google slap ques
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This is my line of thinking too. Develop your own product (a newsletter) and the rape it.
Having said that, I've made a few landers like this and they got slapped too! They were justs one page wonders though. If I did it properly it might work. I dunno.
I have one site in particular that gets slapped every 6-8 weeks. It's a EPN cell phone site. The landing pages as well as the product pages have original content, and most of my LP's score at worst 7/10. So when it gets slapped, I put it on a new domain and bingo...QS score goes back up and it's biz as usual....until the next slap.
I have another EPN site that is for a brand of guitar amps, but for some reason, it has yet to be slapped...and it's been running for over a year now with a good QS for all keywords. I don't use landing pages for that one, just link directly to my product page which has a little original content. Can't figure out why one site gets the slap and the other has never been bothered. It's obvious that Google doesn't like people with BANS or EPN sites..but it's the inconsistency of what get slapped that bugs me the most.
I have another EPN site that is for a brand of guitar amps, but for some reason, it has yet to be slapped...and it's been running for over a year now with a good QS for all keywords. I don't use landing pages for that one, just link directly to my product page which has a little original content. Can't figure out why one site gets the slap and the other has never been bothered. It's obvious that Google doesn't like people with BANS or EPN sites..but it's the inconsistency of what get slapped that bugs me the most.
If google slaps sites for marketing affiliate products why does the slap come so late? Should be quit easy for google to identify an affiliate LP by following the links and seing if they redirect through any of the major AM networks. If this was the policy no affiliate LP would get nice QS in the first place.
My opinion: they have gotten so complex with their slaping algorythms that the result is completely random.
My opinion: they have gotten so complex with their slaping algorythms that the result is completely random.
I don't think its automated to that degree. Besides, I don't think Google really cares IF you have a real website and you have an advertisement link here or there with an affiliate to make money. They just don't want the advertising link to be the focus/main call to action on the website.
I imagine Google having a 10 page guideline which they email around the USA etc to all of the employees whose sole job is to verify/validate web pages in the network. I have no doubts the guidelines are not too clear, and leave a lot open to interpretation.
e.g. "Ask yourself, what is the website trying to overall accomplish? Is the call to action in more than one place on the page? Is the primary intention of the website to re-direct traffic to an affiliate link?"
You can have all the blogs and articles you want on sub-pages, but if the purpose of the web page is to redirect to an affiliate link, and its obvious, even the loosest interpretation of any guidelines like the above example would spell toast.
Question: once a site is verified, does it get put on a looong waiting list to get re-verified? I'm thinking of the movie CASINO, where DeNiro and Pesci, before they could talk on the phone for fear of the FBI tapping the line, had to let their wives gossip for the first 45 seconds, then when the FBI shut off the tap, they could talk.
Has anbody tried doing minimum bids for the keywords, with a website/lp that has no call to action but just has a blog, etc and an email form to collect the persons information? Run it on LOW THROTTLE for 8 weeks (usually a site is verified by then), monetize the names that come in through the form and email them your affiliate offer in the meantime, then when the page has been indexed (approx 8 weeks), you ramp the shit out of the site and go crazy.
If you had an operation going with 4-5 of these type of sites, you could easily make a bundle by having 1-2 of them going full throttle, while the others sit idle on low waiting for the 60 day eval period. Repeat, etc.
I imagine Google having a 10 page guideline which they email around the USA etc to all of the employees whose sole job is to verify/validate web pages in the network. I have no doubts the guidelines are not too clear, and leave a lot open to interpretation.
e.g. "Ask yourself, what is the website trying to overall accomplish? Is the call to action in more than one place on the page? Is the primary intention of the website to re-direct traffic to an affiliate link?"
You can have all the blogs and articles you want on sub-pages, but if the purpose of the web page is to redirect to an affiliate link, and its obvious, even the loosest interpretation of any guidelines like the above example would spell toast.
Question: once a site is verified, does it get put on a looong waiting list to get re-verified? I'm thinking of the movie CASINO, where DeNiro and Pesci, before they could talk on the phone for fear of the FBI tapping the line, had to let their wives gossip for the first 45 seconds, then when the FBI shut off the tap, they could talk.
