I lost and losing thousands but i am still trying :)

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I lost and losing thousands but i am still trying :)

Well PPC has really cost me alot of money, i lost thousands and still am but i am not giving up, lets hope one of these days i will actually get a niche that brings in profit than loss, lol. Its like i am actually used to bringing in loss that it doesnt matter anymore. I know it sounds like shit, but...

I am glad i have other source of income to support this, or else i wouldve left the scene long time ago.

I am trying to make profits in this affiliate marketing as its long term, the other things i do to make money online are not long term that why i am trying and trying to build something.

Maybe a few advise from you guys will help me go to the right niche, setup campaigns properly, and actually look at bringing in good profits.

Thanks guys.
 


If you're not being retarded, stick with it. I lost about $1500 before figuring out what works well, and that was with pretty sophisticated tools/analysis (by my personal standards + what I can tell else is out there). If you're just throwing $ blindly hoping it'll work, that's another story.

Easiest way to start is probably just to imitate someone else -- if peeps are running the same type of ads + landing pages for a while, it's probably profitable. Make a similar one, it's a quick way to get started.
 
Well tell us a little about your attempts man. You doing physical products or rebills? I can't tell much because I don't really know anything about your situation but here are a few general pointers:
1. Use wordpress for your landing pages. Even if you have an ego and you're a web designer, it works wonders and with a few good plug-ins, will expedite you by 50 times.
2. Never underestimate the pre-sell power of a story. People love love loove stories, a simple review lander won't go far without one.
3. I assume you've read ImagesAndWords's sticky post about relevant ads. If you haven't I dont know what you're doing spending thousands online on ppc in the first place.
4. Talk to your AM, don't be scared to ask for pointers/help and let him know that you're new.
 
Well i am basically doing CPA offers. Promoting them on PPC. Like some of the hot ones right now weight loss, hair loss, etc. I create simple wordpress landing pages aswell.

But as of now i haven't found anything that i can say works well and put more money into it.

Thanks alot for the advise.
 
How much time and effort are putting in researching new keywords? Are you putting in any time analyzing your competitors? How much time are putting in talking to your AM, asking him/her about offers doing good with PPC in your niche or in general? Are you split testing your ads and landing pages? Are you tracking your keywords? If yes, then are you getting rid of your bad keywords and scaling up your good keywords? How are you setting up on your keywords and agroups? Are you bidding really high?

There are lots of variables when it comes to losing money with PPC. Above are just some of the things you need to do correctly. I find the #1 factor in losing money with PPC advertising is not tracking, which includes, tracking your keywords, ads and even landing pages. You need to gather data about your keywords, ads and landing pages and tweak your campaign accordingly.

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Well i am basically doing CPA offers. Promoting them on PPC. Like some of the hot ones right now weight loss, hair loss, etc. I create simple wordpress landing pages aswell.

But as of now i haven't found anything that i can say works well and put more money into it.

Thanks alot for the advise.

I think as starters, you should try some other niches which are not so saturated. weight loss is a bad niche start with. Saturated, competitive, high bids, etc.
 
Great advice.

Yes, i track my keywords. And whenever i put a new campaign and keyword in i bid real high, like $5/click, and then go down to $0.25 a click or as low as i can. I just do that to get a good ranking and take the other guys off the competition.

Well i am not really sure what other niches to try as there are too many, but these hot ones tend to work these days but too much competition and research involved.

Maybe i can try Adcenter or some other PPC network? Are they worth it?

Facebook really sucked for me.
 
Don't start in one of the super saturated niches. Find something with a low-average amount of competition, get a few profitable campaigns in those verticals going until you get the hang of how things work, then move into the bigger niches.
 
I personally loved diving right into the deep end -- duking it out in what I believe is probably the most saturated niche at the moment, and definitely was super hot/competitive at the time. Sink or swim baby, trial by fire.
 
I personally loved diving right into the deep end -- duking it out in what I believe is probably the most saturated niche at the moment, and definitely was super hot/competitive at the time. Sink or swim baby, trial by fire.

How did that work out for you?
 
