How Do You Protect Trade Secrets and Enforce NDA'a?

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Blastyourass said:
The facts are that 99% of the people can't be trusted and finding that 1% is futile.
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Nah, I think it's gotta be a higher percent than that... I hope so anyway. Life would be pretty shitty otherwise.

I prob trust people too much, but rather that than be paranoid and cynical. (Though I am both of them too at times...)

I've got so many fuckin ideas of my own (mostly variations on other people's... but is anything ever really 'new'?) that I don't have time for, let alone stealing other people's stuff in areas I know little about.. Way too lazy for that shit!

I know it's hard finding people to trust, but try not to be too cynical and view everyone as a potential competitor.

Life's a lot nicer if you assume people are good until they prove you otherwise, rather than the other way around. (Kinda like the glass half full/empty thing I guess.)

Most people are decent human beings, though maybe there's more that aren't in this game than elsewhere in life. Having said that when there's your livehood at stake then ya don't wanna give everyone ya secrets.
 


BYA, do you want partners or are you looking for minions to carry out the shit work you don't want to do?
 
LH, bro. I have been in business for myself legally and illegally for 20 years. Am I paranoid, no, but I know human nature and I know business. What I have seen over my 20 years always confirms why I trust sooooooo few people.

Anyone who has seriously, I mean seriously been in a business for any length of time, sales, owner etc. Will know exactly what I am talking about. I have had this conversation with a few of my millionaire buddies and we all concur that most people cannot be trusted unless you have them on a leash and pay their bills and even thenm they will steal here and there from you.

I'm all about being postitive. I'm in ales I have to. But I am also fully aware that as far as trusting people, that glass is way below half empty bro and that's not being cynical it's being logical.

Let me se the list of people who have fucked me one way or another:

Best Friend 20 years= Gets popped for big Meth Bust, rats on me, cooperates with the police for 1 year on a sting on my ass. I sell 1lb of weed to a Anaheim cop= I got straight to jail= friend dissapeared:error:

I do my time best friend #2 steps in and takes care of my ex-wife for me= Ummmmmmkay and I'm not talking about taking care of the bills. Yes they fucked= divorce and family ruined

Realeased from jail and the proceeding 6 years= 3 legal legit companies with
partners all went sour. My idea, my capital, teaming with people who make no money. I help them out= they burn me later.

I can keep going if you'd like?







LazyHippy said:
Nah, I think it's gotta be a higher percent than that... I hope so anyway. Life would be pretty shitty otherwise.

I prob trust people too much, but rather that than be paranoid and cynical. (Though I am both of them too at times...)

I've got so many fuckin ideas of my own (mostly variations on other people's... but is anything ever really 'new'?) that I don't have time for, let alone stealing other people's stuff in areas I know little about.. Way too lazy for that shit!

I know it's hard finding people to trust, but try not to be too cynical and view everyone as a potential competitor.

Life's a lot nicer if you assume people are good until they prove you otherwise, rather than the other way around. (Kinda like the glass half full/empty thing I guess.)

Most people are decent human beings, though maybe there's more that aren't in this game than elsewhere in life. Having said that when there's your livehood at stake then ya don't wanna give everyone ya secrets.
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If I wanted minions to carry out shit work, I would out score to India dude. I want a calabroative effort based on the compound theory of cause and affect. Do you understand that or so I need to explain myself?

maximus said:
BYA, do you want partners or are you looking for minions to carry out the shit work you don't want to do?
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Blastyourass said:
99% of the people out there have no vision or can't come up with an original idea. Thats a fact and they will burn you for a few extra bucks any day. Even people making bank will do that. Another fact. Yes I have no control except saying fuck everyone and do it all my own. That way I win or lose it's on me.

In my previous life I had a motto, TRUST NO ONE, when I did, it almost always proved to be my demise over time.

The facts are that 99% of the people can't be trusted and finding that 1% is futile.
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I agree about not trusting people, I'm the same way. But most people are lazy and lack initiative. You could give them an office, an idea, a play-by-play diagram of what to do and the money to make it happen and most of them would just sit there. I think if you have something that is patentable or copyrightable, then by all means do those things. Otherwise, move forward. You can't progress if you're always worrying about every conceivable contingency or if you make all your decisions based on what you fear your competitors might do.
 
I've not got the experience you have, the last few years working for myself have been 90% solo and generally hasn't involved a whole lot of risk.

