EWA DEAD

[JoseArmando]

You're dillusional like most in this space if 50k was nothing than ewa could have paid that and eliminated every ewa isn't paying thread on every forum as almost every poster is owed $500-$2000

And let's talk about "big affiliates" tanner Vaughn is a good example since the FTC basically published what he earned in his career I think it was a few hundred grand total, he claimed to be a Baller truth is he wasn't

Same goes for almost all those the FTC got none of them had money go read the final rulings so and so has a judgement of 250k but it'll be suspended when they hand over all the assets they have such as a car and a few grand in the bank

Most networks are better marketers than the affiliates who use them they make you think that $50k is chump change but in reality their bank accounts show a different story almost like those amazing stories of people losing weight with acai or getting super white teeth or wrinkle free skin with this amazing trick

Affiliates end up the sucker like the consumers they market to

If the business world worked like you imagine it we wouldn't have any multi million companies going under.

Also, $50k is what just a couple smaller affiliates or one "good" affiliate make in a month out of which about 20% is network's margin and EWA has/had hundreds of affiliates. I don't believe you know what kind of numbers networks turn daily.

We were owed $15k from EWA for a couple months and in the end Ryan came through and paid us in full, however even just from my experience I can imagine (also judging by the abundance of threads on this forum) many more in my situation and even more with way smaller amounts who were owed. And you just need 3 affiliates like me to get to $50k (and I'm a small affiliate by any measure). Does that sound like a significant amount to you?

I'm not defending anyone here but for reasons beyond me I'm trying to give you some perspective.

This whole conversation is moot though, since you've already made your mind about how this space works.

 

[CaviB]

http://youtu.be/2jPEmZ9LHH8

All dis riff raff goings on. WTF????

 

[Whatsmyname]

If the business world worked like you imagine it we wouldn't have any multi million companies going under.

Also, $50k is what just a couple smaller affiliates or one "good" affiliate make in a month out of which about 20% is network's margin and EWA has/had hundreds of affiliates. I don't believe you know what kind of numbers networks turn daily.

We were owed $15k from EWA for a couple months and in the end Ryan came through and paid us in full, however even just from my experience I can imagine (also judging by the abundance of threads on this forum) many more in my situation and even more with way smaller amounts who were owed. And you just need 3 affiliates like me to get to $50k (and I'm a small affiliate by any measure). Does that sound like a significant amount to you?

I'm not defending anyone here but for reasons beyond me I'm trying to give you some perspective.

This whole conversation is moot though, since you've already made your mind about how this space works.

I know very well how it all works and Ryan's margins are sub 10% not one network enjoys a 20% margin it's more like 10-15 at most. The 15k he owed he is lucky he grossed 1k in gross profit

I've sat on the investment banking end of the business which is why I know a lot more than you ever will. Wonder why no network with the exception of Azoogle has been able to effectively sell out? You don't see a line of bankers looking to invest in CPA becaused we've seen everyone's books and they ain't pretty

Affiliates break out like this 90% make less than $500 a month
About 6% make 500-10000, 3% make 10k to 50k a month gross and 1% makes over 50k gross a month. Same breakout in every network you lose the 1% and cash dries up and the Ponzi scheme comes to life

 

[JoseArmando]

Affiliates break out like this 90% make less than $500 a month
About 6% make 500-10000, 3% make 10k to 50k a month gross and 1% makes over 50k gross a month. Same breakout in every network you lose the 1% and cash dries up and the Ponzi scheme comes to life

So you just proved $50k wouldn't get them anywhere as far as solving their problems go. You agree with me but don't want to admit it

 

[sweeppicker]

YUp

I know very well how it all works and Ryan's margins are sub 10% not one network enjoys a 20% margin it's more like 10-15 at most. The 15k he owed he is lucky he grossed 1k in gross profit

I've sat on the investment banking end of the business which is why I know a lot more than you ever will. Wonder why no network with the exception of Azoogle has been able to effectively sell out? You don't see a line of bankers looking to invest in CPA becaused we've seen everyone's books and they ain't pretty

Affiliates break out like this 90% make less than $500 a month
About 6% make 500-10000, 3% make 10k to 50k a month gross and 1% makes over 50k gross a month. Same breakout in every network you lose the 1% and cash dries up and the Ponzi scheme comes to life

This.

 

[Whatsmyname]

So you just proved $50k wouldn't get them anywhere as far as solving their problems go. You agree with me but don't want to admit it

I never said 50k would solve their problems but if he had $50k the posts you see all over would be gone

You know what his problem is? Patent trolls, essociate will kill off ewa it's a $50k deposit for a ip lawyer just to start defending yourself and very expensive to litigate. Poor kids in Chicago didnt get affiliates money the lawyers did

The best advice I can give is be careful dealing with any network sued by essociate it's expensive and no one has won yet peoe have either settled and pay the licensing fee or gone out of business

 

[Netphase]

The EWA FB group is still full of newbies excited about their recent EWA account approval or begging to be approved. Good luck to them.

