Just curious, how many of you out there have no college education whatsoever, and are making say $10k+ a month and laughing all the way to the fucking bank at everyone who ever told you that if you don't have a college education, you will be a bum and never make any money? I'm not saying a college education is bad or anything, but people just blow it way out of proportion. I'm sure there is probably some high school drop out online marketers making more money then people with 4 year college degrees.
How many of you actually have college educations?
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If you are any younger than 25 romnation, shut the fuck up and get to college. Even if you learn absolutely nothing, it's great for networking. Capisce?
As little as you may realize, we're all in the business of connecting with people. That's the entire point of the internet-to connect people with other people.
Drop the attitude. You know college is valuable; you just don't want to go or maybe want to try and be one of those few anomalies who skip that sage in life and come out successful.
My advice: Go to school and study whatever it is you like. Don't get an MBA. If you look at the CEO's of the top corporations, a small percentage have MBA's and the others got to where they are by being passionate.
As little as you may realize, we're all in the business of connecting with people. That's the entire point of the internet-to connect people with other people.
Drop the attitude. You know college is valuable; you just don't want to go or maybe want to try and be one of those few anomalies who skip that sage in life and come out successful.
My advice: Go to school and study whatever it is you like. Don't get an MBA. If you look at the CEO's of the top corporations, a small percentage have MBA's and the others got to where they are by being passionate.
Agreed with symptic.
I've listened to too many idiots blather on about college being overrated, overpriced, blah blah blah. First, if you plan on doing anything that involves getting hired a college degree is what a high school degree was thirty years ago. You need it. College isn't just about rote memorization of useless information, it's about building the dicipline to execute in a real-life situation.
At any rate, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the theoretical person that is ready to take on the world out of high school would have higher priorities than justifying his decisions on message boards.
I've listened to too many idiots blather on about college being overrated, overpriced, blah blah blah. First, if you plan on doing anything that involves getting hired a college degree is what a high school degree was thirty years ago. You need it. College isn't just about rote memorization of useless information, it's about building the dicipline to execute in a real-life situation.
At any rate, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the theoretical person that is ready to take on the world out of high school would have higher priorities than justifying his decisions on message boards.
ASU Grad here. I agree.
College is important even if only for social status. It sounds snobby but it's true. The more education you have the higher your social (and usually economic) status. I have friends that went to college and some that didn't and there does seem to be a difference between them. A level of sophistication and grace in social situations. Also the ones that have gone to college tend to be more intellectual than the ones who didn't. Granted, it may be that the fact that the reason they decided to go to college was because they were more intellectual in the first place, but college is still in the equation.
Even if you think this is all BS tell me, if you have children, are you not intending for them to at least make an attempt go to college?
College is important even if only for social status. It sounds snobby but it's true. The more education you have the higher your social (and usually economic) status. I have friends that went to college and some that didn't and there does seem to be a difference between them. A level of sophistication and grace in social situations. Also the ones that have gone to college tend to be more intellectual than the ones who didn't. Granted, it may be that the fact that the reason they decided to go to college was because they were more intellectual in the first place, but college is still in the equation.
Even if you think this is all BS tell me, if you have children, are you not intending for them to at least make an attempt go to college?
have two degrees:
AS in Information Technology
BS in Computer Information Systems
and yes, the more I think about it the more I realize that college degrees aren't all they are cut out to be.....
they do open the doors and give you more options in life though, and they are a good for status i guess....
actually, going to college was actually how I got into computers so I do owe some of my success to going to college.
AS in Information Technology
BS in Computer Information Systems
and yes, the more I think about it the more I realize that college degrees aren't all they are cut out to be.....
they do open the doors and give you more options in life though, and they are a good for status i guess....
actually, going to college was actually how I got into computers so I do owe some of my success to going to college.
BA In Communications, Masters In Information Systems Management (finishing up in May).
Definitely worth the time. Met people I never would have met, experiences I never would have had, and learned stuff I never would have learned. Like it or not, self employed or not, having a college degree is a kick up on the social status ladder.
College opens doors for you. I am a 3 time published author now thanks to one of my professors. So you never know.
Definitely worth the time. Met people I never would have met, experiences I never would have had, and learned stuff I never would have learned. Like it or not, self employed or not, having a college degree is a kick up on the social status ladder.
College opens doors for you. I am a 3 time published author now thanks to one of my professors. So you never know.
Bachelors in Marketing
There are highschool dropout restaurateurs, stock brokers, affiliate marketers and drug dealers, all of whom make good money without a college education. And for every one of them, there are about ten thousand highschool dropout ditch diggers who can't even afford proper medical care for their own family.