Well, apart from drugs stuff - not that I've done anything like that of course... If I had, I'd love to share some tales, but may be too concerned about who might read this sometime. (You've done your time...)

Sorry, my post wasn't really addressing your current concerns... more life in general. I have no desire to make millions (and have the shit that goes with it), but like everyone I'm sure, I've been let down by people I've trusted, but then if I'm honest I've also done the same to other people. (To clarify - I'm not talking being a grass/snitch or money.. but I've cheated on ex's when I was younger... still a betrayal of trust and in many ways a lot worse than stealing money or ideas.)

Thinking about it though (and this has got me thinking!).. It's not fuckin black and white at all is it? There's so many shades of grey. We trust some people to a certain extent and others more or less.

So it isn't about whether or not to trust someone, it's about how much to trust them.

(No fuckin idea how this applies to ya business.. just random thoughts really....) :D


Drugs, sex and money.... (ya can keep the money :D)
 
There will always be people who screw you over, take your secrets and whatever else. The thing that separates those who bitch and those who succeed is you don't let it get to you.

Seriously an idea is only as good as someone who executes it. So what if someone takes your idea, if you're any good, they will never be able to take it to the level you can, and if they can then your idea is not unique enough to be protected go back to the drawing board.

As far as partners, there is a simple way to ensure people dont steal. Dont give them access to it. Or work with people who see the bigger picture. Those who are desperate steal, dont cheat people and they wont feel the need to steal.

Just my two cents
 
Thanks LH and Mike! All of you had good input. It's a really gray area for anyone I would think as each post indicated. No real true black and white in trust.

I don't whine and bitch Im just vocal about what's on my mind. It didnt stop me one second ever. Did it affect me? Emotinally for a minute, Im human. But I never ever give up.

Has far as having an idea protected, I know that is impossible. I want to work with people who have vision and can compliment my projects with their own talents that will only compound my business and also help theirs. The people with vision and skils Mike are often too busy with thier own biz and life, so that's a hard one. I want to build long lasting relationships that last not short term in and out shit. Been there done that.

LH, you were right on it's not about trusting but how much. Lose lips sink ships and my big mouth needs my ladies big boob in it..............mmmuuuuuuuuffffffflllllllllllle, i cant talk ther is a big boob in my mouth..mmmmmuuuuuffffflllllee
 
BYA, I think you're confusing too many relationships.

Some of what you describe would fall under partnerships. Those are long term and trust is a big issue, but use your gut feelings. Check people out, find out what kind of person they are before you jump into bed with them.

One of the other things you described is almost a Joint Venture, and I don't like them at all. They're an excuse for no commitment, everyone looking out for their own interests, and it leaves huge opportunities for people getting screwed over (along with distrust and paranoia).

The mastermind group is different in the sense that like Napoleon Hill describes, you're exchanging ideas and helping each other out but not actually working with each other.

Each has clearly defined boundaries and trust levels. You need to find out if any, all, or none fit what you need and possibly outsource the grunt work so you can do the ideas and execution management.
 
Ah ha (said in an asian accent) you have cleared my vision and made me see the light into the unknows area of my mind. :xomunch: ALL WEEKEND.

Some people don't realize that by putting your shit out there (like this thread) in a good forum that you get such great feedback that may have taken you much longer to figure out and analyze.

This to me was a master mind session. Quality input on real deep shit.

Cheers to all of you. I'm going to happy hour/ dinner with some family and I will have a toast for you. I feel like Corona/Lime and some tequilla shooters with Chips and Salsa and a little mexiacn food.

Adios Amigos.

BlondeTM said:
BYA, I think you're confusing too many relationships.

Some of what you describe would fall under partnerships. Those are long term and trust is a big issue, but use your gut feelings. Check people out, find out what kind of person they are before you jump into bed with them.

One of the other things you described is almost a Joint Venture, and I don't like them at all. They're an excuse for no commitment, everyone looking out for their own interests, and it leaves huge opportunities for people getting screwed over (along with distrust and paranoia).

The mastermind group is different in the sense that like Napoleon Hill describes, you're exchanging ideas and helping each other out but not actually working with each other.

Each has clearly defined boundaries and trust levels. You need to find out if any, all, or none fit what you need and possibly outsource the grunt work so you can do the ideas and execution management.
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