Get a higher payout than an affiliate network payout

[TheBrozar]

Because if you are a serious pub, you'll probably be spending at least 2k a day on traffic. This means you'll be in the hole $120,000 before you see a dime from this guy.

Literally every single person on this forum could buy a ticket to leadscon, talk to any of the people letting you iframe their forms, and get the exact same payout that this clown is getting (more than he's offering here).

There's a reason affiliate networks exist, and the reason you pay them 10% of your gross is because they pay you weekly, not just because of the work they did getting the relationship with the advertisers.

A. Why are you throwing out insults? There is no reason for you to get upset.

If you personally don't do net 30 than that's fine. But don't get pissy because there are plenty of other people who are happy to do it.

B. How could we be a serious edu advertiser and not pay our affiliates?

Have you been fucked in the past? You seem to have some deep hatred for net 30.

C. I'm not looking for iFrames. I am looking for email traffic.

D. You can get better than a $60 CPA? I am the direct advertiser and I haven't heard of anyone doing anything close to that. I usually give out $40 to networks (who you have to 10% of your gross).

So if the average CPA payout is $40 and I am offering $60. That is actually 50% higher than you are normally getting - not including the additional 10% gross you are paying to your network to get your money weekly.

Personally I would rather wait 30 days and make a lot more money.

And the last thing people are mentioning is trust. Well didn't you have to build trust with your affiliate network?

Also, this is why there are credit applications.

 

[TheBrozar]

net 30 for a 10% higher payout, or running the same shitty EDU portal that everyone has with a different skin on it through a network you trust and paid weekly... hmmm that's a tough one.

Please see my response above for an explanation.

- If you don't like that than don't do it. There are plenty of people interested.

 

[nickycakes]

A. Why are you throwing out insults? There is no reason for you to get upset.

If you personally don't do net 30 than that's fine. But don't get pissy because there are plenty of other people who are happy to do it.

Sorry you feel personally insulted brosef, try not to take things so personally. I'm talking about business here

B. We spend a shit ton more than 2k a day on traffic. For some reason you assume we won't pay. Do you think we could be a serious pub and not pay our affiliates?

Have you been fucked in the past? You seem to have some deep hatred for net 30.

Always assume you won't be getting paid if you're dealing directly with an advertiser, period.

C. I'm not looking for iFrames. I am looking for email traffic.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

D. You can get better than a $60 CPA? I am the direct advertiser and I haven't heard of anyone doing anything close to that. I usually give out $40 to networks (who you have to 10% of your gross).

So if the average CPA payout is $40 and I am offering $60. That is actually 50% higher than you are normally getting - not including the additional 10% gross you are paying to your network to get your money weekly.

You're paying 60 per school? Doubt it. Most places are paying like $25 per school if you go direct with them, and average about 2.5-3 schools per lead. So yes, anyone can get better than a $60 cpa.

If you 'are' the advertiser, then what is your company name. How big is your call floor. What schools are you selling to, etc.

Personally I would rather wait 30 days and make a lot more money.

And the last thing people are mentioning is trust. Well didn't you have to build trust with your affiliate network?

Also, this is why there are credit applications.

No, this is why you get a prepay or weekly wires. Also, it's 60 days for net 30 (assuming you're paying monthly).

 

[AMSHustla]

A. Why are you throwing out insults? There is no reason for you to get upset.

If you personally don't do net 30 than that's fine. But don't get pissy because there are plenty of other people who are happy to do it.

B. How could we be a serious edu advertiser and not pay our affiliates?

Have you been fucked in the past? You seem to have some deep hatred for net 30.

C. I'm not looking for iFrames. I am looking for email traffic.

D. You can get better than a $60 CPA? I am the direct advertiser and I haven't heard of anyone doing anything close to that. I usually give out $40 to networks (who you have to 10% of your gross).

So if the average CPA payout is $40 and I am offering $60. That is actually 50% higher than you are normally getting - not including the additional 10% gross you are paying to your network to get your money weekly.

Personally I would rather wait 30 days and make a lot more money.

And the last thing people are mentioning is trust. Well didn't you have to build trust with your affiliate network?

Also, this is why there are credit applications.

Why I'm even perpetuating this drivel surprises myself.. I guess I'm in the mood to school.

You just don't get the affiliate space, thus why you have sales skills of a noob and are trolling for direct affiliates on WF... GO to DP!

Your portal.... www.411EDUsuckass.com

Let's look at one of your responses to pay net30, TOO MUCH FRUAD. If you are truly a legit EDU advertiser you have your own call center and call the leads in real-time then transfer them to an advisor to further qualify the lead. And/or just hot lead transfer them to the school direct. What does this do? Negates your fraud comment. If it takes you almost 2 months to find out if the leads were fraud.. you should go back to selling used cars.