 

[CCarter]

I've sat on the investment banking end of the business which is why I know a lot more than you ever will.

Easy there tough guy. There are actual bankers who owns banks here, already.

As far as Investment bankers... We can count the total left in the USA with our fingers, lets not forget that part. There was a recent period of time there were NO invesment banks left in the US(majors). They did exactly what the affiliate world is doing, had bad risk management. Banks collapsed just like affiliate companies.

Your title, former position, is former for a reason. You have no superior knowledge that anyone here. Risk management is just that. One or two steps off the path, any company/bank if fucked.

Carry on...

 

[Whatsmyname]

Easy there tough guy. There are actual bankers who owns banks here, already.

As far as Investment bankers... We can count the total left in the USA with our fingers, lets not forget that part. There was a recent period of time there were NO invesment banks left in the US(majors). They did exactly what the affiliate world is doing, had bad risk management. Banks collapsed just like affiliate companies.

Your title, former position, is former for a reason. You have no superior knowledge that anyone here. Risk management is just that. One or two steps off the path, any company/bank if fucked.

Carry on...

Sorry investment banker as in not a Meryl lynch Goldman Lehman etc. the actual guys who invest in companies in early stages. And we had a lot of success and as far as I know the firm is still killing it

And those banks all failed writing bad mortgages but no one cared since Fannie and Freddy guaranteed them anyway

I left that space suit and ties suck

 

[momchil9]

actually there are quite a few companies doing leadgen that are backed/public. Can't be arsed to name them, but you can search for yourself.

cj, sas, iac, IB, zanox, QS to name a few.

of course those are not frequently mentioned here, because they are not so famous among the bizop/sneaky rebill crowd. neverblue sold off and I believe a4d had a funding round now a while ago. What you're saying is nonsense/trying to act like a hot shot in front of people who are not prepared/don't know any better.

 

[Whatsmyname]

actually there are quite a few companies doing leadgen that are backed/public. Can't be arsed to name them, but you can search for yourself.

cj, sas, iac, IB, zanox, QS to name a few.

of course those are not frequently mentioned here, because they are not so famous among the bizop/sneaky rebill crowd. neverblue sold off and I believe a4d had a funding round now a while ago. What you're saying is nonsense/trying to act like a hot shot in front of people who are not prepared/don't know any better.

Never blue was bought by virtrue a scammy rebill company in itself, when vertrue had issues they foud a buyer in Globalwide at a loss to what they paid for it

A4d has had no such funding post links or STFU

CJ is owned by value click and runs a completely different business model than CPA networks sas is not public but they too run a different model, iac? As in ask.com match etc? They aren't an affiliate network at all and have real tangible assets

Ohh I forgot ewa has an investor coming in too...lol

 

[Zsaleem]

 

[momchil9]

Never blue was bought by virtrue a scammy rebill company in itself, when vertrue had issues they foud a buyer in Globalwide at a loss to what they paid for it

A4d has had no such funding post links or STFU

CJ is owned by value click and runs a completely different business model than CPA networks sas is not public but they too run a different model, iac? As in ask.com match etc? They aren't an affiliate network at all and have real tangible assets

Ohh I forgot ewa has an investor coming in too...lol

I can swear, there was a 4 million funding blog post on their site, but it is redesigned now. I may very well be mistaken, so I don't hold on to that.

this still leaves zanox(typical CPA network), quinstreet(typical leadgen company), Internet brands(do tons of leadgeneration) in my reply.

It's not my fault, that you didn't do your job well. I'm not searching for more backed leadgen companies, so I can argue with a random dude, who may or may not know what he's talking about over the internet. You can search for yourself, but they are there.

Also, I haven't said anything about ewa. It has alwats been a shitty network, brokering offers. I knew that the moment when I looked at their offers and found a few that have bigger payouts than the AOR. They were uber stupid and had this coming for a long time.

 

[Whatsmyname]

I can swear, there was a 4 million funding blog post on their site, but it is redesigned now. I may very well be mistaken, so I don't hold on to that.

this still leaves zanox(typical CPA network), quinstreet(typical leadgen company), Internet brands(do tons of leadgeneration) in my reply.

It's not my fault, that you didn't do your job well. I'm not searching for more backed leadgen companies, so I can argue with a random dude, who may or may not know what he's talking about over the internet. You can search for yourself, but they are there.

Also, I haven't said anything about ewa. It has alwats been a shitty network, brokering offers. I knew that the moment when I looked at their offers and found a few that have bigger payouts than the AOR. They were uber stupid and had this coming for a long time.

