Iframing section of affiliate link! WTF

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yes,i do notice that it disables the following page which could allow people to sign up... which is my next questioon... lol...

Is there a code i can put into the page that will open up the affiliate site again when they exit the page? that way they at lease are able to see it once they exit?
 


also.. it isnt innocent. Its just hard to get people to even type in a damn zipcode because the ads the advertisers use are SO spammy looking and awful.

As you said, its black hat because it doesnt let them see the next page which will allow them to fill out the surveys or whatever, but if i were to do an 'email submit' instead of a zip submit campaign, the advertiser would still get the persons emailand be able to spam the hell out of them like they do when people sign up for this shit anyway, am i right?

It would be cool if there were a code for when they navigate from the iframed page when hitting submit that it would just open the whole thing up in a new window.. probably no way to do this right?
 
On your end? No, the Submit button would have to do that by loading it on top of the current page with the iFrame in it, or open a whole new window which is all on their end..
 
So there is no script that i could put in the page on my end that would open up another URL once the user navigates away from the page by hitting submit?

I understand it is an iframe, but it would be nice if there were some way i could atlease have the appropriate link pop up for the affiliate on top of the page once they do the submit action
 
With some creative Javascript you may be able to make it so when the iframe changes URL or closes you can do something like an exit popup that will bring up the page that comes after the initial submit page. If that secondary page requires that variables be passed to it to load(zip code in this instance) there is no way that I know of that you could pass the zip code they enter into the new window that pops up...
 
well once they submit the zipcode, the cookie is already placed in their browseer with their zipcode, so it wouldnt matter if the secondary page came from the direct iframe or an exit page.

Can anyone point me out on a javascript that will do what i am attempting?
 
I don't believe the javascript will work because that would require access to the other page via innerhtml or something and since the iframed page is on another domain, the browser won't let the javascript do that. If it was not cross domain, yes, you could do that.

Maybe someone will prove me wrong, but...I have tried something very similair with no success.
 
So i ran a campaign last night, and an ad... a really awesome ad. with the iframed zipcode and submit area.

55 people went to the page, 19 putin their zip. I would think that all 55 would put their zip in because the ad kind of tells them that they have to.. SO i am thinking that there are some cookie problemswith certain browsers? Could this be an issue as discussed before?
 
LemonAden said:
I would think that all 55 would put their zip in because the ad kind of tells them that they have to..
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In my experience a conversion rate of 30-40% is very good, even when you warn people they have to enter a zip or email address. Some people are just curiosity clickers.

Of course, you could have a cookie problem. But if IE is not setting cookies (which I think you tested) that would mean you have a very high percentage of non-IE browsers and almost a 100% conversion rate. Unlikely.
 
well.. i would get a 100% conversion rate if the whole browser cookie bullshit thing was not a problem,

would you suggest that i look for another affiliate that has that privacy policy validation thing? that way the browser will accept the cookie? what are my options because i should be getting 100% ratio. Every person put in their zip and im not getting credit for all.

Any other ideas why?

Did the method Juicify discover work for anyone else?
 
Hey guys, I hate to shit on your parade here, but this isn't going to work. If you get any amount of volume to your iframed email/zip offers the advertiser will notice that your leads are converting at a whopping ZERO percent.

It's all about ROI and they won't be making any cash with just a zip, maybe a bit for the email. But when it comes down to it, they aren't going to be happy. They just phone up your aff marketing network and say shut this fucker down. Then, your AM has to go out and check your page, she is like WTF man you can't do that I dont see all the legal notices and shit blah blah blah.. and you're now being watched heavily by your AM for anything else you do - GAY.

Seems like you all have had some great progress in the last few days, this is excellent - I'd say go back to the drawing board here. Go out and get something like HTTPHeaders, see what information the form is submitting, and and try and "white label" it yourself. Obviously your aff cookie wont get dropped if you do this, so you'll either have to 0iframe it or pop it under. Still a little black hat, but you're much better off in the long run - this will allow the visitors to continue to the other offers if they want, getting you at least 1% or so conv rate for the advertisers.

Tob
 
tob said:
Hey guys, I hate to shit on your parade here, but this isn't going to work. If you get any amount of volume to your iframed email/zip offers the advertiser will notice that your leads are converting at a whopping ZERO percent.

It's all about ROI and they won't be making any cash with just a zip, maybe a bit for the email. But when it comes down to it, they aren't going to be happy. They just phone up your aff marketing network and say shut this fucker down. Then, your AM has to go out and check your page, she is like WTF man you can't do that I dont see all the legal notices and shit blah blah blah.. and you're now being watched heavily by your AM for anything else you do - GAY.

Seems like you all have had some great progress in the last few days, this is excellent - I'd say go back to the drawing board here. Go out and get something like HTTPHeaders, see what information the form is submitting, and and try and "white label" it yourself. Obviously your aff cookie wont get dropped if you do this, so you'll either have to 0iframe it or pop it under. Still a little black hat, but you're much better off in the long run - this will allow the visitors to continue to the other offers if they want, getting you at least 1% or so conv rate for the advertisers.

Tob
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Yeah...that's pretty much what I have been trying to say as well.
 
Good info. But i have NO idea what you are talking about below. If i can do it white label i will. All i have been trying to acheive in any of this is to design my own FIRST page without the visitor having to see the shitty advertisers original landing pages. If you can explain to me, in detail how to 'white label with a little black hat' this, it would be a great help.


tob said:
Go out and get something like HTTPHeaders, see what information the form is submitting, and and try and "white label" it yourself. Obviously your aff cookie wont get dropped if you do this, so you'll either have to 0iframe it or pop it under. Still a little black hat, but you're much better off in the long run - this will allow the visitors to continue to the other offers if they want, getting you at least 1% or so conv rate for the advertisers.