Secondly: Let's look at the brass tax of why you pay Net30. Its less exposure for you because all the schools pay you the same.. am I right? THIS IS THE WHY YOU ARE IN BUSINESS... TO FLOAT. Affiliates on the other hand are not in business to float 6figs unless they either have mid 7's in the bank or are fucking nuts. Most whale aff's left this forum years ago.

BUT YOU KNOW WHO WILL TAKE YOUR AWESOME NET30 DEAL?

NETWORKS!!!!!

give your offer to clickbooth and the like and STOP trolling WF with such a shitty deal. Unless I can take your sister out for a nice chicken dinner and call her 45 days later.
:thefinger:

 

[TheBrozar]

Sorry you feel personally insulted brosef, try not to take things so personally. I'm talking about business here

- Do you always call people clowns and tell them they're cute when talking business?

Always assume you won't be getting paid if you're dealing directly with an advertiser, period.

- Why? Who do you think is paying your affiliate network?

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

- How so? I'm not looking for someone to host an iFrame on their site. I need people with large email lists to send out our offer and drive traffic to our lander.

You're paying 60 per school? Doubt it. Most places are paying like $25 per school if you go direct with them, and average about 2.5-3 schools per lead. So yes, anyone can get better than a $60 cpa.

- You are talking about a CPL not CPA. I can't do a $60 CPL but I can do a lot better than $25. More like $30 - $35, which is still 20% - 40%.

If you 'are' the advertiser, then what is your company name. How big is your call floor. What schools are you selling to, etc.

- If they do lead gen than we probably work with them. If you want more details you can PM me.

No, this is why you get a prepay or weekly wires. Also, it's 60 days for net 30 (assuming you're paying monthly).

- Well if you are willing to take a hit to your profits because you don't want to wait to get paid than that's your choice. But the affiliate networks work on the net 30 and so do all of our pubs.

Again, if you can afford to wait net 30 its in your best interest. It comes down to what you are comfortable with.

 

[AMSHustla]

Sorry you feel personally insulted brosef, try not to take things so personally. I'm talking about business here



Always assume you won't be getting paid if you're dealing directly with an advertiser, period.




You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.





You're paying 60 per school? Doubt it. Most places are paying like $25 per school if you go direct with them, and average about 2.5-3 schools per lead. So yes, anyone can get better than a $60 cpa.

If you 'are' the advertiser, then what is your company name. How big is your call floor. What schools are you selling to, etc.



No, this is why you get a prepay or weekly wires. Also, it's 60 days for net 30 (assuming you're paying monthly).

Nick... his email... its Triad Media Affiliate Advertising Network just another Innovation ads clone

 

[TheBrozar]

Why I'm even perpetuating this drivel surprises myself.. I guess I'm in the mood to school.

hmm don't really feel schooled.

You just don't get the affiliate space, thus why you have sales skills of a noob and are trolling for direct affiliates on WF... GO to DP!

I don't. That is why I joined this forum, to learn. What is DP?

Let's look at one of your responses to pay net30, TOO MUCH FRUAD. If you are truly a legit EDU advertiser you have your own call center and call the leads in real-time then transfer them to an advisor to further qualify the lead. And/or just hot lead transfer them to the school direct. What does this do? Negates your fraud comment. If it takes you almost 2 months to find out if the leads were fraud.. you should go back to selling used cars.

We can detect fraudulent leads in real time but if we prepay we are stuck with them. We send the leads to the client to call. We do not do hot transfers with all of our schools, in fact most prefer normal lead generation.

So no this does not negate the fraud comment. If I'm prepaying for fraudulent leads than I'm stuck with fraudulent leads.

Secondly: Let's look at the brass tax of why you pay Net30. Its less exposure for you because all the schools pay you the same.. am I right? THIS IS THE WHY YOU ARE IN BUSINESS... TO FLOAT. Affiliates on the other hand are not in business to float 6figs unless they either have mid 7's in the bank or are fucking nuts. Most whale aff's left this forum years ago.

It is net 30 because if any fraudulent leads were sent through we don't have to worry about trying to get our money back from a sleazy pub.

I must be looking for whales that don't exist here.

BUT YOU KNOW WHO WILL TAKE YOUR AWESOME NET30 DEAL?

NETWORKS!!!!!

- Too much fraud!!! Also, there are plenty of reputable pubs who work on net 30.

give your offer to clickbooth and the like and STOP trolling WF with such a shitty deal. Unless I can take your sister out for a nice chicken dinner and call her 45 days later.

- LOL. This net 30 thing really gets you upset. You must have been fucked harder than your mom was when your daddy got her pregnant on prom night. :love-smiley-086:

 

[nickycakes]

- Do you always call people clowns and tell them they're cute when talking business?

Not always. Only when they're clowns.

- Why? Who do you think is paying your affiliate network?

