Campaign Statistics: Help Wanted

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If your LP CTR is at 60% one day and then 25% the next with the same KWs and not a change has been made, what does that mean?

I made a completely new page and it climbed from 30% to 45% to 50% to 60% and then next day (today) fell off to 25%.

Any reasonable explanation for this?
 


Are you tracking the *actual* keywords you're getting traffic from YSM on? Yahoo can send pretty broad results on some keywords, even with advanced matching turned off, so you may be getting more junk traffic some days which is killing your ROI. If you don't have something like P202 set up to track the actual keywords they are sending you traffic on, I would highly recommend you look into it.
 
I am using Yahoo and I am using P202 and only 1 KW for this information.

When I "opened" my list of longtails they had 0 conversions... I'll do a bit more research and see how it goes this week. If I can't turn a profit this week I'm going to move on.
 
ROI is (up) a little to -25% but still nothing consistent.

Do any of the competitor KW software things actually work?
 
First of all, thank you to everybody who offered advice and help.

Here are the stats from my campaign from 9/12/08 through 9/30/08:

9/22 Figures // 9/30 Figures (NOTE: Improvements, Declines):

PPC Clicks: 937 // 1534
PPC CTR
: 5.72% // 6.37%
Offer Clicks: 331 // 553
LP to Offer CTR
: 32.78% // 36.05%
ROI
: -30.57% // -27.13%
LP CR
: 7.77% // 6.87%

MY ANALYSIS
Why Those Numbers Changed

I have learned a lot with this campaign, and most notably is the fact that broad/generic short tail keywords are VERY hard to be profitable on. I saw the same big players in position 1-3 for such KWs and figured if they can do it, I can. I was wrong. Thanks to everybody who offers suggestions about the "buyer mindset" - It is a lot harder to capture than it sounds, at least for me.

PPC CTR Increase: I used the old betty A/B split testing for a bit (which can be hard to figure out when to changes ads at times) and that seemed to work pretty well. I found the "type" of ad that was doing well and branched off of that. Near the end I settled with an ad that was consistently getting 8%+ and was too caught up in the fact that my LPCTR blows.

LP to Offer CTR Increase: Well, even though sub 40% is far from ideal, I tried and tried but still couldn't manage to keep it consistently 50%+. I used an assortment of different styles, colors, LP copy, call to action buttons/pictures/links, and offers. Even with my short tail campaign AdCTR of 10% I still couldn't get this consistently profitable. My best day on this campaign came on a Saturday and the LPCTR was just shy of 60%. Ironically enough ROI was 108% - I didn't change a thing and the next day was -20%.

ROI: The biggest help to my ROI was consistently testing different LPs and then the 108% day. Only 4 of my 19 days were profitable: 108%, 81%, 18%, 3% - These were random days and nothing was changed the following day but ROI never ceased to drop at least 40%.

LP CR: It didn't help that yesterday I got pillaged in terms of conversions/profit: -100%. Ironically enough, yet again, the best conversion days were the best ROI days: 108%: 11.5%, 81%: 20%, 18%: 8.11%, 3%: 14.29% - This day would have dominated, but LPCTR was a dismal 28%.

There are the stats. Like I said, it is VERY hard to get broad short tail words profitable (at least from the 3 weeks I tried next to nothing else but to get that profitable).

POSITIVES:
- Learned a ton
- Decent sized check from network
- AMEX points

NEGATIVES:
- Lost cash
- Decent(er) sized payment to CC

What's next?

I'm essentially "re-building" this campaign. I'm not going to bid on the short-tail anymore, which will cause a huge hit to volume, but I decided who cares about volume if it keeps you in the red? I'd rather have this campaign returning 50%+ consistently on a $30 spend than losing me $50/day on a $200 spend. Especially after 3 weeks of that, it gets old.

If anybody has any additional help about finding LT keywords or just want to further analyze my stats, feel free.

As I said, I learned A LOT from this campaign, which was really my first full blown campaign that I tested, tested, tested and spent a decent amount of money on.
 
Setup a spreadsheet in excel with formulas and simply input all the data pulled from PPC campaigns, P202, and my affiliate networks. It's difficult to be 100% accurate because some clicks are tracked differently at each place, but if you pull the data from the same spot every time, it's very accurate and you can begin to notice trends, and hopefully benefit from them. Unfortunately, I didn't gain much (monetarily) from my analysis.
 
You should try improving your quality score--this should decrease your CPCs.

I highly recommend this video by Wes. The only thing I'd do different is keep your campaign on standard match, and do not use the keyword insertion tool.

Remember, you just need to lower your CPC by a little.
 
Here is a little nugget of gold that SEO_Mike gave away in another thread :
Pay attention to your CTR versus Conversion Rate. I've personally had ads (recently in fact) that absolutely killed it CTR-wise. Literally 10x more CTR than any of my other ads, but it didn't convert. Found some ads that converted like crazy, but the CTR was horrible. Didn't matter though, the low CTR / high conversion ads gave me the best days I've seen on that network. Don't get too caught up in the CTR game. Sure you need to pull people off the page, but more importantly you need to convert them.
I just recently realized this also. I was tracking conversion per keyword, adgroup, etc but foolishly not per creative. When I started doing this I saw that some ads had double the conversion rate than others. I doubled my conversion on one ad by simply adding one word to the headline.
 
@uguxseo: Thank you! I have lowered CPC significantly, I guess I could drop it a bit more and see what happens. QS is 4-5 bars though so I can't do much better.

@silentbob: Great tip. I need to be more detailed in my tracking apparently. I'm going to have to rebuild and retrack everything so I can turn this into a profit machine!
 
@uguxseo: Thank you! I have lowered CPC significantly, I guess I could drop it a bit more and see what happens. QS is 4-5 bars though so I can't do much better.

@silentbob: Great tip. I need to be more detailed in my tracking apparently. I'm going to have to rebuild and retrack everything so I can turn this into a profit machine!

Are you using prosper202? There are a lot of tutorials to show you how to track properly from Wes.
 
Yeah I'm using 202. What I mean is that I need to actually input the ad test and stuff for each. I got lazy and just started copying the links so I didn't have to track that for each ad-group. Apparently, I should!

Thanks for the reminder :)
 
Yahoo will send you traffic from many different sources outside of Just yahoo the search engine. Im not sure if 202 can track it but I know that a google pixel can. If you place the google pixel on your lp you can see if certain sources are not clicking through to your offer page. You can block these sources in your yahoo account but i forget where.
 
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