How To Use Dropped Domains To Rank Your Money Site #1 On SERPs

[Kenilworth]

Don't get a dedi, get multiple VPS.

Make bloody damn sure your IPs aren't the same consecutive block...that's a footprint the size of a dinosaur. Buy IPs from as many sources as you can, and randomize as much as you can, with linking as nonsensical (which apparently means natural to Google these days...)

Unless you're the kind of person who sweats on Panda updates, you don't really need 1 IP per domain.

Something I think is terribly risky is buying a domain with PR, transferring to new host, and expecting PR to remain. I've seen people spend fortunes only to have the domain either removed from index or at PR0. SO many fresh domains, or old domains that have been unused are around, I never liked buying dropped (but I never used them really and I know people have had success).

Don't ever think PR3-5 links won't go away. Too many PR3-5 sites will be shot in the face for having above 25% unqiue data, it's only a matter of time (35% uniqueness still passes, for now, but come on...you should be looking to develop or do actual marketing, not playing this game of numbers)

$18k? you can set up an enterprise...but you're looking for links? Think bigger.

 

[Izaya]

Been looking for some good seo hosting, most seems overpriced and really shitty. What do you guys think of getting reseller hosting with multiple regions, then hosting sites in all the different regions. C Class and IP would be different right? Am interested in what you guys with 50+ sites are doing, you using multiple shared hosts/seo hosts/ reseller etc? Also nano do you plan to manually manage all the sites or use something like Xmarkpro

 

[jwm]

Something I think is terribly risky is buying a domain with PR, transferring to new host, and expecting PR to remain. I've seen people spend fortunes only to have the domain either removed from index or at PR0. SO many fresh domains, or old domains that have been unused are around, I never liked buying dropped (but I never used them really and I know people have had success).

If you don't use dropped domains how do you quickly and cost effectively build some authority* in the fresh reg domains that make up the blog/seo network? I would have thought it is going to be a slow process to have 50+ seo blogs/sites having some link weight when they all start as fresh/new registrations.

(*Say equivalent to a PR3/PR4 site - I am using PR here as a proxy for authority although I get they are not necessarily the same thing)

 

[Kenilworth]

I only target low competition, and there are plenty plenty plenty of sites that have such weak optimization and incorrect internal or external linking that if they have a .com, I get a .net and spank them for being dumb. Domain age is something I outrank all the time for a keyword or exact match, it isn't daunting to do at all. Only real doubts I have is if the backlinks are crazy AND the domain is old, because you know that it either built up steady...or it's so old that it can do pretty much whatever it wants.

Depending on what you mean by quick, you can easily easily easily go from reg to PR5 in 3 months (PR3 in a month) if you treat your website like it's something to be developed (you know..."online real estate").

With every new trick will come new algorithms to keep the effectiveness of those tricks down, so unless you're adapting at every update, the only thing that will remain is putting in the investment. You do see your business as an investment, right?

EDIT: Also, I really don't think a domain that moves registrars or host keeps PR anyway. Please correct me if I'm mistaken

EDIT2: Start slow, get funds, outsource. Why does it have to be YOU that builds 50 sites? Give clear instruction of what you want to contractors and have them waste their time, but make sure you don't leave content creation to them. I always make my own material, due to paranoia

 

[blogspotter]

Actually I am going to take back what I said originally.

Having looked into a bit more and asked some of the providers, it seems to vary between them. So SEOHosting.com let you have unlimited addon domains on each IP, but Aseohosting.com don't - they only allow one domain per IP.

I like the way you do it Blogspotter but can imagine that gets pretty expensive pretty quickly if you need 50+ shared accounts, not to mention the headache of finding them in the first place & then managing them all.

One advantage SEO Hosting companies seem to have is that you only need to access one cpanel to manage all the IPs

I added the account over several years. And now I pay 250 bucks a month to someone to manage it full time. H never runs out of work.
WP and plugin Updates, new domains etc.

 

[nanovation]

One advantage SEO Hosting companies seem to have is that you only need to access one cpanel to manage all the IPs

I couldn't agree more. Makes management incredibly easy.

nano do you plan to manually manage all the sites or use something like Xmarkpro

I had planned on manually managing these 50 sites for 2 reasons:

REASON #1. I only plan on having these sites be 1 page sites. I have core content (about 2000 words) I've already created and it spins to 95% unique each time. Because all the sites I buy will be in the same niche, the spun content should do the trick.

REASON #2. I didn't know a service like Xmarkpro existed! Now that I do, I'll keep it in mind in case the 1 page site model doesn't pan out and a constant flow of new content is needed. But really I’m just getting one page up with relevant content for my niche and linking to my sites in that niche. So, no new content should every really be needed.

I’ve had sites I created years ago that I haven’t updated in years and they still rank the same and perform just as well as they did when I launched them in 2007.

Unless you're the kind of person who sweats on Panda updates, you don't really need 1 IP per domain.