Tob
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ok, here we go... wait, first I should note that I've never tried this and that it would be very difficult to do.

Download this - liveHTTPHeaders - extension for firefox, once you have it installed you'll want to pull up your favorite zip/email offer page. Open liveHTTPHeaders and then submit a zip/email in the form.

Now the liveHTTPHeaders extension will spew out a shit load of information, you'll want to scroll back up and take a look at the POST request sent right after you submitted your email/zip.

There's going to quite a bit of information in this POST request so you'll have to do a little analyzing. Basically, you're making sure that the POST request hasn't sent anything encrypted back to the servers, because we can't do anything with that. If the POST request looks simple, like it's submitted a few static variables (e.g. campaign number, aff network id, email, zip, IP, etc...) then you can probably try to mimic it.

If you succeed and get nothing like FJDLS(FJDSKL4589340589043KLF:DS or other encrypted shit (like a key) sent then continue.

Go in and grab all the information for the from html tags from the initial zip/email offer page. Copy it to a test page. Then you're going to want to make sure that when you submit the form it doesn't call any javascript (besides normal email/zip validation). If it does, you'll have to pull that javascript and put it on your page too.. just experiment until it actually lets you submit to their "2nd page submit" area...

Let me know if this works, or if you have any questions - I'll give them a shot.

You're going to need hella fucking luck to get this to work, as it depends on lots of variables. It also depends on a bit of mad coder skillz, so again, good luck.

Tob
 
I posted a long ass fucking reply to this, but it had a link in it so I assume it's awaiting approval.

Tob
 
LemonAden said:
i should be getting 100% ratio. Every person put in their zip and im not getting credit for all.
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seriously dude, wtf are you talking about? multiple people have said you will NEVER get a 100% conversion ratio... EVER.

what is so confusing about this concept - a lot of people are curiosity clickers, some of the clickers never make it the page, some cookies get dropped, some people say 'hey that looks awesome i'll do it,' click on your ad and then shit their pants and have to run to the bathroom.

the way you keep saying everyone who clicks my ad WILL enter their zip code just makes you sound like an arrogant know-nothing whose inexperience and ignorance are holding them back from learning.

let me put it this way - i had a few similiar campaigns as the one you are running - picked zip submits and email submits that were non spammy looking, and wrote EXTREMELY targetted ads with EXTREMELY targetted keywords. sending right to the offer, and dropping like 1% of clicks in the shuffle, I still was only getting a conversion ratio of 43% or something. yes, maybe I wasn't getting credit for a few of the leads, but to say that your network is dropping over half of your leads makes you sound like an ass. especially if you really believe this and are remaining with a network that you are accussing of bending you over so badly.

jeesh
 
lucab said:
especially if you really believe this and are remaining with a network that you are accussing of bending you over so badly.
jeesh
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Well.. I am gay, but im a top, i dont take it up the ass, i give it.

You didnt have to be rude, i didnt mean i expectd 100%, what i meant was that i wanted to figure out a way to make sure that I WAS NOT doing something to cause not all of the clicks to register, not talking about my network fucking me up the ass.

and the reason i said i should be getting 100% ratio was because i had it tested by a few people, half worked, half didnt. i was asking for reasons about cookies and browsers and nothing more
 
LemonAden said:
i didnt mean i expectd 100%
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Okaaaay...

LemonAden said:
55 people went to the page, 19 putin their zip. I would think that all 55 would put their zip in because the ad kind of tells them that they have to..
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LemonAden said:
well.. i would get a 100% conversion rate if the whole browser cookie bullshit thing was not a problem,
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LemonAden said:
what are my options because i should be getting 100% ratio. Every person put in their zip and im not getting credit for all.
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This last one really made me LOL

LemonAden said:
Every person put in their zip and im not getting credit for all.
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Why don't you pull the dick out of your ass (or in your case, pull your dick out of your bf's ass) and LISTEN to what people are saying. Just admit when you were wrong. I have been wrong many times before, and own up to it and try and LEARN from it.

I called you on it, trying to explain that you weren't grasping the concept. Instead of accepting and admitting that you had been mistaken, you try and cover up your stupidity by lying about what you really meant.

Oh well... you have proven yourself to be shitbag and I certainly won't offer any more assistance.
 
lucab said:
Okaaaay...

Oh well... you have proven yourself to be shitbag and I certainly won't offer any more assistance.
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seems you are the one being the shitbag. i wasnt fighting with you. I didnt know i was wrong, or admit i was wrong because half the time when certain people are explaining things to me, i DO NOT know what they mean. Not everyone is as smart as you dude so calm the hell down. I ask people for help and maybe my way of describing what im attempting to describe sounds wrong but thats not what i intend. I dont think i am anything i am not. My Entire reason for that post was because i wanted to know if I WAS doing something wrong to cause the clicks not to register, NOT to insinuate that my ad was SO good that 100% of the people would click through.

Why do people have to look for ANY reason to cause a fucking fight. The point of these forums is for people to help eachother. Im not a fucking noob, i just happen to have a LOT to learn so i am VERY SORRY for being ignorant,just please no fighting, the gay comments, cool, the fuck yous cool, but dissing me when im trying to learn is rude.

also... when i am WRONG, i admit it, online, offline and in general. In this case, i was WRONG, what i was typing made no sense and i did not realize it until you pointed it out, im trying to learn too much at once.
 
fair enough, i just got annoyed because you are asking for info, but then you disagree or disregard a lot of the advice you were getting in this thread. and your posts above certainly came across as insisting that you feel a sense of entitlement that you should be converting 100% of the people who click your ad lol.

regardless, you are right, this forum is for learning and that is what is great about it.

gl
 
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