Breakthrough: Israel Develops Cancer Vaccine

[SeoReborn]

This is cherry picking. Instead of looking at a wide body of data, they are focusing in on specific months, and also possibly just at LA County or maybe California.

Only 1-5% of polio cases cause aseptic meningitis. Polio isn't the only thing that can cause aseptic meningitis, 15 or more other things can cause it, such as syphilis for example. Maybe there was a large outbreak of syphilis around those time periods?

Those are the sample years/months. If you can show the other years that proves otherwise then you can call it cherry picking. If you looked at figure 5 on that pdf you can see a definite drop in poiio cases as soon as the new definition of poiio was introduced. Regardless of these graphs and tables, its logical to see less cases when a definition of a disease is made much stricter.

Lowell Hubbs : Vaccine Conspiracy Theorist: ThinkTwice and Polio: An Idiot's Guide to Critical Thinking

According to that, the site you were quoting from (or one of the people they quote from) believes polio symptoms were caused by eating too much sugar. Well, people eat more sugar now than ever. Are Amish cases of polio because of too much sugar, or maybe not being vaccinated has something to do with it?

Where is that article on sugar causing polio symptoms? You are reading it a from a third party perspective and a pro-vaccine one infact. It could have been taken out of context. Whatever it is, why are you pointing this out? The site where the pdf is hosted gathers information from different sources. Looks like you are attempting to poison the well.

 

[Moxie]

Those are the sample years/months. If you can show the other years that proves otherwise then you can call it cherry picking.

LOL what? So I have to find the rest of the cherries to show that the few that THEY PICKED are representative of the whole? If they had a basic understanding of science or math, and weren't trying to mislead people, they would show all the cherries right up front to begin with.

Even if there are more cases of aseptic meningitis now than ever, that doesn't mean they are from polio. Cancer is another thing that can lead to aseptic meningitis. So increases in it may be because of increases in cancer, syphilis, etc.

If you looked at figure 5 on that pdf you can see a definite drop in poiio cases as soon as the new definition of poiio was introduced. Regardless of these graphs and tables, its logical to see less cases when a definition of a disease is made much stricter.

If we use an even stricter definition and only include those that become permanently paralyzed, then that also has mostly been eliminated in nations that vaccinate against it.

Where is that article on sugar causing polio symptoms? You are reading it a from a third party perspective and a pro-vaccine one infact. It could have been taken out of context. Whatever it is, why are you pointing this out? The site where the pdf is hosted gathers information from different sources. Looks like you are attempting to poison the well.

In their case, "the well" would be their thoughts on polio and they host the "polio.pdf" file right off their main domain, so I thought it was representative, but there are probably different people involved with that site that don't all agree on the same exact things.

Section 2 in the pdf is titled "How is Polio Contracted?" To be specific, they say that sugar intake makes people more susceptible and they seem to be saying that if people ate less sugar then the vaccine wouldn't be needed.

They point out things such as children eating less ice cream during one summer in North Carolina. The most reported cases of polio in 2010 were in the African Congo. How much ice cream do they eat there?

 

[SeoReborn]

LOL what? So I have to find the rest of the cherries to show that the few that THEY PICKED are representative of the whole? If they had a basic understanding of science or math, and weren't trying to mislead people, they would show all the cherries right up front to begin with.

LOL what? You are getting confused between 'picking' and 'cherry picking'. Here is what cherry picking means:

Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position.

That is what you are mean also by saying they are misleading people. So its not unreasonable for me to ask you for the significant data that contradict that position. Since you KNOW its misleading, then you should have this, otherwise its pure speculation.

Even if there are more cases of aseptic meningitis now than ever, that doesn't mean they are from polio. Cancer is another thing that can lead to aseptic meningitis. So increases in it may be because of increases in cancer, syphilis, etc.

That table does not show that there are more cases of aseptic meningitis now than ever. It showed those months/years soon after the new definition of polio was introduced.

So have you found that in those years there has been a big increase of cancer which caused the aseptic meningitis?

If we use an even stricter definition and only include those that become permanently paralyzed, then that also has mostly been eliminated in nations that vaccinate against it.

Don't know what your point is here, but the stricter the definition should lead to lesser reported cases.

In their case, "the well" would be their thoughts on polio and they host the "polio.pdf" file right off their main domain, so I thought it was representative, but there are probably different people involved with that site that don't all agree on the same exact things.

Whether they agree or disagree is not the issue. The issue here is attempting to use what you percieve as negative information to dismiss other information. That's poisoning the well.

Section 2 in the pdf is titled "How is Polio Contracted?" To be specific, they say that sugar intake makes people more susceptible and they seem to be saying that if people ate less sugar then the vaccine wouldn't be needed.

Again you are raising something that I did not originally state. I showed quotes and stats from the pdf, but it does not say have any position on other theories which is in that pdf. That pdf has information from different people. So its pretty pointless trying to debate me about this.

But I'll comment on what you wrote

they seem to be saying that if people ate less sugar then the vaccine wouldn't be needed.

Since your position is that vaccine makes us immune from polio

translation: they seem to be saying that if people ate less sugar then they'll be immune from polio

Eating less sugar does not make you immune to polio and neither does the text say so.

They point out things such as children eating less ice cream during one summer in North Carolina. The most reported cases of polio in 2010 were in the African Congo. How much ice cream do they eat there?

You are distorting what have been presented. By asking 'how much ice cream do they eat there', you are basically saying ice cream causes polio. That is not what they said.

 

[Blueicm]

2 pet peeves:
1. When people say Nicola Tesla. It's NIKOLAI
2. When people don't understand basic physics.

Spelling was never my strong suit. I actual thought I spelled it wrong.

Why does Wickefire (an AFFILIATE MARKETING (aka bullshit people) forum) have so many conspiracy theorists?

Because We are usual on the internet long enough to see something get swept under a bridge. Beside look at what people will do on here for a few thousand. These guys are making billions.

 

[Moxie]

Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position.

They choose to pick out and only present incomplete evidence to support their position. If we are discussing a baseball player who played for 15 years, we would look at their whole career and maybe look at the stats for each individual year. It would be ridiculous to pick out and only look at 3 particular months of their career. Why else would someone do that unless they were trying to mislead those that don't know much about baseball?

That is what you are mean also by saying they are misleading people. So its not unreasonable for me to ask you for the significant data that contradict that position. Since you KNOW its misleading, then you should have this, otherwise its pure speculation.

They are the ones claiming to KNOW that Joe Blow was a great baseball player. The burden of proof is on them. Highlighting 3 months of stats in which he did good, does not prove he did good his whole career.

That table does not show that there are more cases of aseptic meningitis now than ever. It showed those months/years soon after the new definition of polio was introduced.

Right. I'm pointing out that even if there are 1 million new cases of aseptic meningitis tomorrow, it doesn't mean that even 1 case was caused by polio.

So have you found that in those years there has been a big increase of cancer which caused the aseptic meningitis?

They are the ones making the claims about what caused the increase in aseptic meningitis. So again, the burden of proof is on them. I'm merely pointing that aseptic meningitis has other causes.

Don't know what your point is here, but the stricter the definition should lead to lesser reported cases.

It's not just "lesser", but nearly zero cases in the countries that vaccinate.

You are distorting what have been presented. By asking 'how much ice cream do they eat there', you are basically saying ice cream causes polio. That is not what they said.

They are saying to avoid the polio vaccine and to avoid ice cream. Presumably, the polio victims in the African Congo already avoid both of those. So how are they getting it and how can they prevent it?