How many times have you seen people here talk about not putting all your eggs in one basket?
If this AM thing ever goes belly-up, I've still got my bachelors and years of corporate marketing experience to land on.
There are highschool dropout restaurateurs, stock brokers, affiliate marketers and drug dealers, all of whom make good money without a college education. And for every one of them, there are about ten thousand highschool dropout ditch diggers who can't even afford proper medical care for their own family.
How many times have you seen people here talk about not putting all your eggs in one basket?
If this AM thing ever goes belly-up, I've still got my bachelors and years of corporate marketing experience to land on.
Just graduated from Michigan last spring. Best time of my life both socially and mentally. I thought in the beginning that it was not worth it and overrated but now that I am done I can say that it is extremely important to go to college for so many reasons. Not to mention the job security I have in case I have a bad year in AM.
It all depends on what you do with it.
The door swings both ways. Just because you have a degree doesn't mean you'll make more or be more successful because the work doesn't stop there. I think that's where a lot fail after getting a degree and that's because they think success should be handed to them after that.
Everyone should at least give it a go and try to find themselves in college.
The door swings both ways. Just because you have a degree doesn't mean you'll make more or be more successful because the work doesn't stop there. I think that's where a lot fail after getting a degree and that's because they think success should be handed to them after that.
Everyone should at least give it a go and try to find themselves in college.
I finished highschool in what would have been my sophomore year. I went to several 'institutions of higher learning' and found myself woefully over qualified to be a student at any of them and so repeatedly dropped out. It seems (in the US anyway) that you need to be able to shut off your mind in order to swallow the crap they shovel and the nonsense that passes for passing. Higher thought is shunned in favor of regurgitation and recitation.
I think about that all the time. My sister never went to college (unless you count three weeks of online classes) and cleans houses for a living.. wtf? It's about the drive, the goals, the ambitions.
And on the other side of things, planning for the future seems lacking in most AM. I'm an AM on the side (developer full time), but both could easily go down the drain. I'm hoping to go back to school once my wife is done with her new degree, but honestly don't know. It would be nice to have a fallback you know?
I think about that all the time. My sister never went to college (unless you count three weeks of online classes) and cleans houses for a living.. wtf? It's about the drive, the goals, the ambitions.
And on the other side of things, planning for the future seems lacking in most AM. I'm an AM on the side (developer full time), but both could easily go down the drain. I'm hoping to go back to school once my wife is done with her new degree, but honestly don't know. It would be nice to have a fallback you know?
if you care to look at income stats, income is generally a function of education. not to say that there aren't exceptions, however, college/university goes far beyond just money. in fact, you could argue that money is the not the goal of education at all. i even compiled a list of potential benefits that i keep on my usb key:
Put together ideas or concepts from different courses when completing assignments or during class discussions
Tutored or taught other students (paid or voluntary)
Participated in a community-based project (e.g., service learning) as part of a regular course
Used an electronic medium (listserv, chat group, Internet, instant messaging, etc.) to discuss or complete an assignment
Discussed ideas from your readings or classes with faculty members outside of class
Worked harder than you thought you could to meet an instructor’s standards or expectations
Worked with faculty members on activities other than coursework (committees, orientation, student life activities, etc.)
Discussed ideas from your readings or classes with others outside of class (students, family members, co-workers, etc.)
Had serious conversations with students of a different race or ethnicity than your own
Had serious conversations with students who are very different from you in terms of their religious beliefs, political opinions, or personal values
Memorizing facts, ideas, or methods from your courses and readings so you can repeat them in pretty much the same form
Analyzing the basic elements of an idea, experience, or theory, such as examining a particular case or situation in depth and considering its components
Synthesizing and organizing ideas, information, or experiences into new, more complex interpretations and relationships
Making judgments about the value of information, arguments, or methods, such as examining how others gathered and interpreted data and assessing the soundness of their conclusions
Applying theories or concepts to practical problems or in new situations
Attended an art exhibit, play, dance, music, theater, or other performance
Exercised or participated in physical fitness activities
Participated in activities to enhance your spirituality (worship, meditation, prayer, etc.)
