How Much Is 10,000 Targeted Blog Links Worth To You?

[Aequitas]

Alright I'm NOT going to get into specifics with anyone so don't ask because we are still in development on this but I was just curious to see the wicked fire demand for it, even though I should keep my fucking mouth shut for at least another week, if not two more weeks. (Don't tell the developers I told you)

If there was a subscription based site, kind of like what Eli did for S.QU.I.R.T that offered you something in the range of 5000 targeted blog backlinks for a monthly subscription of $30 per month, 7000 for $60 a month, or 10,000 for $100 per month would you buy it?

The trick with it is they are targeted, PR1+, maybe even PR3+ blog links for any site you want, including any anchor text you want to go with it, these links WILL NOT be the usual spam links, by that I mean the comments left on the blogs will NOT look like "I like your blog" or "Your Blog Rocks", those types of comments never pass the filters and the moderators always delete them, no the comments that would be left will be targeted to the article at hand, so if the article was Marketing the comment would be targeted to Marketing, an example might be "I like the idea behind article marketing but never had the time in the past to try it out, after reading this I must say I'm inspired to get to work, thanks and keep up the good work"

Ok probably not the best example of a comment but you get the point, the comments left will be targeted so the moderators won't delete them. The last added benefit would be that you will have access to a full list of links where the comment was left, plus the PR of that page, I almost forgot that since we have no control over other blogs the comments very well might be deleted but if they do not appear on that site inside of 20 to 30 days then you will be re-credited those links, so its kind of like a guarantee that you get what you pay for.

So my final question to you is would you pay (in the RANGE) of 5000 backlinks for a monthly subscription of $30 per month, 7000 for $60, or 10,000 for $100 per month.

A simple YES or NO will do, I should make this a poll but can't find the poll button so fuck it, finally if your interested then just treat this as a little teaser thread to whats to come in the next couple of weeks but don't bother asking me anymore specifics about when it will be available, or what is behind it all, I'm not at liberty to say yet.

 

[CorrectAD]

yes.

 

[engaged]

i will pay $0 to beta test it

 

[Aequitas]

I forgot to add that if there is enough Wicked Fire demand for it then it will be made a Wicked Fire EXCLUSIVE, another words ONLY WICKED FIRE members will be able to obtain a subscription.

engaged,

Sorry beta testing is closed to a few select people, if you want to know who will be the first ones using the tool, then those are the ones who have previously bought SplogPress from me, they will get 10,000 FREE backlinks (Another words a 1 month FULL SUBSCRIPTION free), but don't think you can just ask me to buy SplogPress now for a discount of $50 bucks on the tool, it just won't happen.

 

[DomainRealty]

Yes.

Jason

(by the way,Aequitas, I sent you a PM )

 

[hmc316]

why not

 

[cyberkiller]

I'd rather buy the comment spammer your writing, or if these are just a huge network of blogs running your slogpress plugin, i'd like the script that makes them all.

Would definitely need to see examples.

 

[gdubs12345]

id try it out

 

[Aequitas]

I'd rather buy the comment spammer your writing, or if these are just a huge network of blogs running your slogpress plugin, i'd like the script that makes them all.

Would definitely need to see examples.

Very good points you brought up about it and even though I said I don't want to get into specifics just yet well fuck it a little more won't kill me, the internet is a big place and that is what I'm capitalizing on.

First off its not a huge network I'm running with my SplogPress plug-in, it actually has nothing to do with my SplogPress plug-in, but I know that examples and proof is the only way to go with this.

The first people to rate this thing as I've said will be the few who were the original buyers of my SplogPress tool, those people can feel lucky and I'll be encouraging them to rate it based upon their 100% honest opinion.

All also mention that you WILL NOT get two links on the same blog from this, all links will be from different blogs, you'll also recieve live reports on where all your comments are, as well as what the PR of that page is, plus previous history reports, even how well targeted it is to the keyword your providing the tool.

Now the people who use it first can be the ones to come over and rate it, after that I MIGHT, and its a super big MIGHT allow some more people in on it for free, just so they can come back here and rate it. I'm actually working on a contest for this type of thing right now that I'll be making public on Wicked Fire as soon as its all finished, so that will be one of the ways I can get more ratings on it and a way that some of the Wicked Fire group and get in on it to test it out.

