Disappointing Experience with Azoogle (as advertiser)

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First off, I'm not posting this to complain so much as I am to provide some information for other advertisers who may be considering Azoogle.

My company started working with them back in Nov of 2006 on a straightforward credit score improvement product.

Azoogle wanted a $10K deposit up front, which was later reduced to $5K, in order for us to have our product placed into their network. So we forked over the cash, and provided the additional info they wanted. About two weeks later, the offer was "live" on their network. At this point, we were expecting to see some sales. Nothing out of the ordinary, but let's say up to 5 per day. Fast forward about 1.5 weeks ahead, it's the second week of December and we have not seen a single conversion, nor did we receive ANY traffic from Azoogle.

Now December may not be the ideal time to expect great figures for this type of product, but zero was just unacceptable. Our azoogle rep was at first unresponsive, but a good 5 weeks into the process, the rep started providing us with generalized responses to specific questions...not very confidence-inspiring. Finally, the peak of our Azoogle experience happened early this month, when someone sent out a large emailing...we got a lot of traffic, but only a few sales off that - a pathetic .3% conversion rate.

All the while, we were asking for some kind of feedback or stats from Azoogle that we could examine in comparison with our own, so that we might improve the website or make tweaks to improve its performance. Their response was to wait until the end of the month, when our offer woudl be included in a mailing. After having us wait, they decided not to include the offer in the mailing, instead they wanted to remove it from their network and forget about it. At this point, we had no argument with that, and we are expecting a refund of our remaining $5K deposit.

Some problems with Azoogle, at least as it was portrayed by our rep, is that they really seem to be too focused on their affiliates and not so much the advertisers - THE ONES PAYING EVERYONE. A lot could have been done to revise and improve the offer, but nothing was done. We had no idea who was promoting our offer, so we could not do anything like make a custom landing page or whatever. Azoogle also demanded a ridiculously high payout per conversion, forcing us to sell the product at a higher price than we originally intended (hey, we're trying to make money too you know). There is very little flexibility with what we can do to entice affiliates, or to tweak our offer.

I personally suspect that the main reason our offer performed so poorly is that it was not a ringtone offer....so we're going to revise the product, change it up and promote it ourselves thru PPC...we just wanted to try something a little different this time, but we always find ourselves coming back to gool ol' PPC. :)
 


This is your side of the story... I'd like to know... What youre offer was and what you were giving for leads... how competitive the market was... etc etc..

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not sure on the quality of your landing page but it's definitely interesting that Azoogle had very little feedback on why you're getting so few leads
 
If you would have contacted us BEFORE you cancelled. Perhaps we could have looked at the campaign on azoogle and gave you feedback... Is it still up? or did they already take it down?
 
EFUT EFUTURE said:
I dunno every ad network has disgruntled customers.

Disgruntled we are not. As I stated, it was simply an experiment to see if we could grow our business by using Azoogle's services. In our case, the answer is a resounding no, but I am sure that there are many successful offers on Azoogle.

If you would have contacted us BEFORE you cancelled. Perhaps we could have looked at the campaign on azoogle and gave you feedback... Is it still up? or did they already take it down?

It was their decision to remove the offer and we saw no reason to disagree with that, although I personally feel we could have done more to make it work. Their decision to remove it was abrupt. As far as I know, it will still be on their network until the end of this month.
 
Well I've never been an advertiser but I know quite a bit about being an affiliate. And there two major things I would have suggested you do: 1. Split test your landing pages with PPC before you shove them out into the affiliate world. A smart affiliate might give 50-60 hits if they have traffic in your niche before they'll drop you like a bad habit if you shit doesn't convert. So come to the table with something you know that converts well. 2. It's just like any other kind of marketing let people know about your offer in every way and shape you can. Just cause you put something on a network doesn't mean that people are going to promote it. Means that more people will be exposed to it then they would if you put up a website that didn't rank. But as with most things it's all about the relationships you develop with affiliates and the numbers you put up. If you had an offer and had a few hundred posts of really good content in a few forums you'd find people that want to promote it that way. For example become well trusted and then in your sig put "Join my Credit Offer that Converts at 20% and pays residuals" I'm sure you'd have a lot people interested in something like that. As much as people want to think it's build and they will come, it's NOT! Hope this help!
 
