Full Disclosure Arbi Campaign - Niche, keyword list, ads, everything

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dekalog6 said:
Thanks for the tip pocketrockets, I'll change my template. Would you mind posting the link to the Google TOS about showing all adwords stats?

Thanks
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Sorry to hear about the invalid clicks issue. I certainly hope it wasn't a member from this forum.

As far as showing Adwords stats, I've never seen anything in the TOS that is against it. https://adwords.google.com/select/tsandcsfinder

I don't see why Google would care if you show your own spending and stats. Perry Marshall who is an Adwords expert, actually shows ALL of the stats of real campaigns he has done in the past on his famous Definitive Guide to Adwords book.

I agree with Lee and suggest you get some sort of Adsense tracker to prevent this from happening. You can set click limits per day by IP, just ban an IP all together, set it so it automatically alerts you when a certain amount of clicks come from one IP, etc.

Install Adlogger or I've heard Asrep asRep, real time Google AdSense tracking script is very good ($50). Plus, you can then figure out which ads pay the most and which ones don't and filter them from your site.
 


I think he was talking about adwords fraud and not adsense fraud.
But adlogger is going to switch and be focused on adwords fraud instead in the future.
 
I like the idea of including the search box, even though everyone has always suggested to keep the leaks to a minimum.

However, if I implement the search box, I would put it at the bottom with a comment like, didn't find what you were looking for, search for more info.

That way, if they are not going to click your links, you have a chance to get a search content click.
 
I did it like this on on site. I had a search box on the top. And in the content of the page I wrote, very visible, the names of 4 big companies in the industry that pay big on adwords. So I just hope people would search for those companies in the search box ;) I don't track what they search for though.
 
Great post but isn't driving adwords traffic to Adsense Arb pages asking to get banned by Adsense? I have stayed from using adwords to drive arb traffic because of that reason. Has anyone been banned for that? Do a lot of people use Adwords for Arb now a days?
 
PSU4Life said:
Great post but isn't driving adwords traffic to Adsense Arb pages asking to get banned by Adsense? I have stayed from using adwords to drive arb traffic because of that reason. Has anyone been banned for that? Do a lot of people use Adwords for Arb now a days?
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Google won't ban you. It's all about "user experience" for Google. If they think your content isn't relevant or your keywords you are pushing via Adwords aren't targeted enough, then they penalize you with $5-$10 keyword bids.
 
dekalog6 said:
Well, looks like somebody else was having some shits and giggles on me. I went out to a dinner party last night. Stayed up real late and didn't check on my sites till around 9:30pm today.

Seems like someone found a stray link to one of my arbi sites and drove a ton of Adwords clicks to one of the pages. Almost 24,000 clicks and over 10 million impressions to the tune of over $241. I've sent an email to Google about click fraud. I anticipate I will be getting my money back because there were 0 Adsense clicks.

I guess I was stupid not to check the forex page before posting in such a public way. Oh well, lesson learned.

So far today the forex page has made $3.33 but Adwords stats are not showing any clicks yet.

Vapor, I think you're missing the point of this test. I did not do this to toot my horn. This post was simply a way to replace an earlier one on how to do arbi that got deleted. This is simply meant to show people how to do it according to the input from people on this forum. The sample page could very well not make any money. If you've been doing arbi you know there are more failed campaigns than winners but the method for doing it is the same.

Thanks for the tip pocketrockets, I'll change my template. Would you mind posting the link to the Google TOS about showing all adwords stats?

Thanks
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I doubt you will get anythign back though. Good luck but remember google is the decider and they shal'd decieth if you get refundeth or or not. 240 isn't much money though. If you dont want to spend that much set your daily budget to only 20 dollars or something.

Also, please don' brag about making $8. That isn' really worthwhile unless you can duplicate it for many days or make more moeny.

Anyway, good tutorial
 
Great to see this thread. Thanks for starting it.
A couple of points - I run AsRep on my pages and daily I go through the ads clicked and check where they land. If they're not kosher I add them to my list. I automatically filter .info sites. Takes only 5 minutes each day, but keeps my eCPM up.

I also found that adding in privacy, contact, about us pages seems to keep my sites sweet in G's eyes. Sometimes I build mini-sites around a theme and target an ad group to each page.

