Bodog and Calvin Ayre indicted in the US...

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The Feds go after yet another gaming company with Homeland Security seizing domains again...

Bodog Online Gaming Founder Indicted For Money Laundering, Website Seized - Bloomberg

BREAKING NEWS – Bodog.com seized by Homeland Security

Press release | BodogBrand Reaction to Domain Seizure

Calvin Ayre Indicted by Feds; Calvin Ayre Releases Statement

The Morning After the Indictments

Some of the better quotes...

"We have not received word on the other gambling companies still actively using .coms but we can assume Bodog.com won’t be the last domain taken in the US Government’s razing of the competition as it clears way for the large Nevada casino corporations to dominate under a proposed federal poker regulatory scheme."

"I see this as abuse of the US criminal justice system for the commercial gain of large US corporations. It is clear that the online gaming industry is legal under international law and in the case of these documents is it also clear that the rule of law was not allowed to slow down a rush to try to win the war of public opinion.

These documents were filed with Forbes magazine before they were filed anywhere else and were drafted with the consumption of the media as a primary objective."

So yeah, this should be interesting. Meanwhile Black Friday indictees are pleading guilty or going to jury trials...

Black Friday Defendant Ryan Lang Pleads Guilty | Online Gambling News
 


The credit card payment processor (who appears to be really, really stupid) is facing 30 years, at 40 years old that means he gets out at the age of 70.

I'm a bit confused though. We had a guy in Dallas beat an 18 year old girl to death and he only is going to serve 8 years. AIG with their derivative scam stole billions and nobody even got charged with anything. With "fast and Furious" - 2 dead Americans and hundreds if not thousands of dead Mexicans - nobody in the JD faces faces criminal prosecution at all.

This guy sets up a few merchant accounts for some poker rooms and he's sent away for most of his remaining life.

The "Department of Justice" just screams out for a new name.
 
Fastb said:
The credit card payment processor (who appears to be really, really stupid) is facing 30 years, at 40 years old that means he gets out at the age of 70.

I'm a bit confused though. We had a guy in Dallas beat an 18 year old girl to death and he only is going to serve 8 years. AIG with their derivative scam stole billions and nobody even got charged with anything. With "fast and Furious" - 2 dead Americans and hundreds if not thousands of dead Mexicans - nobody in the JD faces faces criminal prosecution at all.

This guy sets up a few merchant accounts for some poker rooms and he's sent away for most of his remaining life.

The "Department of Justice" just screams out for a new name.
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The Myth Of The Rule Of Law by John Hasnas

The law is an amalgam of contradictory rules and counter-rules expressed in inherently vague language that can yield a legitimate legal argument for any desired conclusion. For this reason, as long as the law remains a state monopoly, it will always reflect the political ideology of those invested with decisionmaking power.
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Fastb said:
The credit card payment processor (who appears to be really, really stupid) is facing 30 years, at 40 years old that means he gets out at the age of 70.

I'm a bit confused though. We had a guy in Dallas beat an 18 year old girl to death and he only is going to serve 8 years. AIG with their derivative scam stole billions and nobody even got charged with anything. With "fast and Furious" - 2 dead Americans and hundreds if not thousands of dead Mexicans - nobody in the JD faces faces criminal prosecution at all.

This guy sets up a few merchant accounts for some poker rooms and he's sent away for most of his remaining life.

The "Department of Justice" just screams out for a new name.
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If you put up a tent on Wall Street you go to jail. Help bring down the US economy you walk away with a fat paycheck.
 
In a business raid or whatever they would seize all your equipment so I don't see how this is any different or warrants any type of, "OMG Govment" responses.

Bodog allowed sports betting and that is what the U.S. laws (Wire Act) are specifically against.
 
BradleyT2p2 said:
In a business raid or whatever they would seize all your equipment so I don't see how this is any different or warrants any type of, "OMG Govment" responses.

Bodog allowed sports betting and that is what the U.S. laws (Wire Act) are specifically against.
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But most of them where not US citizens (they where Canadian) and they where operating with a licence from their local jurisdiction. The gambling (if you consider poker gambling) took place on servers outside the United States, where they are legal to operate.

The only claim that the US govt has is that the participants logged in to play from inside the United States. That means that the people that placed the bets in Maryland broke the law, not the people in South America.

As an example. If you are in Arizona and you shoot someone across the river in Mexico, the Mexican government has jurisdiction for the murder trial. Arizona could only charge you with a firearm offence because the murder happened in Mexico.

If someone slips and falls on your sidewalk on vacation from England, he cannot go home and sue you in GB courts because the accident did not happen in their jurisdiction.

If the United States ignores international law and claims jurisdiction over the entire internet, what is to keep the government of Saudi Arabia from indicting and demanding extradition for execution from any of the many forum posters here that might in their opinion offend or defame Islam? The comments may have been written in Australia, the server might be located in Chicago, but the comments are readable in Saudi and therefore under this example many of us are going to need to get extradition lawyers.

What about affiliate program websites? If you have an online poster shop that happens to have a cartoon poster of Chairman Mao should you be subject to 8 years in a Chinese prison for defamation if you unknowingly ship one of the posters to Hong Kong?

Imagine waking up one morning to find that you have six different death warrants issued against you from across the middle-east because your poster company affiliate program led to the sale of a Mohammed cartoon.

OMG GOVERNMENT response? Yea, this qualifies.
 
ZuzanaDesigns said:
I see they changed their name a couple months ago to Bovada.
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mrmanchild said:
didn't bodog transfer ownership to bovada? the accounts still run on there
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Bodog licensed the brand to Morris Mohawk which operates on Indian land near Montreal and who are the ones that operated the US facing company. Bodog ended the licensing deal with them last year and as a result Morris Mohawk changed their name to Bovada.
 
minsco said:
maybe he should have ceased operations in the US after Pokerstars and the rest went down?
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and the money to be made?

pokerstars&co should have left after UIEGA but didn't and that's why they are the biggest poker site in the world, surpassing party poker(which complied with the law) by miles.

Now they got what was coming to them. After poker legislation any poker site that was accepting us citizens after UIEGA will not get a license which means that it will be a very little site compared to the ones that can accept US players. Pokerstars can manage though, I think.

And yes, the seized domain stopped operations a few months back, I really don't see the point in this fiasco. Even more so due to the other 3 networks that still operate in the US.
 
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