Indians vs Filipinos (software developers)

[shrutijen34]

Well, I'm an Indian (designer) myself. I've outsourced to Filipinos, Romanians and Indians as well. I gotta agree, You got to be lucky to find one good Indian developer who knows what hes doing.

I had this guy to do CSS for me. When I got the files, I validated and found 44 errors and some 120 warnings. I asked him what's this? This shit isn't valid. He said ' you didn't ask for valid CSS sir' But that doesn't really have anything to do with the culture or ethnicity here. It's just the better devs and designers either work in corporates or work for higher $$$.

When you go looking for dirt cheap ones ( I did ) this is what you get. Frustation. Doesn't matter what country they're from.

Having said that I've had pretty good experiences with Romanians. They seem to be a little pricey but get the job done, most times. ( yeah I said most times.)

At the end of the day, you only get what you pay for or you should be extremely lucky.

Actually yes. Iam an Indian myself but never trust them for bigger projects. The main reason or catch for you guys fallin in the trap is even though you pay less from your side (or maybe more), its always more for us as we get dollars ($1 = Rs.43). So once payment is sent excuses start coming along. Often i end up abusing them on freelancing sites. And often they realize they chose the wrong person xD.

Better go for europeans or russians if working on a large project. Expert indians are hard to get by as they pretty much work for MNCs or their own firms.

I vote for none. I don't care whether it's in India, Philippines, USA, Russia or Romania as long as he gets the Job done fast and Cheap! I say give the Guy try first then give him pressure.

Very true and the best probable option.

How do you know how much to pay your programmer for a software if you have no idea about programming yourself? Just what you think it will be worth for you in the future? What are the average hourly salaries of eastern europe programmers?

Again true. A normal way of payment is done on the basis of number of lines of code (which is just abrupt). So unless you know it you can't make a right decision

We have better English than them.

Yeah, I can see that from your statement. I suppose all you guys have smart and handsome engilash study.

 

[tomsmith2010]

I vote for Indians, I think they have deep knowledge in software field also they have high working mentality..

 

[safira218]

I will not recommend one. Hire a Filipino or Eastern European.

This doesn't mean Indians are bad Programmers. They are one of the best. At least there are a few hundred times the number of Good programmers in India than the closest competitors. Problem is that, India has grown, in the past decade, on the back of the IT outsourcing industry, and the industry is one of the largest employers today.

So anybody who can code a simple stored proc, or an update statement, will get him a very well respected job, so all the "good programmer" are already employed. It is not uncommon for a programmer with a couple of years of experience to have 3-4 job offers if he happens to look out. Keep an employee is the biggest challenge for a company and its managers today.

So what you see on elance and stuff the bottom rung of the programming hierarchy, so to speak. I won't hire them.

Microsoft, Amazon, Ebay, Google, Sun, Cisco, Oracle employs a lot of Indians..
Good Indian programmers. I heard that some of them started a few companies too..
But of course, you won't get to hire them.


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[thevoucherguy]

I agree with the opinion that indians who live in US/canada have a far different nature than those who live in India itself. But I see here some indians putting their country's name to shame.

Indians have a culture. That's something. I've seen a lot of indians committing frauds but never the big ones. They tend to do the extra work if you just add a couple of bucks to the payment. And lastly, generalizing on the basis of nations? Not a good idea.

 

[kusai]

From my experience, I have a employees in india working for some other projects. Here is how I deal with them .

Show them wallet & bullet, and hold them by the balls (hold their payment for upto 60 days) Then let them make the choice and finish the work, in my case they do it right "only" this way. If I let them loose even just a little bit they would guaranteed screw up.

 

[PhotoshopDesign]

Unfortunately here there is no choice for eastern Europeans but if I must vote i chose India even though there are obstacles in the communication but he's pretty clever

I disagree, i am a freelance graphic designer from the UK and i do not over charge, admittedly i may charge more than alot of indian designers but my prices are very competitive for what i provide.