Some might be asking how I'm doing this, how can it be done, well to put it in simple terms last time I checked earlier today I'm indexing the web at about 20,000 links per hour, still pretty slow, but its not done yet. (It runs 24/7 by the way) I should also mention I'm not indexing the whole web, even though that would be fun I'm only indexing comment available blogs, when I make the tool public I'll have an inventory of close to 1 million blogs that I can post too, I've even taken it a step further to include a new type of targeting system in the index process.

You might think I'm insane or just plain bullshitting with this but in time my plan is to have indexed 50 or so Million blogs, I doubt that will happen but around the 10 million I can post too would be a happy number for me. I aim very high in some of my goals, so high most people say it cannot be done, but those are the ones who just aren't trying hard enough.

 

[Apprentice]

Too expensive for me, i agree with engaged.
should give trial for those who are interested.

 

[Aequitas]

Too expensive for me, i agree with engaged.
should give trial for those who are interested.

Ohh the free trials will be most likely be available with the contest I'm thinking up for it so sometime next week I should be making the post about it but no solid gaurentee on it, I don't want to jump the development gun here with saying next week just in case something comes up.

 

[bloard]

I would gladly pay $30-$50 per month. However, I suggest you think about allowing easy addition of internal page links. What I mean is... while 10,000 links to my homepage is valuable, I would rather have 5,000 links to my homepage and 5 links to each of 1,000 of my internal pages. It isn't that hard to blast a single URL, but it's more difficult and time consuming to blast a bunch of internal pages.

Count me in on any early release. Especially if you need to see how it does with an aged domain in a competitive niche that already ranks to judge the boost. I also PM'd you about your splogpress.

 

[LazyHippy]

Sounds good... is ya plugin out now then? ..... (runs off to check ya blog!)

Combined with a little squirting this could be great!

 

[wesley]

I don't believe for a second that you can actually make "targeted" comments automatically (that won't get deleted).

Will they all follow the format of: "I like the idea of __ but never had the time in the past blabla"? That won't work for alot of alot of posts and people will see through it.

Also, users of your tool that are serving the same niche will most likely be put on the same blog, will they have the same comment structure?

Furthermore, wordpress uses aksimet. If they see 10,000 comments from the same IP that will probably get you blacklisted, and probably the same with using (public) proxies as well. (I ofcourse don't know if they do this extensive testing, that is what your beta should tell you)

Also, do you put the comment on only 1 page of a blog? Putting it on multiple posts will most certainly get you detected.

One thing that you could do is do a followup check a week later and check to see which blogs have deleted the comments and which haven't. After you have enough data on a blog (at least 10 comments) you could remove the blogs from your list which have deleted all of the comments so as to save some processing time.

Anyway, thanks for further polluting the web with spam.

 

[Aequitas]

I would gladly pay $30-$50 per month. However, I suggest you think about allowing easy addition of internal page links. What I mean is... while 10,000 links to my homepage is valuable, I would rather have 5,000 links to my homepage and 5 links to each of 1,000 of my internal pages. It isn't that hard to blast a single URL, but it's more difficult and time consuming to blast a bunch of internal pages.

Count me in on any early release. Especially if you need to see how it does with an aged domain in a competitive niche that already ranks to judge the boost. I also PM'd you about your splogpress.

Don't worry, you will have full ability to get the links to any page you want with any backlink you want, so if you've got 10,000 backlink membership, then you could say I want 2K here with this anchor text, 1K on this page with this anchor text...........and so on.

I don't believe for a second that you can actually make "targeted" comments automatically (that won't get deleted).

Will they all follow the format of: "I like the idea of __ but never had the time in the past blabla"? That won't work for alot of alot of posts and people will see through it.

First off thank you for presenting some excellent questions about it, all this was going to be addressed at launch time but I'll get into it a little bit right now.

The answer to the format is a big fat HELL NO that would just be dumb, the comments left will be in several hundred different formats, each being monitored closely and more being added everyday, even working on a little AI thing for identifying important lines in the post. Basically I as a blogger understand what a fake comment looks like and I'm working on some very important ways around it.

Also, users of your tool that are serving the same niche will most likely be put on the same blog, will they have the same comment structure?

