Bizopps WTF

Well, how about the biz-oops offer upsells for hosting and shit like that to improve on the ROI for them. Or Hell offer the hosting for the people with some gay ready made sites to run on google with. I don't know.
 


I'm training up my cousin in the hopes that he gets good at this during college and never has to join the rat race like I did and can have a smooth transition into making a living online... weather its AM or something else.

Yeah the wall is definately a tough one, but nothing beats that first day of making more than you used to make in a week :)
 
Originally Posted by Spliffic
I tried to hook up a couple friends giving them EVERYTHING I had in my toolbelt and they both gave up. The problem with this formula is that I live, eat, , shit, sleep, smoke, drink and breathe AM, and they didn't or weren't willing to do the same. They just saw my paycheques and thought they could easily pull it off but couldn't.

It's like they say with AM, the barrier to get "over the wall" is extremely high (i.e. the learning curve), but once you get over to the other side, it's golden. That's the beauty of this industry, if it were that easy to get into, then everybody would be making money and there would be no real ballers. I agree that this is what the bizopp industry is selling, and that's the American Dream.

Same thing to the t, minues the checks :) Once I found WF like a year ago I began sleeping eating breathing drinking AM too, and no matter how much I tried to tell people its just as much work, if not tons more challenging, than a normal job.
 
For me, this is an up at 6am business that doesnt end until 5pm.
me too but it doesn't matter because...

..I live, eat, , shit, sleep, smoke, drink and breathe AM...
and more importantly,

the barrier to get "over the wall" is extremely high (i.e. the learning curve), but once you get over to the other side, it's golden
fuckin golden :)
 
Yeah OK, waking up at noon is in the past for me too... did that last year, got complacent with money rolling in, campaign died, wakeup call. Now I work on AM fulltime 9-6, and yes it is lots and lots of work, which everyone who want teh easy monies is simply not cut out for. Let them keep their deadend jobs, maybe thats all they are capable of.
 
I had a funny convo with a friend in the PPC area this morning... he makes about 30-40K per month on PPC and he works his ass off. I told him why doesnt he hire somebody to do the grunt work for him, so he'd have more time to do other things. He said "I don't trust anybody but me to do this"

He didn't mean he thought he'd get screwed intentionally. He meant that he was relying on gut instincts and insight that just couldnt be taught.

I guess my point is, you can train your friends, family, a hard working employee, but it takes an inner quality that many people don't have to do it right.
 
I had a funny convo with a friend in the PPC area this morning... he makes about 30-40K per month on PPC and he works his ass off. I told him why doesnt he hire somebody to do the grunt work for him, so he'd have more time to do other things. He said "I don't trust anybody but me to do this"

He didn't mean he thought he'd get screwed intentionally. He meant that he was relying on gut instincts and insight that just couldnt be taught.

I guess my point is, you can train your friends, family, a hard working employee, but it takes an inner quality that many people don't have to do it right.
I think that is real talk right there.

I just can't explain the way I want/need things done. Not that I don't trust someone else. I just fell like if things get screwed up I have to figure everything out.
 
You mean Biz Opp marketing right? e.g. if someone buys into an Acai offer theyre getting a new supply every month.

How could "product" be provided for biz opps? I don't see how. When it comes to get rich quick schemes, which these all are, the product is really training one in the principles behind making $10 a month through Google, which is what they probably will make following the steps.

What I'd love to see is an Advertiser with real balls, someone who says "MAKE MILLIONS FROM HOME - DO WHAT I DO, SELL LOUSY EGUIDES AND REBILL THE SHIT OUT OF PEOPLE"

An honest offer like that would kick ass, because people know its shady, they probably dont care, they just want to learn how to do it.

I agree it is tougher for bizopps to justify rebill. But they can justify it by providing updates to their products as internet monies changes and shifts so quickly. Maybe some support like a forum and answering of questions. Which I know sounds lame but if a person is getting some answers it is les likely they will chargeback if they feel they are getting some value.
 
I think that is real talk right there.

I just can't explain the way I want/need things done. Not that I don't trust someone else. I just fell like if things get screwed up I have to figure everything out.
you won't believe how many designers i've been through in the last year, but it just always turns out the same i'm always much happier with my own work than that of other even (so-called) professionals. and as for getting friends to work for you .. oh my god just don't ever ever go there..
 
I had a funny convo with a friend in the PPC area this morning... he makes about 30-40K per month on PPC and he works his ass off. I told him why doesnt he hire somebody to do the grunt work for him, so he'd have more time to do other things. He said "I don't trust anybody but me to do this"

He didn't mean he thought he'd get screwed intentionally. He meant that he was relying on gut instincts and insight that just couldnt be taught.

I guess my point is, you can train your friends, family, a hard working employee, but it takes an inner quality that many people don't have to do it right.
Yeah, and I've always thought that if you take on an employee and show him how to make you $xx,xxx/month, he's not going to stay your employee for very long.

Might be worth employing people to specialize in various parts of a campaign. But I think you need to take on the responsibility of being the one to pull it all together - or at least have somebody who's incredibly loyal with low ambitions of their own to do the job for you.
 
HAHAHAA.

Dude, you're crazy. I bet 95% of our customers are people who have no fucking clue how to do anything like that. Building a blog? You know how scary that sounds to the typical surfer? And for the 5% of your audience who knows how to build a blog and is looking to skip right to step 4 and make the money right away? You lost them, too.

There is no golden carrot dangling over their heads any longer. People want to make money NOW. They don't want a step by step program that if anything, looks MORE fraudulent because now theyre thinking "Shit, this is a lot of work and I have to pay monthly to do it. I see no paycheck in site for a LONGGG time"

Now smart people know that designing something that makes money DOES take time, and would involve your steps. I think you'd lose all the spontaneous "just send me the Google CD, let me give this a try" traffic, which is prob. 90% of your sales or more, and get 2-3% geeks and people who have a solid understanding of what's needed to really be a success. And you wont survive oin 2-3%.

Impulse buys by stupid people. It's the target market. Accept it or move on.

If you are trying to get into the heads of people who sign up for these BizOpps you have it right in this post

+rep
 
Yeah, and I've always thought that if you take on an employee and show him how to make you $xx,xxx/month, he's not going to stay your employee for very long.

That's why you need to give decent incentives and try to create intellectual property developping software for example.