To answer the question, neither. it depends on the designer... not where they are from.

 

[LastSamurai]

The Filipinos that have worked for me have been pretty incompetent. I mean, simple tasks like data entry takes hooooooooooooooouuuurrrrrrrrrssss to complete. And a LOT of times gets messed up anyway because of miscommunication.

I've found Indians to be a lot better and more proficient in English as well as understanding more. I've also worked with a few people from the Ukraine and Russia and they're probably the best that you can get out there.

 

[JannuBl22t]

I'd go with Ukrainian, mid-EU, Russian developers instead since they're not that much more expensive.

Mm.. that's not true. For example, I'm from eastern Europe and I have over 8 years of experience and under $1000 I wouldn't move a finger.

About Indians and Filipinos.. In my experience Indians provide better quality if you are angry boss or you say that if it's not done on time you will not get paid.

But this thread is funny as hell :stonedsmilie:

 

[zhenjie]

Indians just struggle with English and communications skills due to the way they are bought up and educated. Even the 'better' ones tend to have learnt through ROTE, hence all the 'Yes sir' 'Please sir'. Its a shame because so many of them have talent, but talent is nothing if you can not communicate with your clients. Had great experiences with Phillipinos but usually for data entry and less technical work. Now, like many others, I tend to find programmers on oDesk from Eastern bloc countries. Great english and technical skills and the fact they tend to work with a partner or small teams to get things done.

 

[kean2]

what is low cost - for how much do they take? is there an example here?

 

[darenet]

I come from Eastern Europe and I agree, Eastern European coders are probably the best, but not for the reason they're smarter or anything but:

Unlike Indian, who prob. consider you're ready to go and do freelancing as soon as you know how to type on the keyboard, there's a different culture in Eastern Europe, only the best of the best go and work online. There's some strange belief here that you can't make money freelancing if you're not on top of your area. So I would say that it's a cultural, not smart vs. dumb thing.

 

[lwelch45]

Well I have to say that who ever can deliver the best work is who will recieve my money. But Being a terrific coder my self I usually just do things my self, it saves me lots of money.

 

[kingdexer]

no offense to anyone, i personlly can't work/communicate with indians, you really do want either choke them or kill yourself at some point during the project

 

[fusion16]

I vote for romanians. If I had to choose between indians and filipinos i'd go for the indians . I worked with them and everything was fine..

 

[lordofseo]

i vote for Indians, but i really recommend Russians for programing

 

[Vcize]

Lots of recommendations for Russians, Romanians, and Easter Europeans in general.

Where are you guys hiring them from?

 

[-joe-]

For russians - try ciklum. Haven't used them myself, but met them at ad tech london, and talked on the phone with one of the heads there, and they seemed on their game.

 

[Lente]

Don't ever go with the Indians...

I had bad experience with them before

 

[wpdesire]

i am a filipino software developer and this is a good read actually. well, indians pretty much dominated the software development outsourcing field for some time now and not only until these past years than filipinos have proven that we also have "it"

about the reasoning of typhoon and heavy flood, it really is true. Last year, there was a super typhoon Ondoy that practically sank the whole metro manila that the water level rose so fast almost reaching our roofs that we had to fight and crawl for our lives just to reach the higher grounds. Good thing the typhoon was at its strongest during the daytime, not on night time.

anyway, i guess it really depends on the person you are hiring irregardless of being a filipino or indian.

on the side note, Philippines has just been beaten India for BPO outsourcing

 

[jetto]

To those Indians who are defending Indians here. YOU FAIL. Your argument that we can't generalize sucks. Yes, we can. Why do you think rates for Russian coders are around $25/hr and for Indian coders are around $5? No it's not because "there's more Indians in the world". It's because Indian quality SUCKS. The market has "generalized" the Indian service/product to where it belongs - the crap tier.

Indians can stick their "Sir, Sir" bullshit where the sun don't shine.