Furthermore, wordpress uses aksimet. If they see 10,000 comments from the same IP that will probably get you blacklisted, and probably the same with using (public) proxies as well. (I ofcourse don't know if they do this extensive testing, that is what your beta should tell you)

There will be hundreds of different comment structures, eventually even a hundred thousand different comments that can be left, now there is a slight chance that two people from the same niche will have a comment on the same blog but its VERY unlikely that they will have a comment on the same blog post. This is a little part that we are still working on but ecentially we will have so many blogs in our database that we can post two, that no two comments will have to be left on the same blog post.

Also, do you put the comment on only 1 page of a blog? Putting it on multiple posts will most certainly get you detected.

One thing that you could do is do a followup check a week later and check to see which blogs have deleted the comments and which haven't. After you have enough data on a blog (at least 10 comments) you could remove the blogs from your list which have deleted all of the comments so as to save some processing time.

Anyway, thanks for further polluting the web with spam.

Your smart, the first two days of this project brought up the question of doing followup checks on your comments to insure they are there and if they are not there then the user gets re-credited that link, so only when your comments stick after a 20 day mark will that link be no longer available for re-credidation, but that may fluctuate a little bit, the final numbers are something that are still being talked about.

I really don't like to call it spam but since its an advanced form of spam well its still spam haha, but a spam that is un-detectable, ok as for the whole IP issue with blogs and leaving the comments, I wont get into it a lot right here but there are several ways we will be masking it and changing it around to have it appear unique.


I also just want to re-establish something I said yesterday, it was kind of late so I made a bit of a mistake, I already told everyone I'm indexing blogs at an outstanding rate, I'm indexing them in a cleaner method then Google or someone would index them, hence I'm pretty sure I can do it faster then most, basically put we only index under 1KB of information at first as where places like Google will index over 100KB at first. The keywords here being AT FIRST, we still go back for a deeper index later on.

Anyway the mistake I made was saying our goal was to index about 50 million blogs, that is kind of wrong since Technorati only has like 53, well probably 60 million blogs indexed, and we've got to eliminate a few we cannot leave comments or shit on.

What I actually meant by that is we want to have indexed about 50 million blog POSTS each targeted to a certain niche, so that any and every niche will be fully available for you, but as I've said at the time of launch we should have an index of about 1 million in as many niche's as possible which means you won't be having any keywords not finding a blog.

 

[Jon]

I'm going to have to agree with Wesley on this one for a change.

I'm pretty skeptical of a service like this. Mind you, I don't disagree with comment spam, so don't think I'm getting all ethical on your ass, I just think that it's kind of unrealistic.

First off, are all of the IBL's going to ONE domain, or can you spread it out to however many different ones you want? I ask this because if a WH is buying into the service, and has spent time building up links, and suddenly they get a rush of even 5,000 links to their site, just from comments on blogs (which aksimet will blacklist fairly quickly) when for months before they were getting maybe 10 or 20 links a month. This WILL trigger something at Google and other engines. It may not effect their pagerank update, but inside Google's algo there is a trust ranking that they don't make public, and I'd be a lot more concerned over fucking that up with a quick and greedy service. Trusted sites can beat the shit out of high PR sites anyday, and are able to rank for almost any keyword. For example, the gold rush for .edu domains in the BH community. No one ever expected .edu domains to be used for pharma keywords, but because the domains are so high up on the trusted scale, they rank really well and really quickly for keywords completely unrelated to anything that university is involved with.

Second, you should not be advertising your service as a targeted niche links or safe link service. I hate to be so brutal with ya, but you seem like one of the many WH's out there that are misinformed about IBL's and comment spam. This is comment spam, plain and simple. Don't pretend it isn't. You MUST disclose this with the potential customers, so that they are aware of the risks before they buy and try it. I really think that if you sell this as a quick fix for getting links, you're going to end up with a shit ton of unhappy clients who come back at you demanding to get their WH sites unbanned.

Overall, pricing is pretty cheap, I think if you're going to market it to BH'ers and people willing to take the risk, then so be it, but you may want to charge more and limit the amount of people so they it doesn't become whored out. You may also want to charge by credits instead of flat monthly fees, so people can purchase more credits when they need it. You will also eventually run out of blogs to hit up, even after you've been flagged for spam.

I wouldn't run this as a service until I've done it on my own sites 100 times and over a longer period of time so to make sure it works the way you want to advertise it as, and I also wouldn't try to trick people into thinking it's a GREAT new solution, because it's not. All it is, is a BH link spam commenter for blogs, where instead of paying $300 for the script, you are doing the work for them and charging for the man hours (if it's not an AI generated commentor).