Examined the strengths and weaknesses of your own views on a topic or issue
Tried to better understand someone else's views by imagining how an issue looks from his or her perspective
Learned something that changed the way you understand an issue or concept
Community service or volunteer work
Participate in a learning community or some other formal program where groups of students take two or more classes together
Work on a research project with a faculty member outside of course or program requirements
Coursework in a foreign or additional language
Study abroad
Acquiring a broad general education
Acquiring job or work-related knowledge and skills
Writing clearly and effectively
Speaking clearly and effectively
Thinking critically and analytically
Analyzing quantitative problems
Using computing and information technology
Working effectively with others
Learning effectively on your own
Understanding yourself
Understanding people of other racial and ethnic backgrounds
Solving complex real-world problems
Developing a personal code of values and ethics
Contributing to the welfare of your community
Developing a deepened sense of spirituality
there are probably a lot more that i missed, or that would apply to only certain areas of study, but you get the point. in any case, formal education is a opportunity that doesn't exist everywhere, so why forfeit the chance?
Put together ideas or concepts from different courses when completing assignments or during class discussions
Tutored or taught other students (paid or voluntary)
Participated in a community-based project (e.g., service learning) as part of a regular course
Used an electronic medium (listserv, chat group, Internet, instant messaging, etc.) to discuss or complete an assignment
Discussed ideas from your readings or classes with faculty members outside of class
Worked harder than you thought you could to meet an instructor’s standards or expectations
Worked with faculty members on activities other than coursework (committees, orientation, student life activities, etc.)
Discussed ideas from your readings or classes with others outside of class (students, family members, co-workers, etc.)
Had serious conversations with students of a different race or ethnicity than your own
Had serious conversations with students who are very different from you in terms of their religious beliefs, political opinions, or personal values
Memorizing facts, ideas, or methods from your courses and readings so you can repeat them in pretty much the same form
Analyzing the basic elements of an idea, experience, or theory, such as examining a particular case or situation in depth and considering its components
Synthesizing and organizing ideas, information, or experiences into new, more complex interpretations and relationships
Making judgments about the value of information, arguments, or methods, such as examining how others gathered and interpreted data and assessing the soundness of their conclusions
Applying theories or concepts to practical problems or in new situations
Attended an art exhibit, play, dance, music, theater, or other performance
Exercised or participated in physical fitness activities
Participated in activities to enhance your spirituality (worship, meditation, prayer, etc.)
Examined the strengths and weaknesses of your own views on a topic or issue
Tried to better understand someone else's views by imagining how an issue looks from his or her perspective
Learned something that changed the way you understand an issue or concept
Community service or volunteer work
Participate in a learning community or some other formal program where groups of students take two or more classes together
Work on a research project with a faculty member outside of course or program requirements
Coursework in a foreign or additional language
Study abroad
Acquiring a broad general education
Acquiring job or work-related knowledge and skills
Writing clearly and effectively
Speaking clearly and effectively
Thinking critically and analytically
Analyzing quantitative problems
Using computing and information technology
Working effectively with others
Learning effectively on your own
Understanding yourself
Understanding people of other racial and ethnic backgrounds
Solving complex real-world problems
Developing a personal code of values and ethics
Contributing to the welfare of your community
Developing a deepened sense of spirituality
there are probably a lot more that i missed, or that would apply to only certain areas of study, but you get the point. in any case, formal education is a opportunity that doesn't exist everywhere, so why forfeit the chance?
College just trains you to work for other people. That's great if you like to do that, but personally I don't. If I need any sort of knowledge I'll simply go get a book and read it. I find this to be MUCH faster than learning via a classroom with lots of filler bullshit. Of course in same cases people are not self motivated enough to learn on their own, or do not know how to teach themselves effectively.
College really has nothing to do with success. Anyone can be successful if they try. Most people in college DO have to drive to go the extra mile. While generally, people who drop out of school are doing so to dick around, do drugs, or do other stupid shit.
To say that people who don't go to college fail, is typical working class train of thought. Anyone who says that, are more than likely not successful themselves.
College really has nothing to do with success. Anyone can be successful if they try. Most people in college DO have to drive to go the extra mile. While generally, people who drop out of school are doing so to dick around, do drugs, or do other stupid shit.
To say that people who don't go to college fail, is typical working class train of thought. Anyone who says that, are more than likely not successful themselves.
That's entirely untrue. I'd be pretty pissed if I went in for an operation and saw my doc dusting off a copy of "Kidneys for Dummies", or if the architect of my building learned everything he knew from Architectural Digest. You are generalizing, nothing wrong with that - but see below.
"While generally, people who drop out of school are doing so to dick around, do drugs, or do other stupid shit.
To say that people who don't go to college fail, is typical working class train of thought."
Isn't this kind of contradictory? By your own words, the generalization of college dropouts as failures is a 'working class train of thought', and so aren't you subscribing to this same 'working class train of thought'?
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