Yep. They're the ones taking the risk. Notice how many folded in the past couple years because they didn't get paid by advertisers? The ones that didn't fold? Getting pre-pays or made enough money in other areas to not get fucked enough to close up shop.

- How so? I'm not looking for someone to host an iFrame on their site. I need people with large email lists to send out our offer and drive traffic to our lander.

- If they do lead gen than we probably work with them. If you want more details you can PM me.

Since you wouldn't answer any of my questions, it's pretty obvious that this is amateur hour.

- You are talking about a CPL not CPA. I can't do a $60 CPL but I can do a lot better than $25. More like $30 - $35, which is still 20% - 40%.

Doubt it.

- Well if you are willing to take a hit to your profits because you don't want to wait to get paid than that's your choice. But the affiliate networks work on the net 30 and so do all of our pubs.

Again, if you can afford to wait net 30 its in your best interest. It comes down to what you are comfortable with.

Sorry dude, even networks should be skeptical of taking on unknown advertisers and sending a ton of traffic on monthly net 30 terms. A lot insist on prepays for this reason.

As stated above, only a retard would float 6 figs for 2 months with some unknown advertiser for 10% more payout(probably not 10% more money overall since your site hasn't been optimized nearly as much as the others), if they even get paid. Sorry.

 

[Beach Affiliate]

I may be one of those "whales" that you're trying to reach.

But I wouldn't touch your operation with a ten foot pole covered in a condom. And no one that I know that can push any serious volume would.

Because you've already shown that

1) You have no idea how this business works and I have no doubt that in spite of your wanna-be-big-time-mr-macho talk on here, you have little more than a fly-by-night operation going on.

2) You've made it more than obvious that your interests come way before anyone stupid enough to take the risk of promoting for you. This business, like any other, comes down to having at least a little bit of trust in a working relationship. Like you have to trust I'm not sending you shit, I have to trust you'll be in business 30 days from now to pay me.

You inspire zero confidence and I look forward to the forthcoming threads from dipshits that decided to run traffic for you complaining that you're not answering calls, much less paying as agreed.

Should take about a month or so. Maybe 2. But it's coming.

Edit: Just FYI: I don't know Nicky personally but know a few people that do. He may come across as an annoying jackass at times but the dude knows his business and treats it seriously. When he says you're a clown, you're a fucking clown.

 

[AMSHustla]

hmm don't really feel schooled.




I don't. That is why I joined this forum, to learn. What is DP?





We can detect fraudulent leads in real time but if we prepay we are stuck with them. We send the leads to the client to call. We do not do hot transfers with all of our schools, in fact most prefer normal lead generation.

So no this does not negate the fraud comment. If I'm prepaying for fraudulent leads than I'm stuck with fraudulent leads.



It is net 30 because if any fraudulent leads were sent through we don't have to worry about trying to get our money back from a sleazy pub.

I must be looking for whales that don't exist here.



- Too much fraud!!! Also, there are plenty of reputable pubs who work on net 30.



- LOL. This net 30 thing really gets you upset. You must have been fucked harder than your mom was when your daddy got her pregnant on prom night. :love-smiley-086:

the net 30 thing is not getting me upset... just frustrated why you don't understand the space. posting a thread like this means you know your shit.. clearly its the latter as you said you came here to learn.

put your ego aside and listen to what everyone, myself included is saying. I didn't ask for pre-pay.. even thought this is a more common occurrence now more than ever. IF you pay aff's weekly net 3. that gives you 10 days from the first day of traffic to find out if this is backing out for you. read more, talk less and give me your sister's number if you really still think that running net 30 directly to aff's is still the way business is done. in 06 yes.... not now.

KNOW YOUR SHIT BEFORE YOU POST SUCH A DIPSHIT THREAD.

 

[TheBrozar]

the net 30 thing is not getting me upset... just frustrated why you don't understand the space. posting a thread like this means you know your shit.. clearly its the latter as you said you came here to learn.

put your ego aside and listen to what everyone, myself included is saying. I didn't ask for pre-pay.. even thought this is a more common occurrence now more than ever. IF you pay aff's weekly net 3. that gives you 10 days from the first day of traffic to find out if this is backing out for you. read more, talk less and give me your sister's number if you really still think that running net 30 directly to aff's is still the way business is done. in 06 yes.... not now.

KNOW YOUR SHIT BEFORE YOU POST SUCH A DIPSHIT THREAD.

I really don't have an ego. If someone gives me shit, I'm going to give it right back. I'm here to learn the affiliate side, there is no reason to be an asshole just because someone is a new to WF.

In regards to net 30, that is all we take. If it's not a fit than oh well.

In regards to my sister's number.. I'll give you that as soon as you hand over your mom's digits!

 

[jeffrey]

This thread delivers.

 

[AMSHustla]

I really don't have an ego. I just don't appreciate people giving me shit. I'm here to learn the affiliate side, there is no reason to be an asshole just because someone is a new to WF.

