I'd have to disagree with your disagreement.
I'm not here to discuss the merit of comscore though. I'm sure it's a valid form of measurement.Does anyone else think azoogle is cheap?
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I'd have to disagree with your disagreement.
I'm not here to discuss the merit of comscore though. I'm sure it's a valid form of measurement.
To answer your question with my anecdote:
No. But I really think it all depends on the advertiser not Azoogle really. the advertiser can act like dicks if they want. I promoted ringtones & the credit report offers and never had any problems (and it converted very well).
Many publishers have experienced what you experienced, and it's not localized to Azoogle. One thing that I know is that it's very difficult to make anyone post something positive, but whenever someone is unhappy, they are going to tell as many people as possible. Rarely do you ever read on CNN.com about how GREAT things are in the world, all you read about is death, crime and despair. So, it's not surprising that you read a lot of negative posts here.
As to specifically what you experienced, it's unfortunate. I posted a little earlier that advertisers that approve of a particular traffic type will pay more for it, but it often happens that advertisers AREN'T happy with a particular traffic type, and while they don't disapprove of it, they will pay less for it. You win some, you lose some. This is why there are hundreds of posts here where various people that have a lot of experience will tell you to test as many campaigns as you can, to find out what works for you. It still amazes me to this day that an advertiser will call into question one publisher's quality and praise another, even though both publishers are buying traffic in the SAME place. It happens EVERY single day, but it's a fact of life and something you learn to live with. Not all advertisers are as educated as publishers, and publishers shouldn't assume that all advertisers are out to cheat them. There ARE good advertisers out there, and we work with many of them. I'm really starting to sound like an infomercial and I hate it.
I have to disagree with you here, unless I misunderstood it.. I'm definitely NOT taking sides with any networks on this either, just showing some points you guys need to start addressing NOW.
An affiliate manager and/or network should not only have every right to look at your landing page but you should ask them first!
Why?
Because you want to make sure it's approved and follows compliance rules with that network and advertiser.
I know, it sounds creepy and like a pain in the ass, but seriously, what would you rather do? Run the campaign, and get banned and fortfeit the revenue back to the network/advertiser for running something on your LP that can potentially hurt their brand/name or mislead the consumer?
OR
Would you rather get approval first, so that when you run your campaign, IF for ANY reason or excuse even, that you get banned by the network or advertiser, you can supply PROOF that your campaign's landing page was approved by them BEFORE you ran it.
If you don't want the AM or network to see any specific coding or whatever, show them a fucking screenshot/image layout of the landing page. And after approval, then code it up and run it.
Make sure that you get approval through EMAIL at least. The best is a written/faxed contract or approval notice, but lets face it, we move way too quickly to wait for that shit. So email should be just fine. AIM/IM's is okay sometimes too, but can make things a bit more difficult for you, so the safest bet, email approval from your AM.
This goes out to everyone too... if you had email approval of your landing pages, and then got canned by any network, not just AzoogleAds, then you should contact someone here or at least make it public on the forum. Not because bringing your dirty laundry here is so entertaining, but because the more people decide to ignore it, the more it will happen to other affiliates. We can only help you guys if you report it.
Pretty cool when the founder of Azoogle can jump into a post and back-up his company. That is another reason why WickedFire is a great place and worth some time.
Instead of all the back and forth, it sounds like there are some very smart publishers engaged on this post that can work together with Alex (or any other network or direct advertiser) and improve campaigns which should mean more revenue and profit.
Instead of worrying about getting screwed over, our company focuses on finding ways to improve the process and dig into anything we think is sneaky or shady. There are plenty of shitty companies, shitty affiliates and crappy campaigns. The more good companies and good affiliates can promote and optimize good offers, we can all win.
Great stuff here - I hope we get a chance to work with any of the affiliates here.
Instead of all the back and forth, it sounds like there are some very smart publishers engaged on this post that can work together with Alex (or any other network or direct advertiser) and improve campaigns which should mean more revenue and profit.
Instead of worrying about getting screwed over, our company focuses on finding ways to improve the process and dig into anything we think is sneaky or shady. There are plenty of shitty companies, shitty affiliates and crappy campaigns. The more good companies and good affiliates can promote and optimize good offers, we can all win.