If the sites you were hosting weren’t already PR4 with 1,000 aged backlinks from over 700 different sites, including DMOZ, I’d agree with you. But I think with high-value assets like these, it makes sense to fork over the extra $4 a month for a dedicated IP address.

EDIT: Also, I really don't think a domain that moves registrars or host keeps PR anyway. Please correct me if I'm mistaken

I've moved domains from one register to another and moved hosting providers at the same time and lost none of my ranking or page rank. Maybe my experience was unique or the site had enough powerful links to it and the content stayed the same, that it didn’t matter. Or maybe my niche was small enough that I was it and there is no one else that was trying to outdo me.

EDIT2: Start slow, get funds, outsource. Why does it have to be YOU that builds 50 sites? Give clear instruction of what you want to contractors and have them waste their time, but make sure you don't leave content creation to them. I always make my own material, due to paranoia

You are 100% right Kenilworth. One of my weaknesses is trying to do it all by myself. Need to learn to let go more.

$18k? you can set up an enterprise...but you're looking for links? Think bigger.

I know what you mean. $18K sounds like a stupid amount of money to waste on links. That's why I'm floating the idea here to get the right feedback / pushback. But if the ROI is $80K a year...isn't $18K one-time and $3K yearly a reasonable expense?

 

[blogspotter]

I know what you mean. $18K sounds like a stupid amount of money to waste on links. That's why I'm floating the idea here to get the right feedback / pushback. But if the ROI is $80K a year...isn't $18K one-time and $3K yearly a reasonable expense?

18 K is not a big deal. Lots of people spend way more than that on just buying services on WF.
But your bulk of the monies is on Domain acquisition. I would rearrange my priorities though.. I have never gone all out on domains, but they are also very good as long as you can get domains in related niche.
I used to acquire church and other christian domains for a christian dating site. And damn them preachers do love to link.

Think about it. You can reuse this again and again. several niche.
I just won't use spun content on a dmoz listed, several old links domain

 

[nanovation]

Unagi, just sent you a PM

 

[Doc]

REASON #1. I only plan on having these sites be 1 page sites. I have core content (about 2000 words) I've already created and it spins to 95% unique each time. Because all the sites I buy will be in the same niche, the spun content should do the trick.
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Why wouldn't you build out inner pages? If for no other reason then to get more PR pages. Pr4 front page and have 30 PR3 internal pages. 30 pages of 500 word content x 5 bucks/page = the best money you ever spent. You now own 30 PR3 for 150 bucks

 

[Gilbert Lee23]

this is an extremely expensive strategy. but the time you spend all that money google will make an algo update to devalue your links and then your fucked.

 

[FlatLine]

EDIT: Also, I really don't think a domain that moves registrars or host keeps PR anyway. Please correct me if I'm mistaken

You are mistaken, I've bought plenty of dropped domains with PR and they've kept their PR afterwards. With the old content or with new content. As long as the backlinking is sound, you'll have no problems and it should keep it's PR. If the site gets it's PR from it's content and you can't pull the content over to your new hosting, you're screwed.

 

[nanovation]

I've been doing a lot of research on SEO Hosting companies and can't seem to get consensus on the question of SHARED versus DEDICATED IPs for our dropped domains.

Some of the hosting companies say that you MUST go with a dedicated IP address (on a different c-class of course) for each and every site and others say that a shared IP address will do just as well.

Perhaps the rule of thumb should be something along the lines of PR3+ domains (and our money sites) should be on a dedicated IP and anything below PR3 should be on a shared IP to keep costs down.

As a cost comparison, a shared IP will cost you $1 to $2 a month, while a dedicated IP will cost you $4 to $5 a month.

What do you guys think?

 

[pocketrockets]

I've been doing a lot of research on SEO Hosting companies and can't seem to get consensus on the question of SHARED versus DEDICATED IPs for our dropped domains.

Some of the hosting companies say that you MUST go with a dedicated IP address (on a different c-class of course) for each and every site and others say that a shared IP address will do just as well.

Perhaps the rule of thumb should be something along the lines of PR3+ domains (and our money sites) should be on a dedicated IP and anything below PR3 should be on a shared IP to keep costs down.

As a cost comparison, a shared IP will cost you $1 to $2 a month, while a dedicated IP will cost you $4 to $5 a month.

What do you guys think?

I'd stay away from any hosting company that specializes only in "SEO hosting". In my experience, they are overpriced and most of them have horrible uptime and customer service.

Get a mix of shared, VPS, reseller, dedicated accounts, etc over a handful of different, reliable hosting companies.

 

[nanovation]

Thanks for the feedback pocketrockets. I've heard many people say that the whole point of having an SEO hosting company is so that you can have all your IPs in one place for easy management. But really, once you get a site up, there's really not a need to "manage" the IP addresses. So, I'm starting to think more along the same lines. Spread it out among several reliable hosting companies.