With the exception of zanox the rest are lead gen not CPA networks

Zanox has the same model as CJ and sas and link share one that allows transparency for advertisers instead of a wall that CPA networks put up which is why it's considered shady

 

[Zsaleem]

 

[MaxSteve]

The generalizations that are being thrown around here are ridiculous. A CPA network is a stable and real business model if it run just like that: a real business. Way too many networks have been started by people who did not understand the core function of a network. It is not surprising that this lack of understanding of the core function, coupled with poor business management practices, has led to the failure of so many networks.

When times are prosperous, growth can easily cover any losses made by poor business practices and decisions. However, when times are lean (like now), the pretenders quickly get separated from the contenders.

This isn't just in the CPA network business, but in ALL BUSINESS.

It just seems worse in the CPA network business for two reasons. First, the barrier of entry is ridiculously low. Anyone with $100 in their pocket can start a network. Doesn't mean they have a chance in hell of making it succeed, but they can start it. Replace that $100 with $50K and maybe they can make a go of it for 6 months. But unless they have business savvy, and know what the purpose of a network truly is, they're bound to fail.

The second reason, is too many people buy into the persona of the front-man without ever doing any sort of due diligence on the company the front-man is running. Just because someone is holding a stack of cash, just because someone can stand in front of some hot cars, just because someone promises "anything goes" with their network, just because someone promises bullet-proof anonymity, just because someone was very successful as an affiliate does NOT mean they know what it takes to run a network.

The more visible they are when they start/run their network, regardless of how much money the network is truly making, the more visible their failure will be. This gets magnified tenfold when so many people fell for the style over the substance and are affected by the business failure.

In any case, I'm getting into tl;dr territory, so I'll stop here. But a CPA network IS a viable business model. It is not a Ponzi scheme nor a scam, even though some might run their network that way.

 

[WildGunner]

Ooh look more "high brow" epeen swinging with lazurs. Ungard! *swoosh* har! pew pew! Don't cross the streams! Much useful and useless information in this thread. Set your filters high. Indeed.

 

[GiJoe]

The generalizations that are being thrown around here are ridiculous. A CPA network is a stable and real business model if it run just like that: a real business. Way too many networks have been started by people who did not understand the core function of a network. It is not surprising that this lack of understanding of the core function, coupled with poor business management practices, has led to the failure of so many networks.

When times are prosperous, growth can easily cover any losses made by poor business practices and decisions. However, when times are lean (like now), the pretenders quickly get separated from the contenders.

This isn't just in the CPA network business, but in ALL BUSINESS.

It just seems worse in the CPA network business for two reasons. First, the barrier of entry is ridiculously low. Anyone with $100 in their pocket can start a network. Doesn't mean they have a chance in hell of making it succeed, but they can start it. Replace that $100 with $50K and maybe they can make a go of it for 6 months. But unless they have business savvy, and know what the purpose of a network truly is, they're bound to fail.

The second reason, is too many people buy into the persona of the front-man without ever doing any sort of due diligence on the company the front-man is running. Just because someone is holding a stack of cash, just because someone can stand in front of some hot cars, just because someone promises "anything goes" with their network, just because someone promises bullet-proof anonymity, just because someone was very successful as an affiliate does NOT mean they know what it takes to run a network.

The more visible they are when they start/run their network, regardless of how much money the network is truly making, the more visible their failure will be. This gets magnified tenfold when so many people fell for the style over the substance and are affected by the business failure.

In any case, I'm getting into tl;dr territory, so I'll stop here. But a CPA network IS a viable business model. It is not a Ponzi scheme nor a scam, even though some might run their network that way.

but this just looks S0o0o0o0o0 Kewl!

 

[Krnuernberger]

I'm not going to go deep into it, but this individual was found for fraud on our network as was provided two detailed reports explaining that his rate of proxies on offers, in some cases, were as high as 40%.

I would have never bothered looking if it were not for his complete and utter attacks towards me, but I decided to take a glance into the account. We provided him the reports, and even asked him for an explanation or some sort of substantiation why our levels were reporting high proxy use. If he had decided to even provide the slightest substantiation, we would have released his payment.

We will not pay people attempting to blackmail us through posts like this to get their fraudulent traffic paid. We provided all the reports necessary that, in detail, explained his activity with us. We will not pay on fraud, even after he makes posts everywhere like he claimed. We did exactly what any network would have done.

This frauder can't even speak English for Godsake.

Awesome, so if I provide enough screenshots from the legitimate traffic I sent you'll pay me the $12K you owe me?

 

[netbert]

Also, I haven't said anything about ewa. It has alwats been a shitty network, brokering offers. I knew that the moment when I looked at their offers and found a few that have bigger payouts than the AOR. They were uber stupid and had this coming for a long time.

Either that or the higher payout means shaving to compensate.