 

[LazyHippy]

I think you need to have a look at your pricing - $30 for 5000 sounds good, but why would anyone then pay $100 for 10000 - why not just open 2 accounts for $60/month? Or is you are selling them as packs - there's no incentive to buy a larger pack if it costs more. (Or have I missed something?)

Generally it sounds good though man, you can count me in.

 

[Jon]

I have my doubts about this.. seems like a good idea on paper.

All it sounds like is you're paying for someone else to do the work for you with a comment spammer that would cost the same or less, but if you did it yourself, it would be a one time fee for a few hundred bucks at most.

The upside to it is that if you made it more "manual" then it would be cheaper to do it through your service rather than outsourcing it to a service that charges $500/mo for an overseas dedicated employee.

 

[Aequitas]

First off, are all of the IBL's going to ONE domain, or can you spread it out to however many different ones you want?

The user will have FULL ability to generate however many backlinks they want for whatever domain name they want, for whatever anchor text they want, so even if they are limited to an overall # of 10,000 backlinks they can spread that out over any amount of domain names so they could generate 10 backlinks here or 3000 backlinks over here.

Second, you should not be advertising your service as a targeted niche links or safe link service. I hate to be so brutal with ya, but you seem like one of the many WH's out there that are misinformed about IBL's and comment spam. This is comment spam, plain and simple. Don't pretend it isn't. You MUST disclose this with the potential customers, so that they are aware of the risks before they buy and try it. I really think that if you sell this as a quick fix for getting links, you're going to end up with a shit ton of unhappy clients who come back at you demanding to get their WH sites unbanned.

Dont get me wrong that is the very last thing I would want is un-happy customers and I know exactly what you mean, these issues will be addressed before its made public but since we are leaving an amount of control with the end user they could get greedy and say I want all 10,000 backlinks to blog A all at once, which very well might get them banned. We will have guidlines that the users can read and to think about before making that type of decition but in the end it will be up to them to take the risk or not but plain and simple they will be warned about any potential side effects.

Overall, pricing is pretty cheap, I think if you're going to market it to BH'ers and people willing to take the risk, then so be it, but you may want to charge more and limit the amount of people so they it doesn't become whored out. You may also want to charge by credits instead of flat monthly fees, so people can purchase more credits when they need it. You will also eventually run out of blogs to hit up, even after you've been flagged for spam.

The credit system might be something to look into, and yes from day one we've talked about limiting the amount of subscribers and we won't be allowing everyone at once, we want to monitor our servers speed and see how well it holds up with a certain amount of users, then we will add more in intervals.

I wouldn't run this as a service until I've done it on my own sites 100 times and over a longer period of time so to make sure it works the way you want to advertise it as, and I also wouldn't try to trick people into thinking it's a GREAT new solution, because it's not. All it is, is a BH link spam commenter for blogs, where instead of paying $300 for the script, you are doing the work for them and charging for the man hours (if it's not an AI generated commentor).

The service will be tested out on my own blogs vigerously before I even allow beta testers in on it, that is something I've always felt is a must, as for tricking people into thinking its a great service, well I try and be as honest as possible and let them decide after that and as the AI generated commentor is concerned, its something were implimenting but not on a big scale, more like the FIFO algorithm but with sight twists.

Also as the more people use this tool, the tool its-self will become smarter based upon the comments left on certain blogs, how well those comments stick on those blogs, and so forth.


I know some of you reading this are thinking I'm just saying these things to make it look good but the honest truth to the matter is that we have sat down and thought this thing through for a long time, its not something that I just came up with late last night, this is something I've wanted to do for over a year now and its been worked on for a few months, it was my idea, and I started working on it myself at first but eventually seen how large it is and teamed up with others to get it done.

 

[Aequitas]

I think you need to have a look at your pricing - $30 for 5000 sounds good, but why would anyone then pay $100 for 10000 - why not just open 2 accounts for $60/month? Or is you are selling them as packs - there's no incentive to buy a larger pack if it costs more. (Or have I missed something?)

Generally it sounds good though man, you can count me in.

Those were estimates, just preliminary numbers which can and will change before launch time thats why I continually said "in the range of" final prices will be made up when we can fully determine how many links per month we want to give out per user.

As jon said even though we can have 50 million blog posts to post comments on eventually we'll run out, hence certain limitations must be implimented to insure the tool works for a long time down the road.