meant to get a dead horse to its feet again and not to share your income on a regular basis ;)

heck, i would even give away some of those sites to charity clicks for a week, if i could get them this way back to what they once produced. but i would need to be sure, that this would help to get the good paying adsense ads back on my site ;)
 
It'd be an interesting experiment, but not too many people are willing to try this. Do it with a buddy that trusts you or something.
 
randomlande said:
It'd be an interesting experiment, but not too many people are willing to try this. Do it with a buddy that trusts you or something.
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well, actually i will really gonna try it.

i even don't need to take a buddies adsense, as i will just take some random ones i scrap off the web. i will then take theirs on my sites for 48 hours, swap them, and after a week take a look what happened to the value per click that i receive. some people will be happy that they receive an extra income this week ;)

randomlande said:
You may get banned for invalid click.
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i cannot see the connection here, why swapping id's with someone would get me into trouble for invalid clicks. swapping id's is done quite often as this is a means of compensation e.g. for developers whose widgets you use on your blog. e.g. i have an adsense widget in my blog that compensates the developer with 20% of the clicks. (but as my private blog almost gets no clicks on adsense i cannot take this as a testing basis ;)).

all i want to know is, whether there is any connectiopn at all between my adsense id and the value per click that i receive or what in detail the algo determining the value per click i receive is made off.
 
cyberworkspace said:
well, actually i will really gonna try it.

i even don't need to take a buddies adsense, as i will just take some random ones i scrap off the web. i will then take theirs on my sites for 48 hours, swap them, and after a week take a look what happened to the value per click that i receive. some people will be happy that they receive an extra income this week ;)
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i don't know... that seems risky. i really think you should ask them first. or you can try digg's and see how it integrates.
 
randomlande said:
i don't know... that seems risky. i really think you should ask them first. or you can try digg's and see how it integrates.
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well, i suppose you are right. i don't want to harm anyone at all, just thought it would be a nice surprise for someone to get that extra income ;) but there are certain risks attached that i might miss at this point. maybe google gets suspicious about their accounts and bans them, the least thing i would like to risk.

so, you are right. i will write the developer of that widget if he is ok with me taking his, as he distributes his anyways a million times across the net :)
 
ok, just for anyone who was interested in knowing the results: it worked out.

i took my buddies adsense on my site, and he took mine on one of his sites. both sites were beforehand performing in the 0.01-0.02 cents/click area.

immediately after switching id's, clicks were back to "normal", meaning range 0.20.

that means: my id on his previously 0.01 site produced 0.20 cent clicks.
his id on my sites produced 0.20 cent clicks.

we decided to let this run, until detoriation would kick in again. this happened yesterday, so almost 2 weeks after start of the experiment.

we swapped id's again, so i got back my old site and he put his id on his site.

today, i am getting 0.20 cent clicks again, as well as he is.

i am totally aware, that this little experiment is no statistical proof at all, therefore i will now have to work on a way to treat all those other mfa-sites with the same swap-mechanism.

but it seems, as it might be that changing the id kind of resets the "score" an adsense block for any url gets and hence the amount of money being paid.

i can only encourage anyone to test this as well, if you have a low paying site and a buddy with whom you can switch id's for a period of time.
 
Juicify said:
Maybe adsense has implemented smartpricing on a per site basis?
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well, that would imho be an explanation if swapping the id's would have had no results. but as we managed to bring back the adsense payout to its normal level by swapping id's, i'd say that the pricing function takes the id as a variable in somewhere.

maybe they identified this as some requirement, as sites can be sold and change ownership and hence adsense-id's. people would seriously be pissed if they buy a smartpriced site and would have to stick with the smartpricing. maybe thats why it works with switching the id's.
 
dealasite said:
cyber, that's the best shit i've read all week at WF.
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hello jeez no.

that was just ONE site, ONE test. there are so many things that could have influenced why we experienced, what we experienced. all it takes now is, if someone can get the same results by following up on this.
 
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Empirical data, this is great. I know it's not conclusive at this point, but it's a very interesting start - thanks!
 
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