education required for IM as a full time job?

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College is in most cases an utter waste of life and money. There is little you can learn there that you can't learn at your own pace outside of a classroom environment, typically at a small fraction of the cost. If you need it for the social environment, just kill yourself now.

Just read an interesting tidbit in Entrepreneur:
The wealthiest entrepreneurs share some common characteristics, according to a 2007 study on affluence in the U.S. from American Express Publishing and the Harrison Group. Researchers looked at the top half of the top 1 percent of America's wealthiest individuals -- those who have assets of $5 million or more. (the sampling was representative of the top 600,000 households in America, whose mean value of household assets is $30.6 million.) Within this data set, they compared entrepreneurs with nonentrepreneurs. Among the findings:

->Entrepreneurs are less likely to be college graudates than non-entrepreneurs.
->They are more likely to attribute their success to determination, while nonentrepreneurs credit intelligence and education.
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Other stuff about money obsession fills out the list.

What are you going to learn in four years and $60k+ that you can't learn in five or six years out in the world for a fraction of that? A few highly technical fields and medical professions aside, fuck all.


Frank
 


fm1234 said:
College is in most cases an utter waste of life and money. There is little you can learn there that you can't learn at your own pace outside of a classroom environment, typically at a small fraction of the cost. If you need it for the social environment, just kill yourself now.

Just read an interesting tidbit in Entrepreneur:


Other stuff about money obsession fills out the list.

What are you going to learn in four years and $60k+ that you can't learn in five or six years out in the world for a fraction of that? A few highly technical fields and medical professions aside, fuck all.


Frank
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Sounds like frustration from the kid who stayed behind at community college while all of his friends went off to school, gaining life experiences, new friends, relationships, networking, opportunities, open doors, education, and in some cases a determined career path.

I wouldn't trade my 4 years (5 now, 1 for a Master's), for anything. I doubt you could find many people who would.
 
A college degree has been absolutely worthless to me in the stock market, starting businesses and now in internet marketing- I survive with my wits and intelligence, but I might not have gotten any of these chances without that piece of paper.

I have made many millions without ever using anything I learned in college, other than how to drink.

That said, a college degree is a differentiator I use when hiring people. Without one, my first thought is Cowboy. With one, I start analyzing life experience. It is like getting a resume with lots of misspelled words.

Spelling has zero to do with my business and yes there are lots of spell checkers, but someone too lazy to use one is probably not the employee I want. Same with a college drop-out or non-attendee. I want someone smart enough to know they might learn something useful there.

I got one after starting and selling 2 successful businesses. I went back because I made a promise to my grandmother, I would finish school. I am the first male in 5 generations in my family not to have a doctorate degree! I dont use mine, but my take on the original question was about getting a job...

I believe that I employ more Internet marketers than anyone else on this board. It is important for my hiring decisions. If you work solo then the only thing that is ever important is your achievements, if you want a salary the most important thing is whatever is most important to your boss. Not saying I would never hire someone without a degree, just that they would have to impress me greatly in other respects.


Diorex
 
I am the first male in 5 generations in my family not to have a doctorate degree! I don't use mine, but the original question was about getting a job...
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That just tells me that its in your gene [pool] to be driven and successful; you chose to build multiple successful companies rather than pursue academia - there's nothing wrong with that at all.

I think it's important to know that an individuals chance for success will be much greater with a degree; driven entrepreneurs, however, are destined to be successful, degree or not.

As a successful - yet degree-less internet marketer, I'd say to keep your options open Diorex. I think it's funny when I meet these agency-type SEO/SEM/Media folks, most people I know in this industry that work for themselves also have no degree and can run circles around these people in terms of knowledge and experience. That's why the best of us work for ourselves, and the rest work for the man. In this case, Diorex.
 
I've been in college for about a year now and I have not learned anything in class that will really help me in life; at all. Everything useful I have learned has been out of class and to me has been worth the money paid. I mean I could have stayed home lived in mom and dads basement, put my social life on hold and be making serious bank. I am really glad that I decided to go to school. I can not do as much work (online) as I would like to but to me college is about maturing or "finding yourself."

Do you need college for the online market?
No
Is college an $80K party?
Yes, and I mean I'm only living once so I may as well have some better memories then coding in my parents basement.
 
invisible777:
Sounds like frustration from the kid who stayed behind at community college while all of his friends went off to school, gaining life experiences, new friends, relationships, networking, opportunities, open doors, education, and in some cases a determined career path.
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Sounds like a guy who just realised he can't get his money or his time back :)

I dropped out of high school, layed around like a stupid kid for a little while, then traveled the world, met all kinds of interesting people, fucked lots of them, made a ton of money, pissed it away, traveled some more, learned several languages, did most of the main drugs, tried most of the main religions, had some more sex, then settled down and started my first business around the time that my age-grouped peers were either getting their degree or trying to figure out how many more years they were going to have to stay on the hamster wheel before they had a degree worth having.

I wouldn't trade my 4 years (5 now, 1 for a Master's), for anything. I doubt you could find many people who would.
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Funny, I meet them all the time -- working in a field unrelated to their degree, wondering why they bothered. The best most can say is usually either "Well, it was a worthwhile experience" or my personal favourite, "At least I have something to fall back on," both of which are nonsensical.


Frank
/"Life experience" in college? Priceless!
 
Get your degree in something that gives you a back up. Who the fuck knows what the web will be like in 10 years.

Work at this part time though - no sense in it NOT paying for you to go.

Hell - I'm 33 years old with kids and I'm going back for my second degree this coming year. I have an education degree, was a plumber for years, and make a nice income on-line. I'm going back to get my computer science degree just 'because' I want to.

If the net blew up tomorrow I would have a job same day - either as a teacher (I do keep up with my continuing education credits) - or as a plumber making about 80k a year if I drive an hour or so to work each day.

Options are good things man - can't have enough of them. You don't want to be one of those people trying at 40 years old to "learn" a new trade. You might not mind - - but your family will since you won't be making anything while you do it.
 
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