In regards to net 30, that is all we take. If it's not a fit than oh well.

In regards to my sister's number.. I'll give you that as soon as you hand over your mom's digits!

this is WICKEDFIRE, that's like saying i don't like getting drunk but i go to a lot of bars. You are going to get shit, especially if you start a thread trying to promote a shitty deal and don't the space from a hole in the ground.

I'll gladly give you my mom's digits but as you have proven here in this waste of a time thread... she'll eat you up and spit you out like everyone else has.

 

[TheBrozar]

this is WICKEDFIRE, that's like saying i don't like getting drunk but i go to a lot of bars. You are going to get shit, especially if you start a thread trying to promote a shitty deal and don't the space from a hole in the ground.

I'll gladly give you my mom's digits but as you have proven here in this waste of a time thread... she'll eat you up and spit you out like everyone else has.

You make it out as if no one works on net 30. Maybe the majority don't but I work with plenty of networks and pubs on a net 30.

And I've been contacted by a number of people from WF looking to run my offer.

So if it's not for you and most people that's fine. Not to mention we only accept 10% of the pubs who try to run our offer because of all the compliance issues with edu.

 

[nickycakes]

So if it's not for you and most people that's fine. Not to mention we only accept 10% of the pubs who try to run our offer because of all the compliance issues with edu.

Wow, what an exciting exclusive club you've got there.

 

[Beach Affiliate]

I've been contacted by a number of people from WF looking to run my offer.

Just call me Nostra-fucking-damus:

I look forward to the forthcoming threads from dipshits that decided to run traffic for you complaining that you're not answering calls, much less paying as agreed.

Should take about a month or so. Maybe 2. But it's coming.

 

[crackp0t]

You make it out as if no one works on net 30. Maybe the majority don't but I work with plenty of networks and pubs on a net 30.

And I've been contacted by a number of people from WF looking to run my offer.

So if it's not for you and most people that's fine. Not to mention we only accept 10% of the pubs who try to run our offer because of all the compliance issues with edu.

Yeah, networks will take net 30 a hell of a lot quicker than an individual affiliate. Any affiliate I know that's of any size regardless of how they send traffic won't do anything longer than weeklies. Hell, some of the PPC guys get paid daily and they networks are happy to do it.

So coming here and offering NET 30 to a decent pub is pretty much an insult to everyone. That's why you've gotten the responses you've got.

 

[momchil9]

Not to mention we only accept 10% of the pubs who try to run our offer because of all the compliance issues with edu.

Is it every 2nd, every 5th or every 10th?

Just to know when to sign up to get accepted.

 

[Airin]

Love this thread.

I don't have any pubs worth a shit that don't get paid weekly or even daily. If you don't want fraud you are either going to have to try and find the RIGHT networks or bend and pay your direct publishers faster. Some networks do suck because they let the fraudsters offer hop instead of kicking them out the first time they are caught for fraud or they aren't proactive in doing quality checks to catch problems before they become major shit storms.

Personally, I fucking HATE education offers because they are the BIGGEST target for fraud. You really should take Nicky's advice and call verify then transfer every lead. In the end, everyone would be a lot happier and you would be able to charge a lot more.

I feel for you that you have to deal with it on a daily basis... definitely sucks for you but then again you are the one that picked a job in the education space. Regardless, see above... the guys' comments are right on. Take it or leave it.

I also bet you end up with just as much or more fraud and fake email traffic from the direct guys that reached out to you through here than you would get with a network.

Last but not least, working with a network ensures that legit pubs don't get nickled and dimed for all of the RIDICULOUS lead returns that all of the edu advertisers love to give around the 20th of the following month... long after every publisher has been paid. I get that you guys deal with a ton of fraud, but I straight up had every single lead returned from a LEGIT mailer with BS reasons like wrong #, disconnected, etc. I had someone call verify them and got in touch with or at least confirmed the correct person lived there on over 80% of the leads. I still haven't been paid, but my publisher honestly never even heard about the issue because I know they are good.

 

[Airin]

OK, did some digging. We actually went through credit and tried to get through contracts with Triad in October. A heads up to everyone on here - credit was good, but contracts were beyond ridiculous and they wouldn't even consider redlines.

We passed on testing your offers because of this. It's not because we were scared of sending you fraud either, our core business is *real* mailers and we have a very strict no fraud policy, so we aren't one of the networks that let fraudsters offer hop. But when a company uses terms like sole discretion of what constitutes a term violation and assumes no responsibility for paying when they are working with a 3rd party until they get paid... I run away very fast. All of your schools are 3rd parties, which means even if I send you amazing traffic you don't have to pay me unless you get paid...when I have no say on who you send my traffic to or how you vet them. UGH. Those are just a few of the highlights too.