As for Adwords -> Adsense, the author of the arbi pdf mentioned earlier has spoken to G about this. He had them check all his sites (1 page landers) and they approved. They said they recognised arbitrage as a legitimate business model. And he got that in writing ;) I think I also read that on another blog somewhere...Jensense???
 
you guys are missing the point i am trying to make. just because you spent $1 and happened to get good click throughs, doesn't mean if you scale it up the ratio won't change. your sample size is way way way way way too small. for example, you flip a quarter four times, and get it on heads each time. that doesn't mean if you flip a quarter 10,000 times it will land on heads each time, most likely it will be somewhere near 5,000 heads. your sample size is far too small. learn something about probability. i'd say 1000 clicks is the smallest sample to even remotely consider it valid. about 10,000 would be a good sample size to start to find out what your real ROI/CLR, et cetera will be.
 
Vapor. I think you miss what hes saying... he stated that he is trying to outline the process not offering a full on case study the second or third day dude.
 
Seostomp said:
Vapor. I think you miss what hes saying... he stated that he is trying to outline the process not offering a full on case study the second or third day dude.
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yep! and teach the newbies how to do it so they will get a fucking clue and not sound like such asshats. *okay i'm relaxed now, that felt good*
 
Thanks for the feedback everyone, both positive and negative. Here's an update of sorts.

I think people may be overly concerned about ROI and profit on this test. This post is about how to set up an arbi campaign for people totally new to the process. That's all. Some campaigns will be profitable, some will not but the PROCESS of running a campaign is the same. Some steps like article generation can be automated but you still need to get some relevant text on the page.

The hardcore arbi guys like Chris Lingle test 100's of campaigns, toss out the unprofitable ones and settle on the 150 or so that are profitable. This campaign's ROI and profit is still to be determined. It may make money, it may not. I only posted some numbers to let people know how things are going on the first few days.

I don't know how much more clearly I can explain it to people who say this is invalid because the ROI data is not there or the profit is measly.

Just to avoid this whole numbers issue. I think I'll wait a month and post some figures then.

In any case I am expanding on the campaign by trying other search engines and breaking out some of the sub niches in the main topic into separate campaigns.

PSU4Life
Great post but isn't driving adwords traffic to Adsense Arb pages asking to get banned by Adsense? I have stayed from using adwords to drive arb traffic because of that reason. Has anyone been banned for that? Do a lot of people use Adwords for Arb now a days?
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Pocketrockets is right.
Google recognizes Adwords to Adsense arbi as a valid business model. The ebook author got an ok and Shoemoney has an interview with Google rep Brian Axe on webmasterradio.fm regarding that topic. They are more concerned about user experience and intent. Go to minute 39:20 on the broadcast.
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I've got a question though. On Keyword Country, there are two statsitics "CPC" and "AvgCPC." What's the difference? Is CPC the "Estimated Average CPC" from the adwords Keyword Tool? Where does the AvgCPC come from? Is it available from places besides Keyword Country?
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CPC is the maximum bid set by advertisers. You almost never get this amount.
The avgCPC is the average of what ALL the advertisers are bidding for the keyword. You should take the avgCPC with a grain of salt, it's just gives you a more realistic idea of what payout COULD be. Testing a campaign will give you better real world data. I believe KeywordCountry grabs their data from Google's Adwords. Other keyword tools like Keyword Analyzer and Keyword Elite may also have the avgCPC figure but I'm not 100% certain.

Re:click fraud

I had bought Adspytracker and installed it several weeks ago but their support is just a FAQ and I found that some other people's sites were being tracked on my install! That freaked me out so I no longer use it.

I was planning on buying asRep and even played around with their test site but never got around to it before this ad fraud drama. I'm going to install the demo and probably upgrade to the full version once it's properly configured.

I will clean up some of my wording on my original post when I get a chance. It was posted in a rush and shows it.
 
Wow, really cool thread. Although I disagree with using Adwords for arbitrage, unless you're paying nearly nothing for clicks. You can probably use more of the "searching" traffic I suppose, and use the "buying" keywords for a custom affiliate campaign landing page.

Can't believe I missed this thread to begin with. I guess this is what happens when you take some time off of WF.
 
Jon said:
Although I disagree with using Adwords for arbitrage, unless you're paying nearly nothing for clicks.
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is this your main objection - higher cost clicks or is there something more like feeling its risky doing adwords to adsense?
 
Great post!!

How easy does everyone make it on here !!! They practically spell everything out for us.

There is no excuse for people not to be acting on this kind of info.
 
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