Great stuff here - I hope we get a chance to work with any of the affiliates here.
This post is getting good.
It is very important to know the traffic source no matter what it may be. Be honest with your AM. If they do not want what you have to offer go somewhere else. As far as them helping to increase ROI sometimes that is possible. It really depends who they are. I know some great ones out there. They know what they are talking about. I also know some horrible ones who are just there to be there.
Like JON said show them a screenshot. It is not that big of a deal. I know it is a pain. Honestly I would like to think you do not feel a company is going to rip you off in any way or you should not be working with them AT ALL.
Here is one major pointer you should look into when working with your affiliate manager. What have they done in the past what do they know. There are different aspects of this industry and getting the right AM will make a huge difference for you and everyone. If you do PPC find a manager who had done it. If you do SEO find one who has done it. If you do mailing....You get the idea.
I have heard nothing but great things of Azoogle. Though they will not take me on. Mainly because I am a network. From the other people I have talked to about them they are a great place.
I think it speaks volumes that the CEO of a multi-million dollar company is on here the talk and work things out with people. Everyone wants those big accounts but honestly. I would rather build that big account and help someone along from the start.
They just do not fall into your lap. It is the smaller people that you help build that will bring you the best gratification. I am here to help as everyone else is. If you have any questions I can try and answer just let me know. If I cannot I am sure I can find someone who can.
It is very important to know the traffic source no matter what it may be. Be honest with your AM. If they do not want what you have to offer go somewhere else. As far as them helping to increase ROI sometimes that is possible. It really depends who they are. I know some great ones out there. They know what they are talking about. I also know some horrible ones who are just there to be there.
Like JON said show them a screenshot. It is not that big of a deal. I know it is a pain. Honestly I would like to think you do not feel a company is going to rip you off in any way or you should not be working with them AT ALL.
Here is one major pointer you should look into when working with your affiliate manager. What have they done in the past what do they know. There are different aspects of this industry and getting the right AM will make a huge difference for you and everyone. If you do PPC find a manager who had done it. If you do SEO find one who has done it. If you do mailing....You get the idea.
I have heard nothing but great things of Azoogle. Though they will not take me on. Mainly because I am a network. From the other people I have talked to about them they are a great place.
I think it speaks volumes that the CEO of a multi-million dollar company is on here the talk and work things out with people. Everyone wants those big accounts but honestly. I would rather build that big account and help someone along from the start.
They just do not fall into your lap. It is the smaller people that you help build that will bring you the best gratification. I am here to help as everyone else is. If you have any questions I can try and answer just let me know. If I cannot I am sure I can find someone who can.
I still have the same question. I can deal with bowing to the advertisers desire to know their traffic source. But if they ok it/do not object, why should I have to deal with scrubbing on the backend?
They had their chance to raise an issue. And they didn't. If the networks are protecting them vs. shit leads, why can the affiliate not be protected vs. scrubbing?
They had their chance to raise an issue. And they didn't. If the networks are protecting them vs. shit leads, why can the affiliate not be protected vs. scrubbing?
The best thing I ever did w/ azoogle...
Is talk to "mitchazoogle" on aim
Told him my issues w/ my AM & he got me someone w/ a brain.
You guys don't be afraid to tell your affiliate manager no. Lower payout? Unacceptible, go tell your sales staff to fix it. (obviously, only gonna work if you're doing decent volume.) Want to see my landing page? Why? Okay, I do not want to show you. Don't want to hurt your feelings but I don't trust anyone.
Is talk to "mitchazoogle" on aim
Told him my issues w/ my AM & he got me someone w/ a brain.
You guys don't be afraid to tell your affiliate manager no. Lower payout? Unacceptible, go tell your sales staff to fix it. (obviously, only gonna work if you're doing decent volume.) Want to see my landing page? Why? Okay, I do not want to show you. Don't want to hurt your feelings but I don't trust anyone.
Are you kidding me? Any affiliate network in this space, who isn't constantly monitoring their affiliates promotion techniques, especially in mobile, is out of touch and looking for legal implications. One affiliate using the word "free" on a landing page, using a carrier logo inappropriately or worse tries hiding the pricing by using some iframe technique, can cause millions of dollars in damages.