First of this was obviously your first experience producing an offer. I can guarantee Azoogle is not your problem, they are a large and very successful network. Affiliate Networks are NOT responsible for making your offer convert. That is your job. Obviously there is something wrong with your product, offer or sales copy. Producers must engage is serous split testing before launching a product to figure out how it converts and how to improve it. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PERFECT OFFER. Every single one should be on a never ending cycle of improvement. If you launch an offer on a network without testing your risk some serious issues including affiliate hatred for your "brand." Once affiliate run your offer and realize it converts like crap no matter what you do in the future there it will be hard to convince them to try your offer again once they have failed with it. Most offers are not going to be successful the first time around, don't expect great conversions without some serious hard work on improvement.
 
Yes, this was obviously our first offer on Azoogle, as you may have discerned from me stating that several times in the original post; however, I did not say that Azoogle was a problem for us. My company is not new at ecommerce, or effective online promotion. Please read the original post more carefully, and you may realize that it is simply detailing our experience with Azoogle. Yes, it is just OUR perspective, and I am sure that other advertisers have different experiences. At no point do I ask for advice. :)


First of this was obviously your first experience producing an offer. I can guarantee Azoogle is not your problem, they are a large and very successful network. Affiliate Networks are NOT responsible for making your offer convert. That is your job. Obviously there is something wrong with your product, offer or sales copy. Producers must engage is serous split testing before launching a product to figure out how it converts and how to improve it. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PERFECT OFFER. Every single one should be on a never ending cycle of improvement. If you launch an offer on a network without testing your risk some serious issues including affiliate hatred for your "brand." Once affiliate run your offer and realize it converts like crap no matter what you do in the future there it will be hard to convince them to try your offer again once they have failed with it. Most offers are not going to be successful the first time around, don't expect great conversions without some serious hard work on improvement.
 
sknydave said:
As previously asked, what was your offer and payout?

It was $20, but that really does not matter at this point.

smaxor said:
"At no point do I ask for advice." Well maybe you should Asshat!

And I'm sure that any advice you would offer is brilliant, as you are quite obviously the go-to guy around here for advice:

"Well I've never been an advertiser..."

Nice, we establish that you know what your talking about right off the bat.

"A smart affiliate might give 50-60 hits if they have traffic in your niche before they'll drop you like a bad habit if you shit doesn't convert."

Most def! A smart affiliate WOULD do that! Can any SMART affiliates here please chime in and verify that you will drop any offer that does not convert after you supply up to 60 unique visitors? I know the answer is yes, but...

"For example become well trusted and then in your sig put "Join my Credit Offer that Converts at 20% and pays residuals" I'm sure you'd have a lot people interested in something like that."

Converts at 20% AND pays residuals...wow, why didn't we think of that. Let's just keep paying for an action that happens one time, and we only make money on once.

Thank you Smart Affiliate, your advice has shown me why things didn't work out. If it wasn't for your smartness, we wouldn't know what to do! Hey you should make a website with all this useful info you know, and charge a monthly fee for people to access it. Maybe you can pay other smart affiliates residuals for promoting it! :xomunch:
 
It was $20, but that really does not matter at this point.



And I'm sure that any advice you would offer is brilliant, as you are quite obviously the go-to guy around here for advice:

"Well I've never been an advertiser..."

Nice, we establish that you know what your talking about right off the bat.

"A smart affiliate might give 50-60 hits if they have traffic in your niche before they'll drop you like a bad habit if you shit doesn't convert."

Most def! A smart affiliate WOULD do that! Can any SMART affiliates here please chime in and verify that you will drop any offer that does not convert after you supply up to 60 unique visitors? I know the answer is yes, but...

"For example become well trusted and then in your sig put "Join my Credit Offer that Converts at 20% and pays residuals" I'm sure you'd have a lot people interested in something like that."

Converts at 20% AND pays residuals...wow, why didn't we think of that. Let's just keep paying for an action that happens one time, and we only make money on once.

Thank you Smart Affiliate, your advice has shown me why things didn't work out. If it wasn't for your smartness, we wouldn't know what to do! Hey you should make a website with all this useful info you know, and charge a monthly fee for people to access it. Maybe you can pay other smart affiliates residuals for promoting it! :xomunch:
why dont you get your ribs shattered by a sledge hammer so you can suck your own dick?
 
In total, how many unique hits did your recieve from Azoogle?

My recommendation for a next time (if there is one) is to line up a couple azoogle with credit score traffic and let them know your offer is live and invite them to test it out.
 
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