Easiest way to start is probably just to imitate someone else -- if peeps are running the same type of ads + landing pages for a while, it's probably profitable. Make a similar one, it's a quick way to get started.
Go to hell! :angryfire:
 
you guys are aware you can pause campaigns, right ?

you can tell pretty fast if they campaign is going to do well or not i mean really affter 200 clicks you should know if your on the right track. If not pause and make some changes

if you send 200 PPC (Highly targeted) clicks and your not coming close to breaking even hit the breaks,do some searches for some top niches and check out other people's Landing pages, try to get some idea on why there doing better. and apply it to your niche/landing page

::Note:: Someone paying for first place on a major niche key word (education, debt, health, diet) in ppc is probably doing well the cost for the click wouldn't be worth it otherwise


There is no need to bid extremely high when starting also dont bid two low start in the middle and then once you start converting drop it down little by little quality score can make up for you low bid but google likes when you start with somewhat of a high bid
 
Easiest way to start is probably just to imitate someone else -- if peeps are running the same type of ads + landing pages for a while, it's probably profitable. Make a similar one, it's a quick way to get started.
ok this is probably the best advice here. don't just go straight out ripping ads and landing pages but use them as a reference, you'll learn more. 10 people all making review pages? - well make a review page. all direct linking? well direct link. with little to no experience and a lack of funds this is really you're only way to go without going bust. leave the "thinking outside the box" stuff to later on when you've got a testing budget and some experience of what works. because i can tell you now what you think will work, won't.

it sounds to me you are using the edison approach ie just slinging things at the wall in the hope things are going to stick. it might be more prudent to adopt the approach used by tessler (edisons nemesis). now tessler, unlike edison, was famous for building his machines inside his head. in fact he went in to so much detail he would even factor in wear and tear on the parts before he even lifted a tool. the result? 9 times out of 10 when tessler built something it worked first time. now while there is merit in both approaches when applied to aff marketing if you are on a low budget i'd go with tessler, building 2000 campaigns before finding a winner could get expensive (and edison had a team behind him).

so how can you adopt some of what tessler did? well firstly google really is your friend here. from google you can fully research every aspect of your competitiors campaigns. now i'm not talking about some dumb inaccurate spy tools i mean actually do this stuff yourself. firstly print out all the ads for the biggest keywords you can find for your offer in order and analyze them. ask yourself why the top 3 are the top 3. what are they doing the others arent then find a similar but non cpa offer (clickbank works good for this) and cross reference the top ads for that. hopefully if you're not a total retard something will pop up here saying try this. (you're looking for something the cpa boys arent doing but that could make your ad stand out) write down 4 or 5 ideas for split testing.

next, landing pages. once again print out all the top landing pages for the highest traffic keyword you can find. imitation is key here. with them all printed out on the floor look for the best bits from each page, fire up photoshop (or call your designer) and mangle them all together (with a few variations for split testing). this works period.

finally think about the "scent trail". warning ad? warning headline on landing page! scam ad? scam headline etc. you want your prospect to seamlessly flow from ad to landing page to offer (with credit card in hand lol). remember they clicked your ad, they are interested - only you can fuck this up. your stats will show whether you got it right or not.

now the offers. once again you can let everyone else do most of the split testing here for you. look back at those landing pages you printed off earlier. what offers are being promoted and in what order (if multi-review pages). once you have an idea of 2 or 3 offers you think are going to work check what networks have them (livehttpheaders) and divise your split tests between offers and networks. add a little php magic to your landing pages to get them offers rotating and you're set.

as you can see with a bit of research you can pretty much plan out most of your campaigns before you even spend a single dollar. and this works on content network and banners too but i'll leave you to work out that out for yourself.

finally the other thing i think you are doing wrong is the high bidding. this in itself is an immensly powerful strategy and in my eyes anyway the best way to game google for quality score right now. the problem with the strategy is that you will lose a bundle of money if your campaign is not profitable. so test with low bids in a test account and when that bad boy is optimised fully then move it to a seperate account, jack up the bids and let her rip.

it sux to lose money but hopefully some of this thread will help get you on a winner a bit sooner. it only takes one campaign and you'll be looking back at all this laughing while recouping all that lost money. good luck
 
Fuck! $5/click and then dropping to $.25 after 1-3 clicks? That's just the start of your problem.
1. You are bidding way too high to begin with. A good rule of thumb I used to use as n00b when bidding on a new niche was - find out from network what the epc on the offer is, and then bid 30-40% of that. So if the offer epc is $4 - you would top your bid at about $1.5
2. Don't drop your bids that quickly. If you have to drop them, use the scheduling to reduce the % of spend.
3. Nothing wrong with going with a hot niche, its a good way to get started and learn quickly on what works.

Good Luck Bro
 
it might be more prudent to adopt the approach used by tessler (edisons nemesis).

You mean, Tesla?

Excellent post. The best post of the day, probably.

I'm sure geekcognito is busy converting your post into his latest eBook - just kidding ;)
 
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