Any affiliate who feels uncomfortable with showing their landing page creatives, is doing something they should not be doing. I applaud any affiliate network who is willing to refuse business in return of ensuring compliance.
Traditionally speaking, large affiliates have no issue understanding this concept. They have an open book policy when it comes to their creatives and the general traffic source (email, display, search). It's the small affiliates, who are routinely trying to scam the system.
Eddie.
Yea, I've got to disagree with you Eduardo. I've been burn twice now by advertisers who have requested my creatives and traffic source. It always leaves a warm fuzzy feeling in my heart when I send in a creative for approval only to see it up and running prior to me even getting approval to run it.
It's not a trust issue with networks, it's with advertisers.
It's not a trust issue with networks, it's with advertisers.
I'd have to say ringtones is the exception to the rule considering the recent lawsuits and restrictions put on ringtones avertising. I know you're personally heavily invested in that area, but i'm sure you know the same rules don't apply for everything else.
A lot of advertisers sign IOs with networks that prohibit certain types of traffic, for whatever reason. They have every right to check on the traffic sources & make sure that they're not getting screwed. The network should also insert an enforceable statement into the IO about the advertiser not being allowed to take keywords/LPs from affiliates, though. A legal contract is a legal contract, and most companies don't want to go through legal action over stealing a single landing page or anything like that.
I think it comes down to the fact that many affiliate marketers aren't grasping the difference between low quality and premium traffic/leads. In many cases affiliates get mad when the lead they just generated gets scrubbed due to poor traffic. These affiliates really aren't understanding that the only reason why Networks like Azoogle are able to pay out so well is because the leads generated by an affiliate, which are of quality, allow advertisers to convert those leads into a sale. When an Advertiser sees a satisfactory ROI from using a particular network this allows that network to negotiate a higher payout for both themselves and the affiliate.
Wow, great post!! Can any one explain to me about "scrubbing"? I'm a newbie here to learn. I have gotten a sinking feeling the the AMs and networks get more of the cash than the affiliate does. I've seen commission rates that are so low on small order sites that I am sure you can't make enough money to pay for your web site and all of your hard work getting content and traffic. Also is there any money to be made in a pay for sale model?
Hey ldsmedia, two threads went into this in pretty good detail last week:
http://www.wickedfire.com/affiliate-marketing/33696-why-scrubbing-leads-legal.html
http://www.wickedfire.com/affiliate...vertiser-network-owner-scrubbing-shaving.html
Considering I'm from a network, you'll probably take this with a grain of salt, but on a per-lead basis, in general the highest amount of cash goes to the merchant, then the affiliate, then the network. Individual affiliate results vary (of course), and are dependent on how much you spend to get your traffic, how well you work the traffic you get, and how much of a deal you make with your network.
I read some stuff about if you don't show your landing page means you're trying to scam.
That is definately not right.
If you have an idea that you think will work and make you big, you shouldn't share that with anybody.
Advertisers, A.M.'s anybody..... who wouldn't want to make a million regularly?
When you get into those figures, your perspective changes.
don't give access to that info to anybody. consider your keywords, landing pages, etc.. your bank account or SSN. that type of info you dont give to nobody, not even your mama. keep it a wu tang secret.
if you're doing that well with your system, make up a fake domain/website to pass off to your networks.
also as stated if you're on a network, most all other networks have the same offer... so go elsewhere
That is definately not right.
If you have an idea that you think will work and make you big, you shouldn't share that with anybody.
Advertisers, A.M.'s anybody..... who wouldn't want to make a million regularly?
When you get into those figures, your perspective changes.
don't give access to that info to anybody. consider your keywords, landing pages, etc.. your bank account or SSN. that type of info you dont give to nobody, not even your mama. keep it a wu tang secret.
if you're doing that well with your system, make up a fake domain/website to pass off to your networks.
also as stated if you're on a network, most all other networks have the same offer... so go elsewhere
I'd leave them I did, they wanted 10k of the money I made with them back cause an advertiser bitched, and they also still owe me 2-3k dollars and refuse to pay it. Ever since they became epic advertising or a child of they have been horrible and don't care about the affiliates anymore I mean look at what has happened with them since Jan. Stay away.
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