Has anbody tried doing minimum bids for the keywords, with a website/lp that has no call to action but just has a blog, etc and an email form to collect the persons information? Run it on LOW THROTTLE for 8 weeks (usually a site is verified by then), monetize the names that come in through the form and email them your affiliate offer in the meantime, then when the page has been indexed (approx 8 weeks), you ramp the shit out of the site and go crazy.
If you had an operation going with 4-5 of these type of sites, you could easily make a bundle by having 1-2 of them going full throttle, while the others sit idle on low waiting for the 60 day eval period. Repeat, etc.
I want to do exactly this. It's going to be interesting to see what Google's attitude is. I have no experience in this area and I don't know how list building differs from email submits.
I'm waiting for the heat to die down first though...
SLAP. I have ad all my cpa campaigns on Google content just absolutely stop this week, 0 impressions. Wow. That was my entire business gone. Yes all the campaigns consisted of a one page lander with an affiliate link very prominent. They were running ok for months up until yesterday. Time to open another account? Lay low and try again? What's some good advice here?
Have you ever seen the other side of an email submit?! It's pretty obvious why they hate it.
^^
a simple wordpress blog attached to your lander works wonders too. just grab a couple articles, spin the content, and drip it to your blog installation every so often.
don't forget to add the standard terms and conditions, privacy policy, about us and contact form.
this should give you at least a QS 6-7 from the start.
a simple wordpress blog attached to your lander works wonders too. just grab a couple articles, spin the content, and drip it to your blog installation every so often.
don't forget to add the standard terms and conditions, privacy policy, about us and contact form.
this should give you at least a QS 6-7 from the start.
What I mean is I don't know how Google feels about list building sites. After all, it's usually just a 2 or 3 field form.
Exactly. I don't know why so many people think a good QS will protect you from a slap.
^exactly/ QS has NOTHING To do with slaps. How to get over a slap? Simple.
How to AVOID a slap? Aside from cloaking, I honestly dont know, and I dont know if anyone else does. Aside from not having ANY affiliate footprints at all, I really dont know how to avoid one. And Ive had full on, multi indexed page sites with real content, etc etc. They go to shit.
I think at the end of the day as some have said, G doesnt want ANY middlemen. If you want to be an affiliate, you need to cloak and do all you can to mask that info, otherwise its not if, but when is a slap coming...I would just like to prevent them, but I dont think its possible, doing affiliate marketing.
How to AVOID a slap? Aside from cloaking, I honestly dont know, and I dont know if anyone else does. Aside from not having ANY affiliate footprints at all, I really dont know how to avoid one. And Ive had full on, multi indexed page sites with real content, etc etc. They go to shit.
I think at the end of the day as some have said, G doesnt want ANY middlemen. If you want to be an affiliate, you need to cloak and do all you can to mask that info, otherwise its not if, but when is a slap coming...I would just like to prevent them, but I dont think its possible, doing affiliate marketing.
EL O EL.
If you're an affiliate, in particular CPA affiliate, slapsare inevitable. Get an MCC, and duplicate the campaign again on a new account under a new domain. Once your new campaign is slapped, repeat the same process.
same here. An hour ago G slapped all my campaigns from all my accounts. weird is that these acc have different ccards and registered under different names. all gone...
1. slapped two days ago.
2. new domain, new account under mcc, copied campaign over, slapped again in less than two hours.
3. new domain, new account not under mcc, reorganized and copied campaign over, slapped again in a day.
Somehow the competitor using the same style of landing page, bidding on the same keyword, promoting the same offers is still up and running
I am beginning to think that I got reported by some douche that just want me to stay the fuck away from the profitable keywords he is bidding on.
fuck google.
2. new domain, new account under mcc, copied campaign over, slapped again in less than two hours.
3. new domain, new account not under mcc, reorganized and copied campaign over, slapped again in a day.
Somehow the competitor using the same style of landing page, bidding on the same keyword, promoting the same offers is still up and running
I am beginning to think that I got reported by some douche that just want me to stay the fuck away from the profitable keywords he is bidding on.
fuck google.
I think that if you're getting insta-slapped on your new accounts that you are hitting an automated trigger. That doesn't help you in any way - but it's most likely not a manual review of your new accounts within the first 2 hours.