good point but i dont think google cross check ip with billing. too many customers in too many places.
they don't even use your billing info in initial credit card verification.
well, they didnt. maybe now they do.
Do all new adwords accounts get reviewed?
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good point but i dont think google cross check ip with billing. too many customers in too many places.
they don't even use your billing info in initial credit card verification.
well, they didnt. maybe now they do.
How does that work unless you're dialing up a long distance number? (expensive??) Or maybe I'm retarded?
PayPal does this. logged into my account via VPN and had immediately limited access... proof of your physical adress needed (not older than a month or so I think) among other things to get it live again.
Anyway, to stay on-topic: lol google lol
Yeah, I have unlimited long distance already. $15/month for the dial up account is nothing. I seem to use it a couple times a month for 10 minutes to create a new account or something. It's only when you enter the card information into the account that it matters. You can manage your accounts from anywhere after that. Like Itchy points out, there are plenty of ways to get around it.
I'm 100% certain that MSN Adcenter and YSM also use a geo ip distance to physical address on card fraud check. I'm nearly certain that the limit is 500 miles for Yahoo, but I'm not sure if that is standard. Maybe it varies depending on the service, Google,Yahoo,Paypal,MSN.
Thank you for this info sounds like a good tip to keep in mind when needed. Curious if you could go online and temporary change the CC address when needed to fit the situation?
Also I need to find out more information on on how the VPS Windows setup plays into creating new-clean PPC accounts that @nator, @itchy and others have referred to. Can't quite get my head around how the whole scenario works.
You're welcome. I'm not the VPS Windows expert. I've never done it. It shouldn't be that big a deal though. Me, I just use proxies and multiple browsers on multiple computers. I'll be logged into 8 or 10 accounts at the same time from different IP's using 2 or 3 computers.
Regarding temporary changing the CC address, it would depend on your banking institution. I use only debit cards. No credit cards for me. But I do know for a fact that your bank account mailing address might change while the address associated with the debit card stays the same. If I were you, I'd call your bank or credit card provider's customer service line and tell them you had a problem with a transaction going through for a legitimate purchase. Then you can ask them to change the address and phone number associated with the debit/credit card. Maybe you can change it via your bank login, but I wouldn't expect it to be that simple. Maybe for some VCC's that would work. But it can be a hassle to find VCC's that the networks will accept.
If nothing else, try changing the address online, then call the customer service folks at your bank and ask them what address is associated with your card.
Also, whether I need to or not, I like to have my bank give unique phone numbers to each debit card. It might matter depending on what kind of account you are creating. I don't like my accounts tied together. Last time I made a Google (Adsense) account I bought a tracphone for $15 to cover the phone verification thing. I guess you could use VOIP numbers for that and it might be cheaper.
DangerBrown: OK so to wrap up this geo stuff, since they don't check the given billing address against the card/bank (in my experience) - all you need to do is to give some address which is physically close to your IP location. Am I missing something?
Plus you mentioned phone verification - you think they do that for AW as well? Or just adsense?
ps ads still don't run, over a week now.
Plus you mentioned phone verification - you think they do that for AW as well? Or just adsense?
ps ads still don't run, over a week now.
Hi Nator,
I'm not sure about Adwords and the billing address verification. I never tried putting an incorrect address. I am aware that with some services the billing info you put in will be matched against the address on file. Sometimes they may match only the numbers and sometimes it's more detailed. You may still be able to get away with cheating the address like you say, but there is a general trend towards increasing levels of online security. It may not work tomorrow. Personally, I think cheating the IP address is the safer bet.
For instance, you may get away with 1234 Nator Rd. Beverly Hills, CA 90210 being treated the same as 1234 Wickedfire Lane, Washington, DC 90210.....in some cases. But in other cases, you may find that an exact match is required. I have had the personal experience of having to put "Road" vs "Rd." with an online purchase. Transaction denied until I got it right.
No, I don't think Adwords requires phone verification. The Adsense thing is an automated "click here to receive call" deal where you get a computer voice giving you a pin number to enter.
But forgive me. I haven't opened up an Adwords account for quite a while. My info could be off. Google pissed me off and I've been trying to reduce/avoid any dependence on them.
I'm not sure about Adwords and the billing address verification. I never tried putting an incorrect address. I am aware that with some services the billing info you put in will be matched against the address on file. Sometimes they may match only the numbers and sometimes it's more detailed. You may still be able to get away with cheating the address like you say, but there is a general trend towards increasing levels of online security. It may not work tomorrow. Personally, I think cheating the IP address is the safer bet.
For instance, you may get away with 1234 Nator Rd. Beverly Hills, CA 90210 being treated the same as 1234 Wickedfire Lane, Washington, DC 90210.....in some cases. But in other cases, you may find that an exact match is required. I have had the personal experience of having to put "Road" vs "Rd." with an online purchase. Transaction denied until I got it right.
No, I don't think Adwords requires phone verification. The Adsense thing is an automated "click here to receive call" deal where you get a computer voice giving you a pin number to enter.
But forgive me. I haven't opened up an Adwords account for quite a while. My info could be off. Google pissed me off and I've been trying to reduce/avoid any dependence on them.
Just got an email from them saying that the account didnt pass review. Of course they don't state the reason. In addition they wrote that all accounts (if any) related to this one are suspended too, and that I shouldn't attempt to create new accounts :angryfire:
Whatever their reason, I probably cannot use the same card to open new accounts.
Itchy you mentioned some card solutions, mind sharing?
Whatever their reason, I probably cannot use the same card to open new accounts.
Itchy you mentioned some card solutions, mind sharing?
I don't know if you'll like this or not Nator. If it's only for the cards, this is an expensive solution, but it's nearly bulletproof and will allow you to build account history into the future.
Me, I have a couple LLC's with registered agent services. I chose 2 different registered agents so I'd have different addresses. They'll do mail forwarding and it avoids having a PMB mail forwarding address like you get at a UPS store type place. Each LLC can open it's own bank account(s) and get as many debit cards as you want. If you screw up and get banned again, you can transfer the same company to a new registered agent service (new address) or just open a new LLC(new everything).
It also gives you a separate tax ID so you can have multiple accounts with all sorts of networks and so forth. If you make lots of money, you can use the LLC's to reduce your tax bill to as low as 15% depending on how you work it.
I make a point of having multiple Google,network,PPC,etc accounts and try to spread my income and spending across them. I'm very careful with my computers,domains, hosting accounts,etc. to not link any of the accounts.
Me, I have a couple LLC's with registered agent services. I chose 2 different registered agents so I'd have different addresses. They'll do mail forwarding and it avoids having a PMB mail forwarding address like you get at a UPS store type place. Each LLC can open it's own bank account(s) and get as many debit cards as you want. If you screw up and get banned again, you can transfer the same company to a new registered agent service (new address) or just open a new LLC(new everything).
It also gives you a separate tax ID so you can have multiple accounts with all sorts of networks and so forth. If you make lots of money, you can use the LLC's to reduce your tax bill to as low as 15% depending on how you work it.
I make a point of having multiple Google,network,PPC,etc accounts and try to spread my income and spending across them. I'm very careful with my computers,domains, hosting accounts,etc. to not link any of the accounts.
citicard allow you to change address online, also i've had successful account created from ip over 1000+ miles from billing zipcode. but they didn't last. I suggest you try and use local ip/local area code and real zipcode. I've had success creating accounts using 100% made up billing address but they dont last as long as the accounts with lower security risk. When creating accounts just think what a REAL local business would do.