 

[SEOLIX]

I'm researching on this subject - lucky I stumbled upon this. My plan is not to go for one hosting provider, but to use several of providers that allow the choice of multiple IPs by default (no extra purchasing). This is a huge cost saver IMO.

 

[Elena7856]

Yes but I can kill off my liabilities to Forbes at any point if algorithm changes render the strategy useless. You get footprinted and those IBLs won't be worth much anymore.

 

[afman]

You are mistaken, I've bought plenty of dropped domains with PR and they've kept their PR afterwards. With the old content or with new content. As long as the backlinking is sound, you'll have no problems and it should keep it's PR. If the site gets it's PR from it's content and you can't pull the content over to your new hosting, you're screwed.

FlatLine- How long have you had your oldest high-PR purchased domain? IE: Did it sustain the quarterly Google Page Rank updates? If so how many? I'm actually looking to buy some PR domains and use them to sell blogroll links as well as to throw juice at my other sites, but don't want to buy a domain and in June when the PR update hits, lose the PR.

Apart from examining the link profiles manually and running fake PR check, how would you do your due diligence on a domain?

On another note, I've noticed nobody else talking about the aspect of how changing a site has an effect on SEO. For example, part of how that site gained rank was probably links to inner pages. If you either remove those pages or change the site structure, this will eventually weed out all those efforts. So I would make sure that all your PR isn't going to a single subpage which you plan to remove. Changing owners has ZERO effect on PR. I've sold sites before, but I was selling the SITE not the domain, so this could be what you've experienced when seeing loss in PR due to buying a domain.

 

[Doc]

FlatLine- How long have you had your oldest high-PR purchased domain? IE: Did it sustain the quarterly Google Page Rank updates? If so how many? I'm actually looking to buy some PR domains and use them to sell blogroll links as well as to throw juice at my other sites, but don't want to buy a domain and in June when the PR update hits, lose the PR.

Apart from examining the link profiles manually and running fake PR check, how would you do your due diligence on a domain?

On another note, I've noticed nobody else talking about the aspect of how changing a site has an effect on SEO. For example, part of how that site gained rank was probably links to inner pages. If you either remove those pages or change the site structure, this will eventually weed out all those efforts. So I would make sure that all your PR isn't going to a single subpage which you plan to remove. Changing owners has ZERO effect on PR. I've sold sites before, but I was selling the SITE not the domain, so this could be what you've experienced when seeing loss in PR due to buying a domain.

I had domains go up in PR and down in PR, even had a few go to PR0, law of averages. You do the BEST you can to look at the link profile and then you do the best you can to guess how many of those links will go away if the site changes and then you sack up and buy it.
Scrape GoDaddy, check PR, check for fake PR, Use majesticseo to check back links, Download back links and check for PR, I like to buy domains with with MozRank so I check that too. Set how much I want to pay and stick to it.

Keep juice from internal pages ... WP Plug in Link Juice Keeper

 

[Tacit]

I bought 5 PR3s in GoDaddy auctions about 9 months ago as a test, so far all but one has stayed as a PR3 (one dropped to PR2). One went to PR0 initially but bounced back pretty quickly. I think the secret is finding sites where the links would unlikely be reviewed by the linking sites, eg articles that are years old.

 

[swiftmoney]

Excellent feedback dogfighter. That's exactly the type of push back I was looking for.

Yes, $200 to $400 is expensive, but these are domains with real PR and LOTS of high quality back links. If you get a 1 page website up that displays similar content to what they last had, then you shouldn't lose many links.

As an example, if you buy a dropping domain in the flower niche and get a page up about flowers with a link to your money site promoting FTD or some other flower delivery service, it should retain the links a lot longer than the usual dropped domain ad page.

I've already tried this with one PR5 domain name that I dropped $550 on and it has retained all its links and is passing sensational ranking power. My site went from #65 to #8 for the keyword I used.

Design wise, I just use a $10 template that is perfect for my niche.

The benefit of doing it this way though is that it's cheaper than renting links. Of that $18,025, $15K is up front domain name purchase costs (50 domain names x an average price of $300 at auction). The remaining $3025 is yearly maintenance cost.

Instead of spending $9K every year on one Forbes link, you can get 50 PR3 to PR5 links that never go away.

If we look at that over a 10 year period, 10 years of 1 forbes link = $90,000. Instead of $15,000 for the 50 PR3-5 domains + $3025 x10 years = $45,025. Thus, this strategy would produce a 50% savings over 1 forbes link.

Now imagine you are promoting 5 different sites in that niche. You can now rank your flower delivery review site, your flower seed site, your flower growing site, etc. Now instead of having to get 5 links on Forbes.com for $9K each, you've got your bases covered with these 50 that will never go away.

Now does it start to sound better?

With the sounds of it you already tried this previously and you are going to do this again regardless of opinion. Why did you bother starting this thread again??